MRA you are misogynists and criminals, you are Anders Behring Breivik

**Fabrizio Napoleoni** · 13th-May-2012

Maybe someon have missed this masterpiece by David Futrelle, that considers MRA and MRM communities ans misogynist gatherings, and creates a link between us and Anders Behring Breivik criminal.

Someone should tell him that the only criminal plan so far put in place is feminism.

Echoes of Online Misogyny in Norway Murderer’s Manifesto : Ms. Magazine Blog

Echoes of Online Misogyny in Norway Murderer’s Manifesto

July 28, 2011 by David Futrelle · 4 Comments

We all know that Norwegian terrorist Anders Behring Breivik, who killed dozens of people in attacks last Friday, was motivated by a toxic mélange of far-right ideology largely revolving around his intense hatred of Islam. The 1,500-page “manifesto” he posted to the Internet–a grab-bag of his own writing and material cut and pasted from assorted right-wing sites–crackles with denunciations of Muslims, Marxists and the assorted other bogeymen that haunt far-right-wing dreams.

But what has yet to be fully appreciated is the degree to which he was also motivated by a deep hatred of women.
I’ve spent much of the past year seeking out and exposing (and often simply mocking) online misogyny for my blog. I find much of it in what some have taken to calling the “manosphere”–a loose collection of interlinked sites devoted to Men’s Rights Activism, pickup artistry and a strange separatist movement of sorts called Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW). The overwhelming majority of these sites–the most popular of which include The Spearhead, A Voice for Men, In Mala Fide and MGTOWforums.com (to which I won’t be providing direct links, but they’re easy enough to find, if you’re so inclined)–are steeped in misogyny, and in some cases racism. I’ve become very familiar with their standard misogynist “arguments” and rhetorical tropes.
After a blog reader alerted me to the misogyny in Breivik’s manifesto, I read through those sections of the sprawling work that dealt specifically with feminism. I was struck again and again by how utterly familiar it all sounded. Much of it could have been taken word-for-word from the manosphere blogs I read every day. (Not to mention from some of the misogynist trolls who regularly comment on my site.) The ideology is the same, the language is the same, even the specific obsessions are the same–from no-fault divorce to the evils of Sex and the City.
Here’s one typical passage, which appears to have been written by Breivik himself:

It’s the destructive and suicidal Sex and the City lifestyle (modern feminism, sexual revolution) [that] we are taught to revere as the truth. In that setting, men are not men anymore, but metrosexual and emotional beings that are there to serve the purpose as a never-criticizing soul mate to the new age feminist woman goddess.

Breivik goes on to rant about STDs and no-fault divorce, before moving on to another favorite obsession of manosphere misogynists, the supposed sexual “capital” of manipulative women:

Females have a significantly higher proportion of erotic capital than males due to biological differences (men have significantly more prevalent sexual urges than females and are thus easily manipulated). The female manipulation of males has been institutionalized during the last decades and is a partial cause of the feminization of men in Europe. This highly underestimated factor has contributed to the creation and rise of the matriarchal systems which are now dominating Western European countries.

Obsessed with the purported danger that Islam will out-breed the West, Breivik offers an assortment of creepy solutions to increase the fertility of Western whites. (It’s not altogether clear to me if these are all his own views, but they certainly are consistent with what he says elsewhere in the manifesto.) After suggesting limiting contraception and banning abortion, Breivik offers this idea:

Discourage women in general to strive for full time careers. This will involve certain sexist and discriminating policies but should increase the fertility rate by up to 0.1-0.2 points.
Women should not be encouraged by society/media to take anything above a bachelor’s degree but should not be prevented from taking a master or PhD. Males on the other hand should obviously continue to be encouraged to take higher education – bachelor, master and PhD. …
Women’s “new role” should be actively illustrated and glorified through series, movies and commercials. …
The end result for implementing the above reforms would be an increase in the fertility rate up from 1.5 to approximately 2.1-2.4 which would be sustainable.
However, this will also involve significant restrictions in women’s rights and media rights.

That last “side effect” does not seem to be much of a problem for Breivik.
One internet prankster conducted a little experiment that proved pretty clearly just how unexceptional this sort of rhetoric is in the manosphere, posting an assortment of misogynist quotes from Breivik’s manifesto (all of them taken originally from the far-right Norwegian blogger who writes under the name Fjordman) to Reddit’s Men’s Rights forum–without identifying them as being from Breivik.
Despite–or perhaps because of–the blatant misogyny, the post initially received numerous up-votes and some positive comments (“Nice post man”) from the regulars. Once it was revealed that the quotes had come from Breivik’s manifesto, the down-votes and critical comments began to stack up.
But Reddit’s Men’s Rights section is actually one of the most moderate and least misogynistic Men’s Rights hangout online. Others in the manosphere have stepped up to defend Breivik’s manifesto (if not his actions) plainly and explicitly, in full knowledge of just whose ideas they are endorsing.
On In Mala Fide, blogger Ferdinand Bardamu praises Breivik’s “lucidity,” and blames his murderous actions on the evils of a too-liberal society:

[A]nother madman with a sensible manifesto. Another completely rational, intelligent man driven to murderous insanity. And once again, society has zero introspection in regards to its profound ability to turn thoughtful men into lunatic butchers. … He is the bastard son of a masochistic, degenerate, rootless world that pisses on its traditions and heritage to elevate perversity, mindless consumerism and ethnic self-hatred to the highest of virtues.

