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    Feminist says Men do not deserve reproductive rights

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    Posted by Misty at Wednesday, May 04, 2011
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    The other day I noticed a picture on Facebook of a young (white, middle-class, Tea Party-supporting) man that I know proudly/happily holding a sign which reads: Men Regret Lost Fatherhood.

    To state the obvious: are there men who regret not going onto fatherhood after an abortion occurs? Sure. Of course there are.

    However.

    This pithy sloganeering is not just some pseudo-sympathetic, vaguely passive-aggressive acknowledgment. It is part of a larger, mendacious narrative.

    It is the fundamental willful ignorance of who is having abortions. These signs are about That Woman. That Woman who is selfish. Who had sex with a Nice Guy and is cruelly going to abort his child. She probably tempted him into the sex, too. It's about That Woman--the one MRAs have built up into being Every Woman: she has no age or individuality or circumstance. Note: this is the same woman who "traps" a man into fatherhood and having to pay child support. Occasionally she is also the same woman who upfront refuses to give her partner what he wants in regards to children.

    This sloganeering ignores, entirely, the fact of reproductive coercion. The cynical side of me reacted to the slogan wondering if all those regretful dudes are the same dudes poking holes in condoms or hiding his partner's birth control:

    Overall, rates of reproductive coercion among family-planning-clinic patients are surprisingly high: about one in five women report their partner having attempted to coerce them into pregnancy.

    Did I say cynical? I meant realistic. The slogan shoves reproductive coercion to the side, under the rug, out of sight--as if it doesn't exist. Which it doesn't, to them. Not really. It's not "reproductive coercion", it's a man asserting his rights to achieve his great and good desire to be a father. The man is the sympathetic character, the woman? Well, she is That Woman.

    So it it really about regretting "lost fatherhood" or lost control? Hmmm.

    Also, it's not just a slogan lamenting what about the menz?! and how men should be able to have control over the medical decisions made by another person, as if that wasn't obnoxious and morally reprobate enough.

    It's the partner slogan for a campaign--yes, a campaign--to force the idea into our collective societal consciousness that "Women DO Regret Abortions", as I discovered when I googled the "Men..." version. Are there women who regret having an abortion? Sure there are. Women are individuals with individual reactions and circumstances. To say that no women, ever, regret having an abortion would be folly. However, is more than folly, it is an outright lie to assert that Women, all of them, who have abortions feel regret. According to the most recent (Jan '11) publication from the esteemed Guttmacher Institute (.pdf):

    Another comprehensive review of the scientific literature, conducted in 2008 by researchers at Johns Hopkins University, likewise found that “the highest-quality research available does not support the hypothesis that abortion leads to long-term mental health problems. Lingering post-abortion feelings of sadness, guilt, regret, and depression appear to occur in only a minority of women.”4(p. 449)

    Guttmacher notes that relief is the most common emotion experienced.

    But back to the fatherhood thing. You know, I do know a couple men, personally, who have expressed regret at their own lost chance at fatherhood. Neither of them were talking about abortion--they were talking about their own behavior. Their own neglect or abandonment of their children. But that sort of regret doesn't make for a pithy protest sign, does it?

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    Footnote. This is why my now 20 year old told me he wanted a vasectomy at age 18. He intends to never have children. NEVER seeing Feminists and how Women have treated the Men in the Family has destroyed his belief in Religion and Women both.

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    Re: Feminist says Men do not deserve reproductive rights

    Thanks for following site posting rules by not fully quoting and supplying a link to the source...




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    Re: Feminist says Men do not deserve reproductive rights

    My uncle went through a similar experience way back when. He got a woman pregnant. He wanted the child, and was going to support the baby and everything. The selfish wench got an abortion, and my mother has told me that to this day he's still a grieving father.

    And I lost a cousin.

    Interesting how they frame this as an issue of "choice." As if murdering an unborn child is a legitimate choice!

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    My uncle went through a similar experience way back when. He got a woman pregnant. He wanted the child, and was going to support the baby and everything. The selfish wench got an abortion, and my mother has told me that to this day he's still a grieving father.

    And I lost a cousin.

    Interesting how they frame this as an issue of "choice." As if murdering an unborn child is a legitimate choice!
    Indeed. On top of that, what right does any person have to kill an unborn child while they could have prevented the whole ordeal if adequate action was taken earlier? With all the contraception available (to prevent a pregnancy and to cancel a pregnancy e.g. morning-after pill) I argue that these kind of people have no right to make such a 'lifestyle' choice because they had the options available and refused, forsaked or failed to take responsibility for their firtility.

    Pro-abortion people sicken me to no end. It is vigorously advocated for as if it is some sort of fundamental basic women's right to kill a baby. When debating or lobbying, it is pretended that abortion saves women's lives. This is just such nonsense. The overwhelming majority of all abortions are a result of lifestyle choices. Those are abortions that have never been neccesary in the first place! Yet, feminists are advocating this unneccesary infanticide - the result of not taking responsibility - is some sort of fundamental women's right...

    Those same feminist that fight tooth and nail to denny men their own birth controll pill.

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    Re: Feminist says Men do not deserve reproductive rights

    This is the original article, which is better formatted and has several interesting links:
    Shakesville: Specious Sloganeering
    The text is © Melissa McEwan


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    Re: Feminist says Men do not deserve reproductive rights

    And naturally comments are closed. Wonder why that is...?

    Bunch of selfish whores, the lot of them (IMO). I am a mother myself. You wouldn't believe how protective I was of my son even while I was pregnant with him!

