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    The Definition of Anti-Feminism

    The Definition of Anti-Feminism

    Anti-feminists are "woman haters" and people who want to dispute women's rights. This is a picture that floats in many people's minds. The origin of this false assumption is the subjective meaning of the word "feminism" and we may derive from it an understanding of what "anti-feminism" probably must be. Many people have a pretty one-dimensional, almost childishly naive, idea of what feminism is. Feminism is for women and their rights and whoever is against feminism should naturally also be against women. At least that is the conclusion which emerges from this simple, crude definition. However, in what follows, we will see that this definition is not only false, but also fundamentally different from reality.


    This so-called feminism is put in place to ridicule men as soon as they formulate even legitimate claims for their own sex. With its network of Equal Opportunity Offices and those responsible, it distributes money always in such a way only to serve the female population, and above all is missing at any place where boys and men have to deal with existential problems which require urgent assistance. This so-called feminism will certainly put a monopoly on suffering in the hands of women and excludes men as a gender from compassion of society. In this respect, feminism can confidently be called "gynocentric hegemony." The breeding ground for this hegemony is a perversion of the celebrated Victim-narcissism which, by definition, explains women as eternal victims, and men as eternal perpetrators. A victim is weak, and it raises the question of what should be attractive to assume its role. A victim can also make requests without ever taking responsibility. And even if the victim manages to rise above its tormentors, so the victim may enjoy all the benefits of the weak and the powerful simultaneously, without having to acquire the disadvantages. The resurrected victim remains victim in spite of all acquired powers, is acquitted of any responsibility or guilt, and is even above criticism. The victim therefore mutates to holy with absolute interpretative authority and inviolability. Consider this, on one hand; women today are constantly put on a pedestal, hailed as Alpha-empowered girls, whereas men are vilified as useless flesh, violent, and impulsive. Consider on the other hand the enthusiasm with which again and again the mantric role of the victim is cemented with women.


    This schizophrenic Feminine Mystique has a system. It defines men as the oppressors, but inferior, whereas the definition of women is one of a nobler and purer people who rise above their oppressors. Basically, this structure can be described as fascistic with a quiet conscience. And just as it should be for an ideology, it is all connected obviously with a promise of salvation. A by women dominated and from "male principle “freed world must be a better one, what else. The feminist interpretative authority is thus at once legitimized in three ways: first, by the victim, secondly, by the woman as the "better human", and thirdly by the promise of salvation in a better, more feminine world. What privileges can't be justified with the elimination of discrimination, can optionally also with female superiority, be justified.


    What do anti-feminists stand for? Your enemy is not women, and here is why. Feminism today has to do with women as much as the Socialist Party has to do with the working class. Feminism is neither concerned with the population of women as a whole. Likewise, feminism doesn't stand for disputed basic human rights. Anti-feminism today can therefore not be equated with misogyny. The outcry of some left-wing extremist says that anti-feminists try to turn back the wheel to dispute women's emancipation and push them back into the kitchen, is almost considered comical. Why should anti-feminists want this? Why would men like this? Women at the stove and men in the factory? What man wants that? What anti-feminists want is the end of the Zeitgeist in which women are holy and men who speak are demonized. Anti-feminists want the end of a policy which promotes women yet disciplines men. Anti-feminists demand that men are given the same humanity, the same compassion, and the same support as women. So? Are these claims so bad?


    Translated from German Antifeminismus.
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    Re: [Translated from German] The Definition of Anti-Feminism

    Excellent, another good explanation of the feminist hegemony and it's affect..

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    Re: [Translated from German] The Definition of Anti-Feminism

    Great translation, thanks a lot! I didn't notice you finished the translation until now.
    ~ Support Fathers & Families for Father's Rights and Equal Parenting! Go to fathersandfamilies.org ~

    ~ Fathers & FamiliesTM improves the lives of children and strengthens society by protecting the child’s right to the love and care of both parents after separation or divorce. ~

    ~ Feminism = Every bad thing any man has ever committed highlighted and exaggerated; every bit of good systematically undermined, vilified or ignored. ~

    ~ A man needs a woman like a lion needs a stove. ~

    ~ Women deserve only equal opportunity, not equal outcomes. ~

    ~ Men are not collectively "guilty" of anything. ~

    ~ Never needing to be pregnant is a blessing. ~

    ~ Feminist ideology “men have to respect women, but women have no reason to respect men” ~

    ~ Everybody makes choices, and nobody should be entitled to special treatment because of those choices.
    Equal results based on unequal treatment amounts to no kind of equality at all. ~

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    Re: The Definition of Anti-Feminism

    Anyone have the original German???

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    Anyone have the original German???
    The link was at the bottom; Antifeminismus.
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    Re: The Definition of Anti-Feminism

    Four paragraphs detailing what we all already know, but unfortunately, not everyone knows this. Me? I'm still at the "mulling things over" stage. Epic debate skills take time, but when I'm ready, I've got ideas to teach what we know to John and Joan Q. Public. This paragraph? Saving it.

