Thread: Please Join the letter Campaign - Amnesty should STOP MISANDRY

Good work.

Do you have an email address so that we can do a mass mailout?

And I take it we can alter the letter a little to 'individualise' it, as long as we remain polite and reasonable.

A good letter, but I'm not so sure too many folks want to download *.doc files from the internet. It might be better to write it up for folks so they can copy & paste it instead, and maybe direct them to an email address instead.

To
The Executive Director
Amnesty International USA
5 Penn Plaza
New York, NY 10001

From
Your address

Sub:- Request to stop Misandry

Hello Mr. Larry Cox

May I take this opportunity to get some clarification on Amnesty International’s global “Demand Dignity” Campaign? This is with regard to the report published here http://demanddignity.amnesty.org/campaigns-en/downloads/About_DemandDignity.pdf

The report spares a considerable amount of space to explain the problems of women and children, even their toilet facilities. I’ve no issues or concerns with that; my concern is that there is no whisper about the problems faced by men and boys! Does Amnesty International have a stated goal to support only those men who are army prisoners?



I would like to know the Views of Amnesty International

Here I’m listing out some of the issues that men face and want to know where Amnesty International stands. I will blog some of the sections in this document and will update it when I get response from Amnesty.

1) “When a woman dies her family is impoverished further – through loss of livelihood, unpaid work for the family, the care and education of children.”

This states that family is supported by women but not getting paid for that service. Does Amnesty International recognize the time energy and effort that men put in to a family to bring food, shelter, clothing and entertainment? If so, how much should men get paid for that service?

2) “Women have the right to determine when they become pregnant, but they are often denied access to contraception or to information that would allow them to control their fertility.”

Does Amnesty International recognize the right of a man to decide whether or not to become a parent?

3) Women have the right to the highest attainable standard of health, but they face economic, cultural and social obstacles in access to health care.

4) Women have the right to life, but they die in large numbers because of poverty, injustice and powerlessness – in their intimate relationships, families and communities.

Does Amnesty International recognize the above statements as a WOMEN’S ONLY problem?

5) They face institutional discrimination, which is then replicated on a domestic level. Women and girls may be forced by their families into early or forced marriages, once in these marriages they may be treated as indentured servants, denied adequate food, imprisoned in their homes and denied access to money.

Does Amnesty International recognize systemic discrimination of MEN which are then replicated on both domestic and social level? Men are socially side lined and denied marriage if they are not a CAPABLE PROVIDER. When married they are treated as FREE ATMs by their wives at domestic level and any sort of discomfort in this socially imposed duty will make him legally accountable and leads to arbitrary deprival of his livelihood and even jail.

Yours truly, Dated 01-11-2011

Ok no worries... i thought .doc is printer friendly.
Hardcopies will make two more people see the message.

I only got some labels, bumper sticker and a begging bowl from them; no contact email.
Anyway lets use these emails for now.
NY office - aimember@aiusa.org

Mid-Atlantic Office - aiusama@aiusa.org
Mid-West Office - aiusamw@aiusa.org
Northeast Office - aiusane@aiusa.org
Southern Office - aiusaso@aiusa.org
Western Office - aiusasf@aiusa.org

Yes, I will send a Letter and an e-mail.

dowry laws being grossly misusing by women. thousands of innocents being implicated with false cases like 498a, dp3/4 , dv act. please discuss with men GNO groups and chnage the law accordingly.

Most people do not know the origins of Amnesty International.

It was started by two Brits, members of the British Communist Party, and funded by ComIntern, the 'Communist Internationale'.

Its objective was to get communists out of Spanish jails after the Spanish Civil War. It ignored prisoners of other ideologies.

AI was virtually silent throughout the mass jailings in Russia. No noticable efforts were made by them to aid people in the Gulags. They are a 'left' partisan organisation who support the destruction of Western society.

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All 16 parts of the documentary are lined up in my blog
New World Order for Global enslavement « Stand up for your rights

I will definitely send it.

Whatever I can do to help.

prassoon,
Sure, I'll send the letter off, no worries at all, but you must realise this.
Amnesty International has a few feminists amongst it's ranks, AI only cares about men when it suits them and when it will get them some news coverage.
I hate to pour cold water on your good idea, but I'm only stating things as I see them.
Best of luck, mate.

Mike-> I know that very well. Like every organization they will also care about "REPUTATION". 5 mails will not make any significant difference but it is significant that we do it. Silence is betrayal!!!!

Quote from Anil

dowry laws being grossly misusing by women. thousands of innocents being implicated with false cases like 498a, dp3/4 , dv act. please discuss with men GNO groups and chnage the law accordingly.

Biased laws are the output of misandry. We just need less than 500 people from 10 countries who have a $25 monthly budget and 2hrs a week to spare. The question is will men unite or keep playing politics for publicity??

Quote from Percy

Most people do not know the origins of Amnesty International.

It was started by two Brits, members of the British Communist Party, and funded by ComIntern, the 'Communist Internationale'.

Its objective was to get communists out of Spanish jails after the Spanish Civil War. It ignored prisoners of other ideologies.

AI was virtually silent throughout the mass jailings in Russia. No noticable efforts were made by them to aid people in the Gulags. They are a 'left' partisan organisation who support the destruction of Western society.

Very few things are what they seem to be.

5) [Women] face institutional discrimination, which is then replicated on a domestic level. Women and girls may be forced by their families into early or forced marriages, once in these marriages they may be treated as indentured servants, denied adequate food, imprisoned in their homes and denied access to money.

This is another of those areas that is neither clear-cut nor necessarily oppressive only to women.