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    Re: Feminist says Men do not deserve reproductive rights

    Men do not deserve the Pill!! It would be interesting to hear what this feminazi thinks we deserve!! I think milk would curdle if it were to be said from her mouth to gods ears.

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    Re: Feminist says Men do not deserve reproductive rights

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    Specious Sloganeering

    Posted by Misty at Wednesday, May 04, 2011
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    The other day I noticed a picture on Facebook of a young (white, middle-class, Tea Party-supporting) man that I know proudly/happily holding a sign which reads: Men Regret Lost Fatherhood.

    To state the obvious: are there men who regret not going onto fatherhood after an abortion occurs? Sure. Of course there are.
    So the sign is correct?


    However.

    This pithy sloganeering is not just some pseudo-sympathetic, vaguely passive-aggressive acknowledgment. It is part of a larger, mendacious narrative.

    It is the fundamental willful ignorance of who is having abortions. These signs are about That Woman. That Woman who is selfish. Who had sex with a Nice Guy and is cruelly going to abort his child. She probably tempted him into the sex, too. It's about That Woman--the one MRAs have built up into being Every Woman: she has no age or individuality or circumstance. Note: this is the same woman who "traps" a man into fatherhood and having to pay child support. Occasionally she is also the same woman who upfront refuses to give her partner what he wants in regards to children.
    No. The sign says none of these things. You told us it says, " Men Regret Lost Fatherhood." and you acknowledged it to be true. I know I would, if it happened to me.


    The addition of the rest is YOUR projection.

    Though I do accept that SOME women have " ...had sex with a Nice Guy and is cruelly ... abort his child."

    Some women do "tempt" men into sex.

    Suggesting that it is the " same woman who "traps" a man into fatherhood and having to pay child support" is just being silly!!!
    You can't 'trap' a man by having an abortion. That would be ANOTHER women. Probably one of the woman who, as you suggested, "tempt" the man into sex, and then DON'T have an abortion.


    This sloganeering ignores, entirely, the fact of reproductive coercion. The cynical side of me reacted to the slogan wondering if all those regretful dudes are the same dudes poking holes in condoms or hiding his partner's birth control:

    I concede that SOME men may do these things, but you would be wild to suggest that the dude on the facebook page does so, on the basis of the statement.

    Oh, wait a minute. I get it! You are painting the "aborting mother" as a victim.

    She has access to birth control, morning after pill and still requires abortion.


    Overall, rates of reproductive coercion among family-planning-clinic patients are surprisingly high: about one in five women report their partner having attempted to coerce them into pregnancy.

    You should really quote the source of such stats. What is coersion? Do men experience coersion into fatherhood? Since children require two consenting adults in their conception, surely discussion is required. Some partners will disagree. It is a big decision. Feelings will be strong. Some people, men & women, are strong personalities. Yes, some are abusive.



    Did I say cynical? I meant realistic...

    Oh dear! No!


    The slogan shoves reproductive coercion to the side, under the rug, out of sight--as if it doesn't exist. Which it doesn't, to them. Not really. It's not "reproductive coercion", it's a man asserting his rights to achieve his great and good desire to be a father. The man is the sympathetic character, the woman? Well, she is That Woman.
    All that from 4 words. Must be in code.


    So it it really about regretting "lost fatherhood" or lost control? Hmmm.
    Hmmm... It doesn't say control. Hmmm...



    Also, it's not just a slogan lamenting what about the menz?! and how men should be able to have control over the medical decisions made by another person, as if that wasn't obnoxious and morally reprobate enough.

    It's the partner slogan for a campaign--yes, a campaign--to force the idea into our collective societal consciousness that "Women DO Regret Abortions", as I discovered when I googled the "Men..." version...

    You really are upset that this father has issues about the loss? Does he have a right to feel regret? Does he have a right to express regret?



    Are there women who regret having an abortion? Sure there are. Women are individuals with individual reactions and circumstances. To say that no women, ever, regret having an abortion would be folly. However, is more than folly, it is an outright lie to assert that Women, all of them, who have abortions feel regret. According to the most recent (Jan '11) publication from the esteemed Guttmacher Institute (.pdf):

    Another comprehensive review of the scientific literature, conducted in 2008 by researchers at Johns Hopkins University, likewise found that “the highest-quality research available does not support the hypothesis that abortion leads to long-term mental health problems. Lingering post-abortion feelings of sadness, guilt, regret, and depression appear to occur in only a minority of women.”4(p. 449)

    Guttmacher notes that relief is the most common emotion experienced.
    Initially, relief would be universal. Some woman express no regret. Some women experience long term problems. Google it. Get off your soapbox. Denial is also a possibility.



    But back to the fatherhood thing. You know, I do know a couple men, personally, who have expressed regret at their own lost chance at fatherhood. Neither of them were talking about abortion--they were talking about their own behavior. Their own neglect or abandonment of their children. But that sort of regret doesn't make for a pithy protest sign, does it?

    Were they protesting?

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    I tell you what...there are few things that anger me as much as drivel like this. Her "required" reading section is nothing less than poison for the soul. I find it amazing that a lot of these feminists hate the fact that individuals such as myself actually read this stuff, and then instead of being taken in, pick it apart until the whole lot of it falls upon the fire of logic.
    Seems to me that she only wants well brainwashed individuals to provide comments. Typical feminist bullshit....too scared to actually take on a good fight.
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    Re: Feminist says Men do not deserve reproductive rights

    Just tracked back to the original post. Dear me, that lady has issues. When I read her misandry in other posts, I want to shoot myself for being a man.


 

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