There is no male contraceptive pill because it would kill any stranglehold that women have over reproduction.

"The truth is something you don't ever want to hear."

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There is no male contraceptive pill because it would kill any stranglehold that women have over reproduction.

"The truth is something you don't ever want to hear."

No male contraceptive pill in the feminized west. It's out there, but will never reach the shores of America or Great Britain or Europe as long as the feminists dictate procreation ideals.

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"The truth is something you don't ever want to hear."

I abhor lies and only want to hear the truth.

Men will always be more powerful than women. The feminist attempt to stop this is pointless; a man who really wants to do something will get it done.

So, what are we gonna do about it?

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So, what are we gonna do about it?

Is it illegal to sell that pill in the UK, without it being passed by some medical authority ?

I do not believe there is a need to get ahead of ourselves, after all the pill (for women) is said to be linked to breast cancer. Do not get me wrong if this is indeed a male birth-control pill I want it tomorrow. But first things first.

First I think the MRM needs to do some research to find out more about this. Does this male contraceptive pill really exist, does it really work and what are the side effects? If it is being used or even just tested in China right now then there should be some evidence as to its possible effectiveness and possible side effects. There are men in the MRM who have connections with/in china and they need to verify what they can. Other MRAs can and should do as much digging as possible on the web to find out as much as possible, including who is manufacturing it and where.

If this drug is available now, today, but is not allowed to be imported into western countries we need to know why. If there is really a market for this drug I am sure some entrepreneur will undoubtedly find a way to smuggle it to those who want it even if the feminists try to stop it with their government proxies.

It is time to dig gentlemen. So go and dig up all the information YOU can. Who is the Dr. in the video? Is there any way of getting more information from him? Any Portuguese-speaking MRA want to go digging for an interview?

One lone Youtube video does not make it a fact. There is a need for a male contraceptive drug in the west, but we should not get all riled up over a single video. We need facts.

Here is the definition of GOSSYPOL, the aldehyde that comes from cotton seeds. I am looking for more studies on this compound. It seems this compound has been around for a while and the big pharma companies have not tried to utilize it because it is so freely available and easy to make. The unregistered poster above makes a good point, we need some research and need to get in contact with this Doctor and get some information from him. I think we need to collectively put forth a lot of energy into this issue as it holds a really promising possibility for men.
Gossypol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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So, what are we gonna do about it?

We need a MRA who speaks Portuguese to get in touch with this doctor asap. Lets put the call out everyone. Percy, do you speak Portuguese?

Here is an interesting Skype conversation I had with a woman on this issue. Note how fast she switches to sarcasm and starts playing this game:

[8:09:07 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): Male Birth Control and its Opposition... - YouTube

[8:10:28 PM] Anne: I think that male hormonal birth control is a wonderful idea

[8:10:49 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): Oh me too. But I think it's very telling that there's opposition from this, particularly from women.

[8:11:00 PM] Anne: I don't understand why there would be opposition

[8:11:13 PM] Anne: all my female friends are like "awesome!"

[8:11:18 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): Because it takes away the only power women have over men.

[8:11:23 PM] Anne: pffft

[8:11:38 PM] Anne: excuse me while I clean up the water I just snorted through my nose

[8:11:56 PM] Anne: nutty peoples

[8:12:47 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): Well, you might not think that's a true answer, but many women have abused this for years. Lying about being on their pill when they're secretly trying to get pregnant, forcing a man into child support payments, yadda yadda.

[8:12:52 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): I think it's about time we had our own pill.

[8:13:09 PM] Anne: ok, I'd like to see some reliable sources on this, please

[8:13:17 PM] Anne: because it sounds crazy to me

[8:13:25 PM] Anne: or is it just a feeling?

[8:13:28 PM] Anne: gossip?

[8:13:38 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): No, this has been going on for years.

[8:13:42 PM] Anne: sources?

[8:13:44 PM] Anne: please?

[8:13:52 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): Look it up.

[8:13:57 PM] Anne: no, you made the claim

[8:13:59 PM] Anne: you back it up

[8:14:03 PM] Anne: those are the rules

[8:14:20 PM] Anne: You had to get your info from somewhere

[8:14:26 PM] Anne: I'd like to look at it

[8:14:27 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): I'm not going to go on a personal researching assignment just because you don't like something I said.

[8:14:35 PM] Anne: so, you just "heard" about this?

