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    France's Sarkozy wants smaller govt with more women

    By Anna Willard
    Updated: 8:41 a.m. PT May 7, 2007

    PARIS - French president-elect Nicolas Sarkozy is expected to form a streamlined government to push through reforms and wants at least half the cabinet to be women.

    Sarkozy won a strong mandate for economic and political change by winning 53.06 percent of votes in Sunday's presidential run-off against 46.94 for Socialist Segolene Royal.

    His government line-up is expected to reflect his desire to trim public sector fat and push through change.

    "It's the idea of efficiency, the idea of reducing the state and of making savings," said political scientist Paul Bacot of Sciences Po in Lyon.

    The government now has an unwieldy 30 ministers. Sarkozy says he will trim the number to 15, beef up some portfolios and replace others with new ones to help him get tough on illegal immigrants and create jobs.

    He wants to create a ministry of immigration and national identity. The economic portfolio would be shared between a ministry of public accounts, to oversee spending, and an economic strategy ministry that would focus on jobs and the challenges posed by globalisation.

    Francois Fillon, 53, who ran Sarkozy's campaign, is seen as the most likely prime minister. A former social affairs and education minister, he pushed through changes to the pensions system and 35-hour work week.

    Labour Minister Jean-Louis Borloo, 56, who heads the small Radical Party, may also have a chance of being prime minister. He has a reputation as a socially conscious politician and is liked by trade unions, which could be useful for Sarkozy when he tries to implement promises to change the labour structure.

    Brice Hortefeux, 48, a close advisor to Sarkozy and a former local authorities minister, is tipped to be interior minister. He and Sarkozy have been friends for 30 years.

    Xavier Bertrand, 42, a former health minister who has been Sarkozy's campaign spokesman, is mentioned as a possible economic strategy minister.

    Ex-prime minister Alain Juppe, 61, could become foreign minister or head the National Assembly, parliament's lower house. Juppe was long a close ally of President Jacques Chirac, with whom Sarkozy has a strained relationship.

    LIMITED POOL

    Only six members of the government that is departing are female, and the pool of experienced women ministers is limited.

    But Sarkozy will hope to avoid a repeat of 1995, when 12 women were promoted to ministerial posts after an election. They were nearly all fired within months for lacking experience.

    Defence Minister Michele Alliot-Marie, 60, is the most experienced of the female politicians who support him. She has a reputation for being safe and quietly efficient, and could become foreign minister.

    Trade Minister Christine Lagarde is tipped to become the head of the ministry for national accounts. She led France in sensitive world trade talks, and has won Sarkozy's admiration.

    Rachida Dati, a 41-year-old lawyer born to Algerian and Moroccan parents, is seen as an obvious choice for the ministry for immigration and national identity.

    Valerie Pecresse, 39, the spokesman of Sarkozy's Union for a Popular Movement, and deputies Nathalie Kosciusko-Morizet, 33, and Christine Boutin, 63, are seen as possible ministers.

    Sarkozy could also turn to prominent members of France's business community such as BNP chairman Michel Pebereau or Areva president Anne Lauvergeon.
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    PARIS - French president-elect Nicolas Sarkozy is expected to form a streamlined government to push through reforms and wants at least half the cabinet to be women.
    This is ridiculous. He's judging people based on gender instead of merit, achievements, skills, experience, suitableness etc.

    Normally gender should not play a role in politics. However Sarkozy thinks at least half of the cabinet should be women, because? Do potential replacement women have better skills, experience, achievements, merit? Are they more suitable? Would they do a better job? Would they govern the country better, make better descisions etc?

    He's sadly not taking such important factors into account or barely.

    What Sarkozy sees is that women are a minority in the cabinet so it must be bad right? Wrong!

    Sarkozy basically says indirectly: "there are too many men in i.e. the cabinet and that is bad. Why? Simply because they are men and there are too many of them."

    Let me repeat: Under normal circumstances it's not about gender at all. What matters is who has the best track record, skills, experience etc and is thus the most suitable for positions.

    Saying that a proportionatelly smaller amount of women in i.e. the cabinet (or anything else) is per definion bad is rediculous!

    If women were able to outperform men (under fair competition without quotas or extra support for one gender) then they would've been more numerous in the cabinet already.

    The reality is that more men outperform women with better track records, skills, experience, commitment etc. This all makes them more suitable to govern a country. This is why there are more men in i.e. the cabinet under normal competition.

    Having the best capable people govern a country is in the best interest of all citizens. Good outcomes and fortune reduces when less capable people govern.

    Sarkozy doesn't look at people (men and women) based on their achievements. He doesn't value people based on their skills, track record, suitability etc.

    What he does do is purely cating towards women and think that a smaller amount of women is predefinition bad. This makes him a mangina extraordinaire.

    He stabs men deep in the back. People like him hurt everybody in the long term, because they judge people based on gender instead of achievements, skills, suitability and such.
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    Re: France's Sarkozy wants smaller govt with more women (mangina)

    I thought Sarkozy was supposed to be some kind of scary reactionary chauvinist? Affirmative action hiring? Is he trying to be all things to all people?
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    Yup, left or right, they're all bending over backwards to be as "progressive" as they can be when it comes to female species in the public sphere. Each in their own way, but in the end, they are the same in this regard - womenfirsters.

    Remember, currently no one (!!!) on the political scene (with even remote chances of winning) is your friend, simply because you're a man, or better yet - because you're not a woman.
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    Quote Quote from Robert Rebadow View Post
    Yup, left or right, they're all bending over backwards to be as "progressive" as they can be when it comes to female species in the public sphere. Each in their own way, but in the end, they are the same in this regard - womenfirsters.
    There is no progress when women are given special support in order to give them a advantage. Because this creates the fallacy that they're moving somewhere while in reality they didn't earn it with their own merit and would be unlikely to get there.

    The special support, treatment of women and worse, second-rate treatment of men is no progress at all. It's highly flawed. They'll pay a heavy price for this unfair treatment and stupidity unless it's stopped before it's too late.
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    I hope this french asshole does fill these important posts with unqualified femmes and when the french government becomes even more screwed up we will know who is to blame and why.
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    I hope this french asshole does fill these important posts with unqualified femmes and when the french government becomes even more screwed up we will know who is to blame and why.
    Not really, I can already see it: it were those terrible patriarchal surroundings that prevented this great team of even more great females to excel. I mean we are talking about a few women here and if the rest of the country is going along with the great patriarchal conspiracy, how could they succeed?

    Remember, this will always be their excuse. When Hillary will win, you can bet, that her every mistake, failure, etc. will be blamed on the patriarchal environment around her - she was but a mere lone woman in a male-dominated world of politics. Of course she had to do what she did. She had to go to war. She had no choice. She had to this. She had to that. But it was all because she had no choice. Those evil men around her made her do it, women are not really like that. She can start a nuclear war, but in the end it will be blamed on men, patriarchal societies, blah blah blah.
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    Yes I agree but if they never gain power then they will also keep using the excuse that the world would be so much better with women in charge. At least this way we have some hope of proving them wrong. But again I do agree that no matter what it will be considered mens faults whatever the outcome.
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