Thanks to Y!A for this (this guy really posts a lot but seldomly gets credit...Thank you Y!A)

As this was from a feminist site, there has to be some sort of complaining....

Dubious Studies: Sympathy For The Modern Man? Uh, No.

What I found great about it, they named it dubious studies and underneath it post dubious studies....

But let me get in detail:
- Because as far as we know, most prime ministers and presidents of countries are men; women helm only 10 of the global Fortune 500 companies.
>> Looking at the top 1% forgetting the bottom 20%. Few men reach the highest heights while a lot of men live in the lowest low. If you look at the poorest of the poor in the western world (homeless) for example you will almost exclusively find males

- women earn less money than men, starting right out of college (and then take longer to pay down their debt);
>> Now this is great. If you look at college what will we find? Men being in the more profitable branches like science while women tend to choose less profitable branches like education. Science more money, education less money. The word of interest is choose....THEY CHOOSE IT! Of course it takes more time to pay loans back if you are in a brache that pays less. A good example on how to fake data to make it seem like one is oppressed.

- and women are ten times more likely than men to be victimized by someone they know intimately.
>> What does that even mean, victimize. I´ll argue with the linked article below. But do you already see the catch? By someone they know intimately.

So time for the NOW violence against women article, which isn´t that bad but lets look....all from here:

Violence Against Women in the United States - Violence Against Women in the United States


- MURDER. Every day four women die in this country as a result of domestic violence, the euphemism for murders and assaults by husbands and boyfriends. That's approximately 1,400 women a year, according to the FBI. The number of women who have been murdered by their intimate partners is greater than the number of soldiers killed in the Vietnam War.

>> And are still less than the number of males murdered each year. Using data from 2002 ( Men's health - SupaWiki ) we find that 13.640 (77%) men were victims of homicide compared to 3.998 (23%) of women. That means men are 3,4 times more likely to be killed. I am not sure if you care (in the afterlife) if you have been killed by a stranger, your wifes new boyfriend or a friend of yours. Dead is dead. Oh and by the way according to Wiki 4.189 (mostly male) Us soldiers died in Irak. But that wouldn´t make the female number look so good.



- BATTERING. Although only 572,000 reports of assault by intimates are officially reported to federal officials each year, the most conservative estimates indicate two to four million women of all races and classes are battered each year. At least 170,000 of those violent incidents are serious enough to require hospitalization, emergency room care or a doctor's attention.

>> I am going for the victim statistics of the USA again. This seems to me to be the most reliable source ( http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus05.pdf ) we have (over 100.000 people asked if they were victims of a crime).
from table 2 | 2005 | Rates per 100.000

Again (as in all violent crimes except sexual ones) men are victimized even more than women. Of course intimate partner violence is sth that stands out psychologically as you probably love the one who is hitting you. Now keep in mind that intimate partner assaults on men are a taboo in this society and even more underreported. Enough studies show us that women are at least as violent as men ( DV Studies collection - REFERENCES EXAMINING ASSAULTS BY WOMEN ON THEIR SPOUSES OR MALE PARTNERS: AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY - DVStats.org Search Engine - tracks research on domestic violence against males )



- SEXUAL ASSAULT. Every year approximately 132,000 women report that they have been victims of rape or attempted rape, and more than half of them knew their attackers. It's estimated that two to six times that many women are raped, but do not report it. Every year 1.2 million women are forcibly raped by their current or former male partners, some more than once.

>> Who is estimating what?

Adjusted number of rapes and assault:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus05.pdf
Table 2: Rates per 1.000I doubt that the number is that high as the estimates. If 1,2 million women are raped a year and we assume that the average women lives 80 years. There would be 96 million living raped victims since 1928. That would be almost 50% of the female population in the USA. Even more if you see the decline of rapes on a scale:

Bureau of Justice Statistics Rape Trends


The rate is below 1 per 1000.

United States: 0.301318 per 1,000 people
( http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...pes-per-capita )

Common sense is a strong weapon.....

- THE TARGETS. Women are 10 times more likely than men to be victimized by an intimate. Young women, women who are separated, divorced or single, low- income women and African-American women are disproportionately victims of assault and rape. Domestic violence rates are five times higher among families below poverty levels, and severe spouse abuse is twice as likely to be committed by unemployed men as by those working full time. Violent attacks on lesbians and gay men have become two to three times more common than they were prior to 1988.

>> Well looking at current DV studies and giving the age of the data we can assume that the 10 times can be explained by the underreporting of male dv victims, whose situation wasn´t better in the 90s. Interrestingly African-American seem to be the biggest victim. If we look at this thread ( Men are rapist / murderers - racial profiling ) you´ll see that I have the same conclusion on the perpetrator side. It seems to me that in the USA a lot of African-Americans are poor and born without a perspecitve. This circumstance seems to lead to violence and crime. You don´t have to be a professor to understand that someone raised by a single mother (70% of black kids are raised by single mothers) in a poor surrounding is more likely to become a criminal than a well cared for kid from the upper class.

