Thread: More than half of men believe the world is dominated by females

Thanks to Y!A for this (this guy really posts a lot but seldomly gets credit...Thank you Y!A)

Stickers seen on the streets of New York and the ABC show Big Shots make the same assertion: Men are the new women. And a new survey says men sorta agree! According to Telegraph, "more than half of men believe the world is dominated by females and that they have lost their traditional role in society." This is not a joke! Two thousand men and women were polled by some random television entertainment channel, and 52% of the males said that men have to live by women's rules. More than half of the men polled said they think "society tries to feminize them" and only 33% feel that they can speak freely and say what they think — the rest find it "safer and easier" to keep their opinions to themselves.

As this was from a feminist site, there has to be some sort of complaining....

Who are these poor, downtrodden dudes? Because as far as we know, most prime ministers and presidents of countries are men; women helm only 10 of the global Fortune 500 companies; women earn less money than men, starting right out of college (and then take longer to pay down their debt); and women are ten times more likely than men to be victimized by someone they know intimately. So here's a message for the guys who think the world is dominated by chicks: Maybe that's just the way it is in your house. In which case, you should buy your wife some flowers; being the boss is a tough job.

Survey Finds Men Have Lost Their Role In Society [Telegraph] Related: Carnival of Modern Man: Men Are The New Women [psfk]
Women CEOs [Money.com]
Women make less than men even just out of college [Ventura County Star]
Violence Against Women in the United States [NOW]
Women On The Verge Of A Financial Breakdown

Dubious Studies: Sympathy For The Modern Man? Uh, No.

What I found great about it, they named it dubious studies and underneath it post dubious studies....

But let me get in detail:
- Because as far as we know, most prime ministers and presidents of countries are men; women helm only 10 of the global Fortune 500 companies.
>> Looking at the top 1% forgetting the bottom 20%. Few men reach the highest heights while a lot of men live in the lowest low. If you look at the poorest of the poor in the western world (homeless) for example you will almost exclusively find males

- women earn less money than men, starting right out of college (and then take longer to pay down their debt);
>> Now this is great. If you look at college what will we find? Men being in the more profitable branches like science while women tend to choose less profitable branches like education. Science more money, education less money. The word of interest is choose....THEY CHOOSE IT! Of course it takes more time to pay loans back if you are in a brache that pays less. A good example on how to fake data to make it seem like one is oppressed.

- and women are ten times more likely than men to be victimized by someone they know intimately.
>> What does that even mean, victimize. I´ll argue with the linked article below. But do you already see the catch? By someone they know intimately.

So time for the NOW violence against women article, which isn´t that bad but lets look....all from here:

Violence Against Women in the United States - Violence Against Women in the United States


- MURDER. Every day four women die in this country as a result of domestic violence, the euphemism for murders and assaults by husbands and boyfriends. That's approximately 1,400 women a year, according to the FBI. The number of women who have been murdered by their intimate partners is greater than the number of soldiers killed in the Vietnam War.

>> And are still less than the number of males murdered each year. Using data from 2002 ( Men's health - SupaWiki ) we find that 13.640 (77%) men were victims of homicide compared to 3.998 (23%) of women. That means men are 3,4 times more likely to be killed. I am not sure if you care (in the afterlife) if you have been killed by a stranger, your wifes new boyfriend or a friend of yours. Dead is dead. Oh and by the way according to Wiki 4.189 (mostly male) Us soldiers died in Irak. But that wouldn´t make the female number look so good.



- BATTERING. Although only 572,000 reports of assault by intimates are officially reported to federal officials each year, the most conservative estimates indicate two to four million women of all races and classes are battered each year. At least 170,000 of those violent incidents are serious enough to require hospitalization, emergency room care or a doctor's attention.