[8:14:41 PM] Anne: I'd like to see some research

[8:14:45 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): No. I have known about this for years.

[8:14:56 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): Women have a financial motive for getting pregnant. Men don't.

[8:15:00 PM] Anne: Ah, so you just "know what you know", right?

[8:15:03 PM] Anne: gotcha

[8:15:06 PM] Anne: no sources

[8:15:11 PM] Anne: gotcha

I think it's pretty obvious from the sarcasm why I wasn't moved to "back up" anything to her.

[8:15:28 PM] Anne: I'd really like to explore this issue

[8:15:34 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): No, I just don't feel like being the personal researcher every time somebody doesn't agree with something I said. Look it up yourself.

[8:15:40 PM] Anne: but with no sources or citations for your claims, I can't

[8:15:43 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): If you really want to explore this issue. Look it up yourself.

[8:15:51 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): GOOGLE IT!

[8:16:04 PM] Anne: So, I can make any claim I want and then petulantly order you to Google it?
[8:16:08 PM] Anne: LOL
[8:16:18 PM] Anne: works for me

[8:18:07 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): So you're completely unaware that there exists a financial motive for women to get pregnant?

[8:18:27 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): Such as money from welfare and child support payments?

[8:18:43 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): You're unaware that a guy could be dinged for child support even if the child is proven not to be his?

[8:19:20 PM] Anne: I think my Bullshit Meter just exploded!
[8:19:23 PM] Anne: too funny
[8:19:29 PM] Anne: hey, I don't want an argument
[8:19:40 PM] Anne: I just wanted to see your sources to examine them
[8:19:44 PM] Anne: I thought I could learn something
[8:19:49 PM] Anne: no problem

[8:20:12 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): If you really want to learn something, go look it up yourself. I am so sick of people that are too fucking lazy and expect other people to do the research for them.

[8:20:29 PM] Anne: you also don't back up your claims
[8:20:33 PM] Anne: so, no argument
[8:20:36 PM] Anne: jeez
[8:20:40 PM] Anne: this is basic stuff
[8:20:48 PM] Anne: you make the claim, you back it up
[8:20:53 PM] Anne: the burden of proof is on you
[8:21:07 PM] Anne: otherwise, there is no argument
[8:21:11 PM] Anne: ask anyone
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8:21:21 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): Okay, here's one source.
[8:21:22 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&...8QzrY_2C66jZXQ

[8:21:25 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): BOOM right there.

[8:21:33 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&...zUnBfgu9iIgfwQ

[8:21:35 PM] Anne: thank-you

[8:21:35 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): Boom right there.

[8:21:45 PM] Anne: I would be very interested in seeing these

[8:21:53 PM] Anne: are you familiar with them?

[8:22:01 PM] Anne: or is this your first time seeing them?

[8:22:08 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&...YQhIyp_qqF7UcA

[8:22:18 PM] Anne: I'm guessing first time

[8:22:27 PM] Anne: I'm definitely going to check them out

[8:22:30 PM] Anne: thank-you

[8:22:37 PM] Anne: I do like to learn

[8:22:43 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&...fB1nE8vrOspjaw

[8:22:48 PM] Anne: especially about sociology and psychology

[8:22:55 PM] Anne: lol, your google-fu is strong

[8:23:03 PM] Anne: have you checked any of these out yet?

[8:23:16 PM] Anne: Or should I just start at the top?

[8:23:24 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): Yeah, I have. But most imporantly I already knew all this shit just from basic life experience.

[8:23:30 PM] Anne: which one do you think makes the strongest argument?

[8:23:36 PM] Anne: I'd like to start with that one

[8:23:37 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): They all do.

[8:23:40 PM] Anne: um, no

[8:23:42 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): It's not a debate. It's a fact.

[8:23:46 PM] Anne: which one would you recommend?

[8:23:53 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): Which ever one you want.

[8:23:55 PM] Anne: if you had to pick a starting point

[8:24:01 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): Which ever one you want.

[8:24:09 PM] Anne: they're equally good?

[8:24:13 PM] Anne: excellent

[8:24:15 PM] Anne: thank-you

[8:24:18 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): See this is why I didn't feel like being your personal researcher.

