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I think I remember you mentioning something about that. I think that's awesome!

Yeah, its kinda unusual for me. I mean, this is a chick who puts clothes on before work rather than taking them off.

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Yeah, its kinda unusual for me. I mean, this is a chick who puts clothes on before work rather than taking them off.

I wish you both much happiness.

My parents have recently been trying to play 'match maker' ...apparently they are not as comfortable with my being single at my age as I am, and so....they recently tried to set me up on a blind date with a wealthy man who, as my parents described, "likes the bar life...likes to party." Incredulously, I thought to myself, "are my parents NUTS?!" They know I am in recovery from drug and alcohol addictions. Sure- set me up with someone who likes the bar life...makes perfect sense!

I know what they were thinking....because the first thing they said about him is that he's wealthy and they went on and on about the buildings/business he owns. I'm not interested in his money and don't want to spend my time in bars or around someone who's drinking a lot. It's hard for me to understand why my parents would want to push me in that direction...money or no money.

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I wish you both much happiness.

My parents have recently been trying to play 'match maker' ...apparently they are not as comfortable with my being single at my age as I am, and so....they recently tried to set me up on a blind date with a wealthy man who, as my parents described, "likes the bar life...likes to party." Incredulously, I thought to myself, "are my parents NUTS?!" They know I am in recovery from drug and alcohol addictions. Sure- set me up with someone who likes the bar life...makes perfect sense!

I know what they were thinking....because the first thing they said about him is that he's wealthy and they went on and on about the buildings/business he owns. I'm not interested in his money and don't want to spend my time in bars or around someone who's drinking a lot. It's hard for me to understand why my parents would want to push me in that direction...money or no money.

like it or not TERA, money does a lot.
Remember the post that you laughed at when I said I seemed to be a lot more attractive when I had a townhouse, a house, and a chrystler 300 on dub dueces. Its true. in many ways, money re enforces confidence. and confidience sells

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I draw the line at having respect for yourself and others and conducting youself accordingly. To use another group for an example. I know a pakistani family, worked on the ROn Paul campaign with the son. We have gone shooting together, Ive eaten at their house, and they are nice people. I would never call them camelhumpers or ragheads. On the other hand, that kid that tried to blow up the building the other day in downtown dallas is a fuckin camelhumping islamofaggot raghead.
comprende, senor?

That does kind of make sense. The only thing I would say is if you use slurs non-ironically as terms of abuse it's not always clear that you only mean the bad ones. But I don't care so much about the words you use so long as you do understand that there is a difference between the good and bad members of whatever group you're describing.

Anyway the fact that you worked on the Ron Paul campaign and that you like to go shooting (and I assume own your own guns) means that we have more in common than you might think.

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like it or not TERA, money does a lot.
Remember the post that you laughed at when I said I seemed to be a lot more attractive when I had a townhouse, a house, and a chrystler 300 on dub dueces. Its true. in many ways, money re enforces confidence. and confidience sells

I hear what you're saying- but I also know that the last thing I want in my life right now is the sort of drama I just spent the last five years figuring out I'm happiest being away from.

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That does kind of make sense. The only thing I would say is if you use slurs non-ironically as terms of abuse it's not always clear that you only mean the bad ones. But I don't care so much about the words you use so long as you do understand that there is a difference between the good and bad members of whatever group you're describing.

Anyway the fact that you worked on the Ron Paul campaign and that you like to go shooting (and I assume own your own guns) means that we have more in common than you might think.

well I might be the only gun owner in america who's arsenal has depleted since the election of homeboy who stole ross perot's ears
right now Im down to a mossberg maverick and a mosin nagant 31 model.
hopefully at xmas I can get myself another ak type weapon.
I dont like pistols to be honest.
but back to the race thing, I guess I feel like in a way I get a pass to say certian things because of where and how I was raised. I talk an equal amount of shit about dumb ass, mullet headed, copper thievin, cousin dating, merle haggard listening, meth cooking billy earls as I do about fleetwood broughm driving, watermelon seed spitting, crack dealing, malt liqour drinking jerome's.