    If this sounds stupid, it proves that I shouldn't post here past midnight.
    Don't be surprised if you don't see me often. Constantly being exposed to this kinda thing sorta depresses me.
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    Re: The Definition of Anti-Feminism

    I've improved the translation, because there were some rough and inaccurate parts. If you find any errors, let me know.
    ~ Support Fathers & Families for Father's Rights and Equal Parenting! Go to fathersandfamilies.org ~

    ~ Fathers & FamiliesTM improves the lives of children and strengthens society by protecting the child’s right to the love and care of both parents after separation or divorce. ~

    ~ Feminism = Every bad thing any man has ever committed highlighted and exaggerated; every bit of good systematically undermined, vilified or ignored. ~

    ~ A man needs a woman like a lion needs a stove. ~

    ~ Women deserve only equal opportunity, not equal outcomes. ~

    ~ Men are not collectively "guilty" of anything. ~

    ~ Never needing to be pregnant is a blessing. ~

    ~ Feminist ideology “men have to respect women, but women have no reason to respect men” ~

    ~ Everybody makes choices, and nobody should be entitled to special treatment because of those choices.
    Equal results based on unequal treatment amounts to no kind of equality at all. ~

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    Good set of perceptions and arguments. Excellent article.

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    Interesting article. I agree muchly. I'm a woman, but not at all a feminist, and I want to see myself and be seen as an ally of men, not an enemy.

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    Re: The Definition of Anti-Feminism

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    Interesting article. I agree muchly. I'm a woman, but not at all a feminist, and I want to see myself and be seen as an ally of men, not an enemy.
    You are not an enemy of men, women aren't REALLY the enemies of men, but feminist-minded women and men are. Most feminists are women, but most women are not feminists. That is what I try to remind myself constantly. Feminism is a direct form of Marxist Socialism, and Socialism is the enemy of all humanity. It seeks to enslave men and women, and rob them of their children, by substituting the mother and father with the state. It is about degrading manhood/masculinity, womanhood/femininity, and parenthood altogether, and destroying the family unit, the pillar that holds society together.
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    Re: The Definition of Anti-Feminism

    La définition de l'anti-féminisme


    1. La définition de l'anti-féminismeLes anti-féministes sont des «ennemis de la femme» et les personnes qui désirent contester les droits des femmes. Ceci est l'image qui flotte dans l'esprit des gens. L'origine de cette fausse hypothèse est la signification subjective du mot «féminisme» et l'on peut tirer d'elle une compréhension de ce «anti-féminisme »doit probablement être. Beaucoup de gens ont une pensée uni-dimensionnelle, presque d'une naïveté infantile, de ce que le féminisme peut être. Le féminisme est pour les femmes et leurs droits et celui qui est contre le féminisme doit naturellement aussi être contre les femmes. C'est du moins la conclusion qui se dégage de cette définition, simple et brut. Toutefois, dans ce qui suit, nous allons voir que cette définition est non seulement fausse, mais aussi fondamentalement différente de la réalité.


      Ce soit disant
      féminisme est mis en place pour ridiculisé les hommes dès qu'ils formule des revendications légitimes, même pour leur propre sexe. Avec son réseau de bureaux de l'égalité des débouchés et leur responsables, elle distribue l'argent toujours dans le but de servir la population féminine, et surtout quand il en manque à tout les endroits où les garçons et les hommes doivent faire face à des problèmes existentiels qui nécessitent une assistance urgente. Ce soi disant féminisme va certainement mettre un monopole de la souffrance dans les mains des femmes et les hommes serrons le sexe exclue de la compassion de la société. À cet égard, on peut appelé le féminisme, en toute confiance de "l'hégémonie matriarcal". Le terreau de cette hégémonie est une perversion de la célèbre victime narcissique qui, par définition, représente les femmes comme d'éternelles victimes, et les hommes en tant que bourreaux éternelle. Une victime est perçue comme faible, et il soulève la question de ce qui doit être attrayant pour assumer son rôle. Une victime peut faire des demandes sans jamais en prendre la responsabilité. Et même si la victime parvient à s'élever au-dessus de ses bourreaux, de sorte que la victime peut bénéficier de tous les avantages des faibles et des tout puissants en même temps, sans avoir à subir les inconvénients qui en découle. La victime reste une victime ressuscitée en dépit de tous les pouvoirs acquis, est acquitté de toute responsabilité ou de culpabilité, et même au-dessus des critiques. La victime subit une mutation donc sainte avec l'autorité absolue d'interprétation et de l'inviolabilité. Considérez ceci, d'une part, les femmes d'aujourd'hui sont constamment mis sur un piédestal, salué comme filles Alpha-pouvoir, alors que les hommes sont vilipendés comme chair inutile, violent et impulsif. Considérons d'autre part l'enthousiasme avec lequel, encore et encore le rôle mantra de la victime est cimenté avec les femmes.