[8:24:21 PM] Anne: lol

[8:24:41 PM] Anne: honey, you really don't get it ... YOU made a claim, I asked for proof ... that's how it works. Ask anyone

[8:24:51 PM] Anne: lol

[8:24:56 PM] Anne: I'm gonna go start on these

[8:25:00 PM] Anne: thank-you again

[8:25:22 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): I don't need to go on Google to back up everything I say, especially when it's true, well-documented COMMON KNOWLEDGE.

[8:25:23 PM] Anne: and I shall take your word that you have read them and are familiar with them and you agree with
them all?

[8:25:31 PM] Anne: is that what you say?

[8:25:49 PM] Anne: start anywhere?

[8:25:53 PM] Anne: they're equally good?

[8:25:55 PM] Anne: thank-you

[8:25:56 PM] Anne:

[8:26:17 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): Paterinity fraud exists. Should I go on Google to prove that to you, too?

[8:26:28 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): Spiders exist, too.

[8:26:55 PM] Anne: LOL

[8:27:07 PM] Anne: nice strawman

[8:27:09 PM] Anne: jeez

[8:27:28 PM] Anne: I feel like I'm arguing with the priest again

[8:27:33 PM] Anne: ok, I'm gonna read

[8:28:06 PM] Anne: While I'm gone, you read this if you want to argue more effectively in the future Burden of proof - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[8:28:12 PM] Anne: cheers

[8:30:37 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): I didn't claim the sky was red or tried to argue the existence of God. I made a true statement which is pretty much common knowledge.

[8:32:22 PM] Patrick John Doran (The MadShangi): Sorry, but I've had run-ins with trolls that have me wasting my time collecting information for them only to have them, "Well prove that to me, prove this to me." "Where's the sources to back up those sources?" I don't play that game.

To be fair, MS, giving a source without a rant in response wouldn't have hurt.. But good on you for seeking evidence to back up your claims.

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This a good video on the male birth control pill with it's creator. He's Brazilian and the video is in Portuguese with English subtitles. Seems the feminists hate this guy with a passion. The pills are made from cotton seeds and has been proven to be effective and completely reversible after 3 months of non use. The major problem is that women HATE the notion that men will be able to control the reproductive process. Add to that big Pharma not being able to cash in and you get a male birth control pill used only in China at this point in time.

if I could actually get to see it, rather than have an ad block it..

Added after 13 minutes:

MRA's are deliberately failing to appreciate the reason that feminists don't like the idea of the male pill I think..

It is not because women want to TRICK men into getting pregnant..

It is because women DO NOT TRUST men to take such a pill..

They have no worries about THE SNIP do they?

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if I could actually get to see it, rather than have an ad block it..

Added after 13 minutes:

MRA's are deliberately failing to appreciate the reason that feminists don't like the idea of the male pill I think..

It is not because women want to TRICK men into getting pregnant..

It is because women DO NOT TRUST men to take such a pill..

They have no worries about THE SNIP do they?

1) You must be viewing the site on your wrist-watch if you're viewing is blocked by a 300wide ad-spot.
2) No one is deliberately ignoring this... We know it's both reasons, we've discussed both on this forum many times.
3) Some women DO want to trick men into becoming fathers.
4) Yes, that too has been discussed as I said.
5) Some do. My ex was dead against it.

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I abhor lies and only want to hear the truth.

Make that two!

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Do not get me wrong if this is indeed a male birth-control pill I want it tomorrow.

Make that two!

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First I think the MRM needs to do some research to find out more about this. Does this male contraceptive pill really exist, does it really work and what are the side effects?

Well, for starters, I'm pretty sure it still cannot prevent STDs of any sort.
Secondly, It sure can't prevent paternity fraud.

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So, what are we gonna do about it?

Like Unregistered said, we should do some research on these pills and see if they are really safe to use. and if so, why not ask some doctors about this stuff and have them contact the medical industry to ship them here? it's worth a try.

Hey Shangi, nice to see you around again. Input a little summary of what you've been up to.

marx, all I can say about the ad blocking the view was that I was viewing it on a standard lap top and the ad stretched half way across the video area, making it impossible to read the text on the screen as it came up.. Attempts to reduce the ad, or move it, simply brought up a big stupid screen of crap, which was not only fucking annoying, it was doubly so when it was fucking up my pc somehow by looping and locking it up.. Had to CTRL ALT DEL out a couple of times..

Fixed the problem by doing the quote thing and bringing the video onto another post..

I would not have mentioned it.. Other than the fact that I was then in a new reply area of the post..