PS ROn Paul was RIGHT

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Don't think they are, to be fair; feminists/separatist dykes seem to target mainly heterosexual men, when it comes to their hatred, and often claim that they oppress gay men; which is all in perfect keeping with their hatred of heterosexual relationships and marriage, and their associated goal of destroying the family.

Maybe so, though when a bunch angry hags say they hate men, I assume they mean all men. In any case, I wouldn't blame gay men for what the separatist dykes said, unless they were directly involved.

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well I might be the only gun owner in america who's arsenal has depleted since the election of homeboy who stole ross perot's ears
right now Im down to a mossberg maverick and a mosin nagant 31 model.
hopefully at xmas I can get myself another ak type weapon.
I dont like pistols to be honest.

Yes, it's been tough to get revolver/pistol ammo since Barak Hussein's election though I did manage to get box of 100 .38 rounds when I was in New Hampshire in June for the Free State Project's Porcupine Festival.

but back to the race thing, I guess I feel like in a way I get a pass to say certian things because of where and how I was raised. I talk an equal amount of shit about dumb ass, mullet headed, copper thievin, cousin dating, merle haggard listening, meth cooking billy earls as I do about fleetwood broughm driving, watermelon seed spitting, crack dealing, malt liqour drinking jerome's.

No problem. I have no beef with stereotype-based humor as long as you're an equal opportunity offender.

PS ROn Paul was RIGHT

There certainly hasn't been a candidate in a major party primary in my lifetime who I agreed with more.

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Looks like we got a 'Harpy' come to roost - and 'he' is pushing the Radical Homosex Agenda just as high and hard as 'he' can shove it. Been here all of 15 minutes and already scolding anyone who fails to pander (including complaining about Ohso to Marx), and even using ungood words to Flame Bait.

But Hark - although there is no introductory post or background provided, 'he' also knows more about Dykes than anyone else here, and can clue us all in as to the difference between the "small minority of dykes that are hateful"... And - the rest of the Dyke World.

Wow - I look forward to reading that post, as well as finding the source for 'his' special insights in to Dyke Misandry and where I can access this research material... That is If it exists outside of 'his' opinions.

But it is the true sign of a fly by 'Harpy Dump' to include the pathetic mewing bit about 'faggots' that moves me so. Not only is it extraneous to the Dyke thread, but a true Red Herring Flame Bait if ever I Smelt one (sorry, the pun was done before I knew I had).

Anywayyyy... By adopting the language of "Ism-Obia" by using a standard feminist / leftist 'shaming' tactic, the goal is that we must all now respond with feelings of sympathy and solidarity with Homo-Anal Coprophiles everywhere. At least according to the party line playbook.

Although it better belongs in another thread, it is now worth cleaning up the dump on this thread by explaining my own objection to the term 'Fag / Faggot' as denigrating to those suffering Homosex Abuse. The epistemology of the term Dyke already having been once addressed, I will save more on that for later.

The book "Tom Brown's School Days" by Thomas Huxley, written in the 19th century about the Rugby School in England, was my first introduction in to the term 'Fag'. In that book fags were the younger boys at the boarding school who were forced to serve the older ones in a hierarchy of privilege and abuse mimicking the social class system. In the later "Flashman" series the fictional hero (lifted from Tom Brown) also discusses his pleasure at "roasting fags" and other traditional sports of the time.

However, as what were then termed 'sodomites' moved in to positions of power and consolidated their hold by placing their homosex compatriots in similar positions; they created a climate of homosex abuse that was able to target the younger boys as their personal sex toys.

Hence to be a 'Fag' morphed from a position of social servitude in a school hierarchy, to one of essential homosex sex-slave / prostitute for a Small but Very Powerful clique of 'sodomites'. Thus, using the term carries the heavy freight of a history of homosex abuse, and as a result I am duly aware of and careful (unlike some) in my usage of it.

Anywayyy... Just can’t wait to read about all the insights in to Dykes (or that small minority who are hateful) that our newbie has to offer. Given the nature of the statement made - there must be a bucket full of facts 'he' can point us all to that we can independently research and verify. Ahem.