Not clear-cut
Different societies behave differently, and if those behaviours sustain, they are a result of other factors in the society. Changing one facet without first understanding the change it brings overall can be very dangerous.

Societies (note that I'm not talking about governments, here) that have arranged marriages are among the most stable and long-lasting in the world. By contrast, those where anything goes and young people are left to hook up and bear children with whomever they want are among the most chaotic and disturbed societies, with murder, sexual violence, orphaned and abandoned children etc. very high. This is not necessarily cause and effect but is a significant fact before dismissing the concept of arranged marriage as being bad for society.

The ratio of successful relationships in a society with marriages arranged by mature people who have "been there, done that" is not shown to be less than the ratio of successful relationships in a society with anarchistic relationships.

Nor necessarily oppressive only to women
I will demonstrate by changing the quoted statement to another viewpoint:

Men face institutional discrimination, which is then replicated on a domestic level. Men and boys may be forced by their families into early or forced marriages, once in these marriages they may be treated as wage slaves, expected to be the sole provider of food, shelter and clothing, enslaved to working away from the home and children, and forced to spend the majority of their income on the family they were made to have, and made legally responsible for the actions of everyone in the household even if they were not present at the time.

While there are undoubtedly some cases of abuse in both arranged and anarchistic relationships, a serious study of the ratio of contentment to the ratio of discontentment should be undertaken before criticising either style too strongly.

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Quote from Percy

Most people do not know the origins of Amnesty International.

It was started by two Brits, members of the British Communist Party, and funded by ComIntern, the 'Communist Internationale'.

Its objective was to get communists out of Spanish jails after the Spanish Civil War. It ignored prisoners of other ideologies.

AI was virtually silent throughout the mass jailings in Russia. No noticable efforts were made by them to aid people in the Gulags. They are a 'left' partisan organisation who support the destruction of Western society.

It seems that you, also, might be unaware of the origins of Amnesty International.

The Spanish Civil War started in 1936 and ended in 1939. I'm not sure what you mean about 'mass jailings' but maybe you mean Stalin's reign of terror: Stalin died in 1953.

Amnesty International was founded in 1961 by men born in 1920 and 1921. One man was a Quaker and conscientous objector, which is probably where the allegations he was a communist come from; the other was a war hero who left AI after he alleged infiltration by British Intelligence (which at the time had a high element of infiltration by the USSR).

1) “When a woman dies her family is impoverished further – through loss of livelihood, unpaid work for the family, the care and education of children.”

This states that family is supported by women but not getting paid for that service. Does Amnesty International recognize the time energy and effort that men put in to a family to bring food, shelter, clothing and entertainment? If so, how much should men get paid for that service?

The only place I can find this statement by AI is under the clear heading of Maternal Mortality. It seems to me to be entirely appropriate to mention the effect of maternal mortality when discussing the subject. It does not state "that family is supported by women but not getting paid for that service" even though that might be a reasonable implication. That it says nothing of how much a man contributes because that would be inappropriate under the subject of maternal mortality.

Although the questions of "Does Amnesty International recognize the time energy and effort that men put in to a family to bring food, shelter, clothing and entertainment?" and "If so, how much should men get paid for that service?" are valid, basing them on a statement that can't easily or sensibly be refuted and yet is taken out of context will do no benefit to those wanting to ensure a fair world for men.

2) “Women have the right to determine when they become pregnant, but they are often denied access to contraception or to information that would allow them to control their fertility.”

Does Amnesty International recognize the right of a man to decide whether or not to become a parent?

The only places I can find this statement by AI is under the clear heading of Maternal Mortality and on a page specific to the topic. Personally, I don't recognise the availability to any technology as a global human right. For an organisation that does, it seems appropriate to mention the denial of access or information about the technology in a campaign about it. Again, personally, I am happy to support the idea of extending contraception around the world - we already have enough problems caused by global over-population.

The question is a good one. If it is a right for women, it should also be a right for men. However, basing the question off a quote taken out of context is not helpful in getting that point across.

3) Women have the right to the highest attainable standard of health, but they face economic, cultural and social obstacles in access to health care.

4) Women have the right to life, but they die in large numbers because of poverty, injustice and powerlessness – in their intimate relationships, families and communities.

Does Amnesty International recognize the above statements as a WOMEN’S ONLY problem?

The only place I can find these statement by AI is under the clear heading of Maternal Mortality.

I consider point 3 to be a little silly. There always has been, and always will be, a limit to the economy available for health care. Even it 100% of gross domestic output from all countries were put into the matter, there would STILL be economic shortcomings to full health and long life for all. The economic reality will be addressed differently in different societies, each of which will allocate the resources they put into the matter in a different way, effectively creating cultural and social obstacles in access to health care for us all.

Point 4 is a problem and in the context of specifically addressing maternal mortality is a fair point. In that context, it is also a fair point to be made without talking about the position for men.

Once again, the question posed might be reasonable but quoting the passages and asking the question in an accusatory manner is not reasonable.

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Looking over some of Amnesty International's campaigns and having reviewed the reports of successes, it seems to me that it is an organisation that works for families and people regardless of gender. There are a couple of female-centric campaigns; most of the people they rescue from political imprisonment etc. happen to be male. Highlighting the plight of a single gender in the very small number of campaigns limited to a single gender seems entirely appropriate and if they stretch a point here or there .. hey, they're trying to get support, just as people here sometimes might stretch a point.

I think there are many organisations which need urgent and immediate attention for their pro-female (and implicit anti-male) bias: United Nations and the European Community come to mind. While vigilance on all organisations is worthwhile, I would need to see much better proof of misandry to believe that AI is much of a problem and in the meantime I withdraw my support on this campaign.