- IMPACT ON CHILDREN. Violent juvenile offenders are four times more likely to have grown up in homes where they saw violence. Children who have witnessed violence at home are also five times more likely to commit or suffer violence when they become adults.

>> It is not only that. If a father is missing this has a damaging effect, too:

85% of Youths in Prison Grew UP in Fatherless Homes

Thinking about the previous point, a big chunk of this problem seems to boil down to a racial problem. Supporting poor black families, boosting the role of the father could help as well to break this vicious cycle of violence.

- LEGISLATION. In 1994, the National Organization for Women, the NOW Legal Defense and Education Fund, and other organizations finally secured passage of the Violence Against Women Act, which provides a recordbreaking $1.8 billion to address issues of violence against women.

>> 1,8 billion? To do what? Demonize men? This will imho have a negative effect. Fahters are needed!

- IMPACT ON HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES. Women who are battered have more than twice the health care needs and costs than those who are never battered. Approximately 17 percent of pregnant women report having been battered, and the results include miscarriages, stillbirths and a two to four times greater likelihood of bearing a low birth weight baby. Abused women are disproportionately represented among the homeless and suicide victims. Victims of domestic violence are being denied insurance in some states because they are considered to have a "pre-existing condition."

>> Well I don´t know how accurate this information is (I think female victims of DV sit in a shelter by now). But if we want to see how miserable a group feels, well we have some statistics.

Men's health - SupaWiki

A lot of these men are denied medical care because depression is seen as mostly a female problem:

Men's health - SupaWiki

So let us see this sentence again and change it a bit:
- Abused women are disproportionately represented among the homeless and suicide victims.

- Men are disproportionately represented among the homeless and suicide victims.

This is more accurate.

The best thing about this statistic is the age of the data:

The most current NOW data was from 1994 (14 years old) while the oldest turns 20 next year. Urgh. Could it be (looking at the graph again) that older data looks a bit better?

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Whew...that was a bit. I hope I could help with this in further arguments. It surprises me that this little German boy here can write a lot to make this NOW statistics not look so bad (in corelation with the bigger picture). I originally just wanted to post the above study and just got carried away. Damn I hope you´ll enjoy reading this.

those cool guys relaxing down Mexico way at Acapulco don't

cause they are the Speedy Gonzales - far to fleet of foot for the feminit harridans to catch up with

one might even call such men "artful dodgers" anon

i say ! is it better for a young man to be sipping a Pina Colada by the seaside on golden sands or;

being processed in the Family Court by the de-cloaked succubus he thought was his wife forever and who just wants just about everything that is not nailed down off of him

I certainly did. A good exercise in debunking the hyperbole and lies of fems.

So, most PMs and Presidents (A) are men (B) . Let's say, for arguement that all are.

So, All As are Bs

Feminists go on to draw the NON-logical, erroneous conclusion that all Bs are As.

All men are not Presidents.

Men have always been living by womens rules for thousands of years! http://www.deltabravo.net/files/ifmenhav.pdf It's just that now with modern feminism "womens rules" have reached a zenith of tyrannical institutionalized repression, frenziedly promoted and upheld by corrupted society, academia, media and government.

By capitulating to an idea that they 'have to' submit to this - unquestionably merely aids in facilitating their own dire position. Men don't have to do a damn thing for demanding and ungrateful women if they so choose. The men's strike shouldn't just be limited to marriage and dating! Hell, more and more men should be telling such dictatorial women, something ex-member Fred X would say: "get f*cked."

Undoubtedly gynocentric society and a biased media tries to feminize men, just as a rancher will endeavour to 'break' his unruly and boisterous horses in order to make the horse pliable to it's owners bidding. Feminists especially, cannot contend with an army of confident and testosterone fuelled men. So they spend all their energies in emasculating men and boys (predominance of female teachers, Ritalin and a feelings based curriculum?) at every conceivable opportunity. And the government is usually on hand to obligingly enforce this!

Cannot speak freely? Is this what men have allowed themselves to be reduced too? Historically we know the fate of those groups that could not speak freely. Therefore I say, even if your not that greatest debator - take a leaf out of Joe Rogan's book and stand your ground come what may.

They'd have to send this guy in for "extra training".

You beat me to it Stan. See what I added to my last paragraph. I was going to add the link after Joe Rogan.

I've watched the video several times, but never tire of it.

Good on you Joe, don't take that crap..

A good demonstration about arguing with a feminist..

It goes nowhere..

We have plenty of examples right here..