Oh - By the Way - the SLUR "Straight" employed by our brand new scold 'mr. sensitive' is one that I find truly offensive, not just because it is an empty sanitized euphemism with no inherent meaning save the political baggage heaped upon it.

Rather, it is the intentional juxtaposition of slurs against those rigidly linear, narrow, and unbending 'Straights' - versus the light hearted and gaily happy homosex crowd, which is simply another extension of the radical homosex mau mau game of defeating Ungood Ideas through enforcement of proper political euphemism.

Best keep quiet about it though, wouldn't want to spread any "Ism-Obia" now would we. What with everything else going around and all.

Ohso
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

PS - I Really, Really would like to read more about "the small minority of Dykes who are Hateful' - and what specifically distinguishes them from the rest???
Provided the Background Information even exists of course, and it all isn't just a Big Lie to Mau Mau Ohso. But then who would do that on a MRA board?

Responded to here.

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Responded to - 'Elsewhere'

Ahh Ah Mewster - no links, no hoops to jump through at your direction.

You can post your Facts to back up your Feelings right here.

However - as a brand newbie, it is first in order that you visit the "Introduce Yourself" section of AM and fill us all in on your background.

For example - do you post anywhere else and perhaps use a different Screen Name?

Regardless - I am not as yet interested visiting any of your links, you came here to dump on these boards, and can continue on this board until you either 'prove up' or are filtered and ignored. Your Choice.

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I wish you both much happiness.

My parents have recently been trying to play 'match maker' ...apparently they are not as comfortable with my being single at my age..."are my parents NUTS?!" They know I am in recovery from drug and alcohol addictions...

Tera - we all know you have personal issues, and sometimes work these boards as therapy - but expressing your anger at a Thread Subject and Content by trying to change the topic to your own private life is insulting, and simply abusive of the system and process here.

You can always Ignore me, or turn a blind eye to these threads - but acting as a Censor because you are angry at the factual content of a board (even through the back door of discussing your parents and substance issues) is beyond the pale.

We know this because there are both Instant Messages and Email available for these private side chats - but you instead choose to make them public as filler for your attempted filibuster.

There is discourtesy to individuals, which is water off a ducks back to me...
- and then there is discourtesy to the rules for a level playing field in the operation of the message boards - which insults all others sharing the boards according to those rules, regardless of how angry they may be at any other poster.

Sex Degrees of Separation?

In the hopes of providing an example for novice MRA’s on understanding a classic Thought Policing scam, it is worth running the numbers as it were on the debate dodge commonly known as the ‘Degrees of Separation vs. Common Agenda’ syllogism.

An example can be found in the perennial question about one who “Sups with the devil, needs just how a long spoon’?

Of course such inquiry is predicated upon the notion that there is such a thing as knowable good and evil, right and wrong, moral behavior and depravity… And it is of course further understood that amongst those for whom everything is supremely relative to their own immediate personal gratification –the question lacks relevance.

Butt – and as the say in the fashion industry, this is a Big Butt; for those who believe that Evil does exist and they have a Moral duty to recognize and oppose it – the question is highly relevant, if not relative.

Sooooo… Here we go! And to assist in providing readily definable extremes for comparison, I will ask for the assistance of two conveniently dead white misandrists – Allen Ginsberg and Valerie Solanas; who as many MRAs know is the author of the “SCUM” (Society for Cutting Up Men) Manifesto, a literal bible for the Separatist / Exterminationist Feminist Misandry Machine.

Allen Ginsberg is somewhat better known as the hippie “Beat Poet” of the “Summer of Love” in Frisco – and his prominence as a NAMBLA (north American man boy homosexual rape club) leader and its bard (author of the poem – “young boy, give me you’re a$$”) who advocated sex with Boys as young as Two Years Old (all OK by Kinsey’s bible), is something that the old media keep completely shut about.

Sooooo… Solanas the Exterminationist and Ginsberg the Coprophile Pederast serve as the ‘Anything Goes’ wing of the Radical Gender Feminist / Homosex political lobby. I can assure all that in places like my home town of Frisco that they are not just revered but widely emulated; and inclusion of their predilections is just as much a part of the mainstream establishment democratic party ‘Homosexual Rights’ agenda as any others.