That final reference to “ethnic self-hatred” seems to be Bardamu’s euphemistic way of complaining that not enough white people are white supremacists.
Meanwhile, Chuck of Gucci Little Piggy offers a somewhat more restrained, if ultimately more puzzling, defense of Breivik’s manifesto–or at least that portion of the manifesto that Breivik borrowed from Fjordman.
Chuck endorses Breivik’s (and Fjordman’s) notion that feminism “grease[s]the wheels to allow Islam into his country.” The rest of Chuck’s post elaborates on Breivik’s/Fjordman’s theories, arguing that feminism’s “emasculation of Western men has taken the organic policing mechanism out of the hands of men in society,” and thus rendered Western society helpless before the Islamic cultural invaders.
But the strangest response I’ve seen so far to the massacre in Norway comes from Sofiastry, an anti-feminist blog that seems to be broadly sympathetic to the “alternative” (that is, the “intellectually” racist) right.

I feel that Breivik is being tried for more than his cruelty within the feminist community. The fact that he belongs to the privileged group of the white male makes him hate-worthy along with every other privileged white male who might sympathize with his ideology, even if they don’t happen to be psychotic. Breivik exemplifies White Men, even though Osama Bin Laden to the very same liberal ideologues did not represent Every Muslim.
It’s another symptom of our culture that feels it is OK to hold white men to higher standards of political correctness, self-flagellation and martyrdom whilst simultaneously relentlessly berating and mocking them on a cultural level.

Yep, that’s right. She thinks we hate Breivik … because he’s a white dude.
I can’t speak for every feminist, but for me, it’s more the murdering, the misogyny and the racism. But mostly the murdering.
No, Breivik is not a Men’s Rights Advocate (MRA). No, he didn’t take his marching orders from The Spearhead or In Mala Fide. But he is steeped in the same kind of hatred that is prevalent on those sites, and many of his repugnant beliefs about feminism and women in general are virtually identical to beliefs widespread in the misogynistic manosphere–a fact that a few in the manosphere are already willing to acknowledge, as we saw above.
No, not every misogynist is going to pick up a gun. But ideas do have consequences. Vile, hateful ideas have vile, hateful consequences.

**Celtic Druid** · 13th-May-2012

Quote from Fabrizio Napoleoni

Maybe someone have missed this masterpiece by David Futrelle, that considers MRA and MRM communities and misogynist gatherings, and creates a link between us and Anders Behring Breivik criminal.

A grand leap which has no substantiation. It's classic opportunism by all the crackpots that encompass the liberal sphere to make some kind of claim before it's overwhelmed by the sheer volume of opportunism.

There's more validation in linking feminism with hitler and the KKK (and planned parenting) than Linking Anders Behring Breivik with any aspect of the men's movement. It's absurd.

Personally, I've always stated that once you harm a fellow human being you lose your base of moral influence, whatever your politics.

When truth is legislatively told, those seeking misogynists and madmen will find decent and reasonable fellows instead, and probably be somewhat annoyed at the reduced pace of the social vernacular. Hate they will not find here.

Good and decent men reside here!

**FloatyBoaty** · 13th-May-2012

Quote from Celtic Druid

Personally, I've always stated that once you harm a fellow human being you lose your base of moral influence, whatever your politics.

Very nice Celtic, I like it.

**Marx** · 13th-May-2012

Fabrizio, can you please revise the rules on posting new article... I did ask on your profile page a while back but I presume you haven't seen that yet, so I thought I'd ask here instead.

The DON'T list:

Copy entire articles.

**scullion** · 13th-May-2012

Quote from Celtic Druid

Personally, I've always stated that once you harm a fellow human being you lose your base of moral influence, whatever your politics.

the irony being that if it wasn't for men who disagreed with this doctrine, you and i would be speaking german right now.

oh, and misandry isn't 'politics'... it's a life destroying hate movement. (i note you didn't directly say it was, but it is important i make this clear)

now the article

from what i understand breivik was motivated by hatred of immigrants & islam. the 'misogynistic' element is manufactured and non-existent. 77 innocent civilians may be dead (men, women, boys & girls) - but this mangina doesn't care.. all he cares about is his imaginary 'misogyny'. for him, it is women & only women who are the victims of this man's crimes.