>> I am going for the victim statistics of the USA again. This seems to me to be the most reliable source ( http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus05.pdf ) we have (over 100.000 people asked if they were victims of a crime).
[code]
Type of crime male number rate female number rate
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Assault 2.560.480 21,5 1.796.710 14,3

-Aggravated 665.600 5,6 386.660 3,1
--w. injury 210.520 1,8 120.210 1,0
--threat. w. weapon 455.080 3,8 266.450 2,1

-Simple 1.894.880 15,9 1.410.050 11,2
--w. minor injury 481.120 4,0 314.420 2,5
--without injury 1.413.760 11,9 1.095.930 8,7
[/code]from table 2 | 2005 | Rates per 100.000

Again (as in all violent crimes except sexual ones) men are victimized even more than women. Of course intimate partner violence is sth that stands out psychologically as you probably love the one who is hitting you. Now keep in mind that intimate partner assaults on men are a taboo in this society and even more underreported. Enough studies show us that women are at least as violent as men ( DV Studies collection - REFERENCES EXAMINING ASSAULTS BY WOMEN ON THEIR SPOUSES OR MALE PARTNERS: AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY - DVStats.org Search Engine - tracks research on domestic violence against males )



- SEXUAL ASSAULT. Every year approximately 132,000 women report that they have been victims of rape or attempted rape, and more than half of them knew their attackers. It's estimated that two to six times that many women are raped, but do not report it. Every year 1.2 million women are forcibly raped by their current or former male partners, some more than once.

>> Who is estimating what?

Adjusted number of rapes and assault:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus05.pdf
Table 2: Rates per 1.000[code]
Both Female Male
Number Rate Number Rate Number Rate
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Rape/Assault 191.670 0,8 176.540 1,4 15.130 0,1
-Rape 69.370 0,3 66.670 0,5 2.700 0,0
-Assault 61.530 0,3 61.530 0,5 0 0,0
-Att. Rape 60.770 0,2 48.340 0,4 12.430 0,1
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Overall crime 5.400.790 22,1 2.273.320 18,1 3.127.470 26,3
[/code]I doubt that the number is that high as the estimates. If 1,2 million women are raped a year and we assume that the average women lives 80 years. There would be 96 million living raped victims since 1928. That would be almost 50% of the female population in the USA. Even more if you see the decline of rapes on a scale:

Bureau of Justice Statistics Rape Trends


The rate is below 1 per 1000.

United States: 0.301318 per 1,000 people
( http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...pes-per-capita )

Common sense is a strong weapon.....

- THE TARGETS. Women are 10 times more likely than men to be victimized by an intimate. Young women, women who are separated, divorced or single, low- income women and African-American women are disproportionately victims of assault and rape. Domestic violence rates are five times higher among families below poverty levels, and severe spouse abuse is twice as likely to be committed by unemployed men as by those working full time. Violent attacks on lesbians and gay men have become two to three times more common than they were prior to 1988.

>> Well looking at current DV studies and giving the age of the data we can assume that the 10 times can be explained by the underreporting of male dv victims, whose situation wasn´t better in the 90s. Interrestingly African-American seem to be the biggest victim. If we look at this thread ( Men are rapist / murderers - racial profiling ) you´ll see that I have the same conclusion on the perpetrator side. It seems to me that in the USA a lot of African-Americans are poor and born without a perspecitve. This circumstance seems to lead to violence and crime. You don´t have to be a professor to understand that someone raised by a single mother (70% of black kids are raised by single mothers) in a poor surrounding is more likely to become a criminal than a well cared for kid from the upper class.

- IMPACT ON CHILDREN. Violent juvenile offenders are four times more likely to have grown up in homes where they saw violence. Children who have witnessed violence at home are also five times more likely to commit or suffer violence when they become adults.

>> It is not only that. If a father is missing this has a damaging effect, too:

• 63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census
• 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes
• 85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes (Source: Center for Disease Control)
• 80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes (Source: Criminal Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26, 1978.)
• 71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes (Source: National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools.)
• 75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes (Source: Rainbows for all Gods Children.)
• 70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. Dept. of Justice, Special Report, Sept 1988)
• 85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home (Source: Fulton Co. Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. of Corrections 1992)

(Because only a portion of each age group grew up in a fatherless home,) these statistics translate to mean that children from fatherless homes are:

• 5 times more likely to commit suicide
• 32 times more likely to run away
• 20 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
• 14 times more likely to commit rape
• 9 times more likely to drop out of high school
• 10 times more likely to abuse chemical substances
• 9 times more likely to end up in a state-operated institution
• 20 times more likely to end up in prison.

85% of Youths in Prison Grew UP in Fatherless Homes

Thinking about the previous point, a big chunk of this problem seems to boil down to a racial problem. Supporting poor black families, boosting the role of the father could help as well to break this vicious cycle of violence.

- LEGISLATION. In 1994, the National Organization for Women, the NOW Legal Defense and Education Fund, and other organizations finally secured passage of the Violence Against Women Act, which provides a recordbreaking $1.8 billion to address issues of violence against women.