Soooo… You are now invited to make common ground in fighting Misandry with those who are in favor of what they term ‘homosexual rights’, and who champion homosexual friends who engage in behaviors you think are quite wrong, but which are not quite as extreme as Ginsberg / Solanas.

Here we get to the difference between Degrees of Separation and Common Agenda. For it may be correct to say that the homosexual ‘friend’ does not act out as extreme behaviors as Ginsberg / Solanas, and thus has a degree of separation in behavior – but the important question is whether or not they Reject them for inclusion as part of the ‘homosexual rights’ agenda they are pushing.

Seeee… A ‘friend’ you sit at the table and break bread with may not actually proudly rape two year old boys like Ginsberg – but may well promote Ginsberg’s Rights to do so under the big rainbow banner of ‘tolerance’ for all ‘gay’ lifestyles.

In fact this is an argument that has long been made for inclusion of NAMBLA in Frisco Pride parades and the like – that those who have felt the sting of exclusion because of their sex practices do not want to discriminate against their ‘gay’ brothers and systers, even Ginsberg / Solanas types.

Thus – Can ‘a friend’ who themselves draw a line engaging in extreme behaviors such as raping two year old Boys like Ginsberg, or Exterminating Men like Solanas…

– But Still Supports Inclusion of the behaviors of Ginsberg / Solanas under the big rainbow agenda…

– Really be distinguished in from those who act out the behaviors –at least enough to make a moral difference.

Soooo… Back to the length of the spoon needed to share supper with someone and not be splattered with – ‘Ism-Obia’… Ahem.

How about if you only dine with those who support the Devil in all the details, but leave him hidden in the wings when it comes to dinnertime?

OR – to provide the ‘executive summary’ version:
Are there any of You Folks who have limit lines for what is acceptable with these type (Solanas / Ginsberg) Behaviors…

– And if so, why do you still support the political agenda of those who do find then acceptable and who advocate for them?

Ohso.
Not merely the validity of experience but the very existence of external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense. George Orwell 1984 On the Thought Police.

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Ahh Ah Mewster - no links, no hoops to jump through at your direction.

You can post your Facts to back up your Feelings right here.

However - as a brand newbie, it is first in order that you visit the "Introduce Yourself" section of AM and fill us all in on your background.

For example - do you post anywhere else and perhaps use a different Screen Name?

Regardless - I am not as yet interested visiting any of your links, you came here to dump on these boards, and can continue on this board until you either 'prove up' or are filtered and ignored. Your Choice.

That link is for another thread on this forum: What is stopping the mens movement from making significant gains?

I didn't think it was necessary to double post it but since it means that much to you here's a copy of what I said there:

I didn't start the personal attacks, unless you consider my first post that contained a mild criticism of gay bashing, without mentioning you by name, a personal attack on you. If so, I'm sorry you took it that way. In any case I am willing to stop the personal attacks if you are and I have no desire to police your speech, if you are willing to stop policing mine. If that is not reasonable enough, then what is?

As for proving that vast majority of dykes are not the hateful scum that the ones you showed are, when you make a blanket accusation about a large group based on a small sample, the burden of proof is on you. If I said Louis Farrahkhan and the Nation of Islam don't speak for most black people, or that Ku Klux Klan members do not speak for most white people, I would not need research to back up those claims, would I?

As for my history with the Men's Rights Movement I admit I am new. I have never claimed otherwise, nor to speak for anyone other than myself. However, I do recognize men like Glenn Sacks and Robert Franklin as legitimate and highly respected leaders. Do you believe that they are closet feminists? If so, please explain how and why. If not, then I don't see how I can be a closet feminist just for agreeing with them.

I have posted as joe_m on the Free State Project Forum, joem on Barbara Ehrenreich's Forum (where I mostly defended capitalism), and archdude on Wrong Planet. There are other places where I've left a single comment under one of these names or something similar. I can't remember them all. I do know for sure that I have never seen anyone named Ohso before joining this forum and I doubt I've encountered Ohso using a different screen name.