**Richard** · 13th-May-2012

Hmm, trying to paint all MRA's with the Brevik brush. Interesting.

In fact today I had this very idea - that soon MRA's will be labelled hate speechers, terrorists, etc and then a witch hunt begins.

Perhaos we should label the author as suffering from dilusions ?

**Fabrizio Napoleoni** · 14th-May-2012

@MARX
OK, got it!

**PokemonMasterTrainer** · 14th-May-2012

Quote from scullion

the irony being that if it wasn't for men who disagreed with this doctrine, you and i would be speaking german right now.

oh, and misandry isn't 'politics'... it's a life destroying hate movement. (i note you didn't directly say it was, but it is important i make this clear)

now the article

from what i understand breivik was motivated by hatred of immigrants & islam. the 'misogynistic' element is manufactured and non-existent. 77 innocent civilians may be dead (men, women, boys & girls) - but this mangina doesn't care.. all he cares about is his imaginary 'misogyny'. for him, it is women & only women who are the victims of this man's crimes.

You're correct.

**Unregistard** · 14th-May-2012

Having had a chance to read an article containing a translation of his opening statement I can say that Breivik is a nationalist. In no way is he an MRA and has absolutely nothing to do with the MRM. He may have said men are getting screwed over but that's not news to anyone with eyes. His statements to the court are clearly nationalistic, as his statement goes on for pages about immigration, and the islamification of Europe. Where is any mention of the issues important to the MRM, where is a mention of a father's rights? Nowhere.

I will not link to the article because the opposition will use this as "evidence" of association. Even if it proves the exact opposite of what they claim, they would still use it. And the clueless will buy it.

Whether Breivik is involved with the extreme right nationalists in Europe is for them to say but I have not seen anyone in the MRM say anything good about the admitted mass murderer. I have, however, seem him described as guilty, insane and evil, but these are hardly endorsements supportive of Breivik, are they?

Malicious buffoons like Boobz and his ilk spew lies, misinformation and half-truths when they should first make sure that there isn't easily obtainable evidence to the contrary. The endorsements of murder and gender based genocide comes from the rabid mouths of ideologues on Boobz own side of the fence. They were exposed for all to see in the agent orange files (http://agentorangefiles.com). They can never take that back no matter how much they may try to cover that up. If Boobz wants to paint someone with that brush he is so willing to use on the MRM, he should try the folks over at RadFem first.

Propaganda is easily recognizable thanks to the internet where I can look things up myself.

Unregistered · 28th-November-2012

You would think that if men were being "feminized" that they would be able to have a little bit more control over their libido's. It can't work both ways either men can't help themselves because of biology or they can help themselves and they always use that as an excuse.

**nevosopelo** · 28th-November-2012

If I have to bet, my money would go on this scenario; all major countries have massive financial debts. Wisdom will say you will need more people to produce more wealth to pay back the borrowed money. This is unlikely to happen. Most indebeted countries are reporting a reductiuon on income, that's less dispossible income. As the economy shrinks because people have no money to spend, will cause a fall in birth rates. Most indebted countries are already reporting that fact. A low birth rate means a shrinking population, which is okay if the countries can not support its people. The down side is that less people will mean the debt ratio per person of all ages will go up. It will go up even higher if we take into account that single parents homes do not contribute to pay the debt back. In fact they are exacerbating it. Hence, there will be a lot working people burdened with its own share of the debt plus someone else's debt. This burden, of course, will put even more downward preassure on the birth rates of the very people who are supporting this ludicrous way of financial administration. As the evidence has shown western men are shunning marriage and family life in their millions. That means they will be less productive because they have no family responsibilities, but the government has to support all those fatherless children. The only solution will be tax rises. At this point men will be asking themselves, why should they shoulder this debt with massive tax burden. I, for one, will not. I'll only be too happy to see the lot going down the bog hole.

NEVO

**Celtic Druid** · 30th-November-2012

Quote from Unregistered

You would think that if men were being "feminized" that they would be able to have a little bit more control over their libido's. It can't work both ways either men can't help themselves because of biology or they can help themselves and they always use that as an excuse.

It matters not (despite demonizing the natural function that is the male libido), individual theorizing of a defunct ideology doesn't translate to reality and male hormones are criminalized nevertheless.

It is only the female biology which is accepted as excuse worldwide for the most heinous of crimes. Point me towards a single case, worldwide, whereby a man has used his 'hormones' to win a case?

**wh666** · 30th-November-2012

Quote from Unregistered

You would think that if men were being "feminized" that they would be able to have a little bit more control over their libido's. It can't work both ways either men can't help themselves because of biology or they can help themselves and they always use that as an excuse.