>> 1,8 billion? To do what? Demonize men? This will imho have a negative effect. Fahters are needed!

- IMPACT ON HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES. Women who are battered have more than twice the health care needs and costs than those who are never battered. Approximately 17 percent of pregnant women report having been battered, and the results include miscarriages, stillbirths and a two to four times greater likelihood of bearing a low birth weight baby. Abused women are disproportionately represented among the homeless and suicide victims. Victims of domestic violence are being denied insurance in some states because they are considered to have a "pre-existing condition."

>> Well I don´t know how accurate this information is (I think female victims of DV sit in a shelter by now). But if we want to see how miserable a group feels, well we have some statistics.

Note that in most years except 1981, 1982, 1991, 1992, and 1993, the number of male suicides exceeds the number of all homicides. More men and boys kill themselves every year than there are homicides of both sexes every year. Where is the media attention to this issue?

Suicide 2002:
Male: 25.409 (80,2 %)
Female: 6.246
Homicide: 17.638

The general neglect of male issues and the structural oppression of men (such as male depression, the fact men commit suicide approximately 4 times more often than women (although women outnumber men approximately 3-1 in suicide attempts), constitute over 90% of the prison population, a majority of alcoholics, drug addicts, homeless people, have lower levels of university attendance and life expectancy etc.)

Men's health - SupaWiki

A lot of these men are denied medical care because depression is seen as mostly a female problem:

Depression

From http://www.mind.org.uk:
A number of recent studies suggest that depression occurs as often in men as in women, even though women get diagnosed and treated twice as often as men. 'Hidden' or 'covert' depression may also be a factor behind several of the problems we think of as being typically male – alcohol and drug abuse, domestic violence and failures in intimacy (see Mind's booklet 'Understanding depression')

Noting the earlier factoid of 'Research suggests up to 70 percent of suicides are by people with depression' makes one wonder. Consider that 75% of all suicides are male. How many of those are due to a man/ boy's depression being ignored, or that same man/ boy putting on a strong face because he doesn't want to be perceived as weak etc? Indeed, depression affects men in many many ways, especially with the expectations thrust upon them with little appreciation of the current social climate that men and boys have to live through. Discrimination in the workplace, feminised education systems, constant denigration of males in the media, ignorance of men's issues by the feminist government, society's instant dismissal of men who ever take an interest in their own health 'men can't handle being sick, they love to act like they're dying - hahaha silly men - and other inane responses from women around them, which leave men feeling isolated. A lack of funding into promoting men's health and encouragement to visit their G.P. allow such mental and physical health issues to accumulate.

Men's health - SupaWiki

So let us see this sentence again and change it a bit:
- Abused women are disproportionately represented among the homeless and suicide victims.

- Men are disproportionately represented among the homeless and suicide victims.

This is more accurate.

The best thing about this statistic is the age of the data:

"Violence Against Women: A National Crime Victimization Survey Report", U.S. Department of Justice, Washington, D.C., January 1994.
"The National Women's Study," Crime Victims Research and Treatment Center, Medical University of South Carolina, Charleston, SC, 1992.
"Five Issues In American Health," American Medical Association, Chicago, 1991.
Bullock, Linda F. and Judith McFarlane, "The Birth Weight/Battering Connection," Journal of American Nursing, September 1989.
McFarlane, Judith, et. al., "Assessing for Abuse During Pregnancy," Journal of the American Medical Association, June 17, 1992.
Federal Bureau of Investigation statistics, 1992.
Sheehan, Myra A. "An Interstate Compact on Domestic Violence: What are the Advantages?" Juvenile and Family Justice Today, 1993.
Sherman, Lawrence W. et al. Domestic Violence: Experiments and Dilemmas, 1990.
A study of five cities -- New York, Chicago, San Francisco, Boston and Minneapolis -- by the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, published in 1992.

The most current NOW data was from 1994 (14 years old) while the oldest turns 20 next year. Urgh. Could it be (looking at the graph again) that older data looks a bit better?

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Whew...that was a bit. I hope I could help with this in further arguments. It surprises me that this little German boy here can write a lot to make this NOW statistics not look so bad (in corelation with the bigger picture). I originally just wanted to post the above study and just got carried away. Damn I hope you´ll enjoy reading this.