Statistics actually show women cheat more in relationships than men.

But it doesn't appear that way as men often get caught as they can't lie or manipulate as well as some women.

**Celtic Druid** · 30th-November-2012

Quote from wh666

Statistics actually show women cheat more in relationships than men.

But it doesn't appear that way as men often get caught as they can't lie or manipulate as well as some women.

Almost all women who cheat never get caught by their partners.... but a fifth of men DO get found out | Mail Online

The basic art of women who cheat is to fiendishly accuse the menfolk of the very thing they're perpetrating, because it's a deflecting form of hiding in plain sight.

Women are centuries ahead of men in the ability to manipulate, deceive and pillage. We must advocate to close this intolerable gender gap.

**felixblue** · 30th-November-2012

Indeed, we are all sinners, but listen to the voices of the angels and follow the righteous path of true light, fear not the labels and harsh words of an enemy that seeks to kill us with our own fears.. And do not engage them in the folly of debate or pointless attempts to deny the view they have of us.. Consider it a compliment!

If anyone has noted that the anti-feminist parts of the norwegian psycho killer's big rant seemed to be directly cut and pasted from some "MRM" writings.. That is because they were.. It was not his own work!Mind you, I wouldn't call myself an MRA either..

And as we know, any writing that seeks to get recognition for misandry in society, is by default immediately defined as misogynist.. That is to be expected.

Marc Lepine, anders berwick, and maybe a few other violent folks the MRM would like to distance itself from..

Had the same basic problem with the same basic enemy..

Feminism, Cultural Marxism, whatever you call it..

Destroy the family, destroy men, and you will reap the reward..

Not all men want to just hide away and beat themselves up.. Even commit suicide..

Some, react in an explosive manner.. A small number of men do not need to be encouraged to fight wars by status, payment, or some ideas about "serving your cuntry".. Some men will fight a war because they are natural born.. Soldiers..

You folks need to stop talking about "war" against the feminists and the statists, if you just mean chit chats and debate with insignifeminists.. and long winded indulgent expensive challenges in the courts under the rules of the enemies.. Fancy words and legal terms, tea and crumpets and buttslavering.. Pre-programmed to lose..

War is about killing people. That is the reality, because deaths have a habit of inducing fear, of making folk rethink, very suddenly.. "why??"..

The war is certainly not about proclaiming how many of your own "soldiers" have topped themselves, lost their personal fights and dignity, etc..

War is not won by the side that proclaims victim status the loudest and gets it..

Wars are won by inducing fear, by dominating the theatre, by fighting with your strengths and getting the enemy to realise, we do not want to die for our beliefs, but the enemy we are happy to see do so.. And we will not fight to the rules of the enemy.. We shall choose our own weapons..

And the winners so far are...

Not the side that chit chats online forever, makes utube videos of the same old whines over and over, self-destructing and falling over itself to appease the enemies and trying its best to not look like "misogynists" as if that means a damned thing worth even worrying about..

So far, the side that jails men for not paying "child support" or because a woman makes an allegation, gets them jailraped and dead from prison aids, the side that drives men to suicide, kills their spirit, cuckholds them and turns their women into disgusting state-pimped sluts..

Is leaving the battle field bloody with daily death tolls on men, women and children that may not be as shockingly direct as Berwicks big day of destroying innocents.. (It is not too far a stretch of credulence either to suggest that the killing sprees of, well, certainly Lepine, were direct consequences of femistatist warfare.. Rumour has it, Lepines child was aborted prior to his one way terminal trip to the Wonderland of mental breakdown..)

But, the victims are just as human, and no doubt, some would say, just as innocent..

Unless anyone thinks being born male and reaching adult hood and being unable to meet the unreal expectations of the feminist farmers of human sheeple is a sign of total guilt and deserving of elimination..

There is a new game going on, its called "feminist kerplunk".. I read about it some time ago.. Its a killer!

Randomly, a judge will fall.. Maybe a politician.. Maybe some feminist icon..

Join the dots, wait for the middle of the film, it has only just began..

We are worthless, we are scum, misogynists, wicked, worthless and grossly disrespected..

First they laugh at us, then they beat us and jail us, take our women, children, families..

Then they take our health, our sanity, and just as we are ready to place our heads in that noose..

A light comes through from the sky, God in heaven fills our minds with joy, and gives us what we need for our supernova exit..

And the buggers eyes shall water and they shall praise us, we will be victorious, because the good can save the souls of those they release in the firestorm..

Fear not brothers, the messiah will become youse..

Quote from wh666

Statistics actually show women cheat more in relationships than men.

But it doesn't appear that way as men often get caught as they can't lie or manipulate as well as some women.

A man who lives to his own rules can never be accused of cheating.

What a gentleman does, is correct..

We are all gentlemen..