      Ce schizophrène féminin mystique dispose d'un système. Elle définit les hommes comme les oppresseurs, mais inférieure, tandis que la définition de la femme est l'un des plus noble et plus pure des gens qui se lèvent au-dessus de leurs oppresseurs. Fondamentalement, cette structure peut être décrite comme fasciste avec une conscience tranquille. Et comme il se doit pour une idéologie, tout est relié évidemment avec une promesse de salut. Un monde dominée par les femmes et liberé du «principe mâle» doit être meilleur, quoi d'autre. Les interpretations des autorités
      féministes sont donc à la fois légitimé de trois façons: premièrement, par la victime, d'autre part, par la femme comme "l'être supérieure", et enfin par la promesse de salut dans un monde meilleur, un monde plus féminine. Quels sont les privilèges qui ne peuvent pas être justifiées par l'élimination de la discrimination, peut éventuellement aussi l'être avec la supériorité des femmes, être justifiée.


      Qu'est-ce que anti-féministes représente? Votre ennemi n'est pas les femmes, et voici pourquoi. Le féminisme d'aujourd'hui a à voir avec les femmes autant que le Parti Socialiste a à voir avec la classe ouvrière. Le féminisme n'est ni concernés par la population des femmes dans son ensemble. De même, le féminisme n'essaye pas contesté les droits humains fondamentaux. L'anti-féminisme d'aujourd'hui ne peut donc pas être assimilée à la misogynie. Le tollé de certains extrémistes de gauche dit que les anti-féministes essaye de tourner la roue en arrière et de contester l'émancipation des femmes et de les faire rentrer dans la cuisine, est presque considéré comme comique. Pourquoi les anti-féministes voudrais cela? Pourquoi les hommes aimerais ça? Les femmes au foyer et les hommes dans l'usine? Quel homme voudrais ça? Ce que les anti-féministes veulent, c'est la fin du Zeitgeist dans lequel les femmes sont saints et les hommes qui parlent sont diabolisés. Les anti-féministes veulent la fin d'une politique qui mets les femmes sur un piédestal et qui cause préjudice aux hommes du même coup. Les anti-féministes demande que les hommes soit vue comme ayant la même humanité, la même compassion, et les même soutiens que les femmes. Alors? Ces demandes sont ils si exagéré?

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    A few problems with this article:

    1) "This schizophrenic Feminine Mystique has a system". Your essay has nothing to do with people suffering from Schizophrenia, please don't use their lives as a conversational analogy, and as an adjective for "acting without reason". Their lives are hard enough. This sends a message to all people with mental disabilities: "You are illogical/stupid/etc".

    2) "With its network of Equal Opportunity Offices and those responsible, it distributes money always in such a way only to serve the female population". Equal opportunities offices focus on helping women as one of their stated goals, simply because right now in this point in time, women need that help to get in the workplace and help stimulate the economy. But lots of people need that help, both men and women alike! These offices create jobs and opportunities for minorities, people with disabilities, and people who are veterans of war (that's just naming a few examples). Other examples of equal opportunity's helpful affects are just about every building in america is designed to be accessible by both the able-bodied population, and the population with disabilities (think of sidewalk ramps, or 'curb cuts'. Without these, people with wheelchairs could not get on and off of sidewalks). Lots of men and boys utilize the services provided by equal opportunity offices...


    So, points 1 and 2 really make me have to wonder: Are Men's Rights Activists allies to the men and women who have physical and mental disabilities, men and women who need assistance, tolerance, and respect?


    3) "The breeding ground for this hegemony is a perversion of the celebrated Victim-narcissism which, by definition, explains women as eternal victims, and men as eternal perpetrators". You, yourself, said men are a victim of feminist oppression. So....are men guilty of victim-narcissism? Are both men AND women victim-narcissists? Is every single person who recognizes discrimination and fights for equality and an end to that discrimination a victim-narcissist? Is Martin Luther King Jr. a victim-narcissist? Clearly the answer for all these questions is no. The only logical thing to assume, is that the whole "Victim-narcissism" diagnosis is the stupidest idea ever. Nobody enjoys being the victim of bullying. Usually when people complain, its to make their voices heard about problems affecting their lives. Plus a lot of feminist demands are extremely specific ("We want 50% female congresswomen)....typical of people who argue with a very specific cause they are working towards, rather than people just floundering in hatred.

    Yes, theres some feminists who sometimes get overcome with frustrations and just lash out and "explode" (nobody's perfect, you know?), but their anger is typically not directed at men. Feminists lash out at the very specific privileges men don't realize they have. Sometimes, women hate the fact that we live in a world where walking through a parking garage alone is way more terrifying for women than it is for men. I don't hate my dad for not ever experiencing that fear, but I hate living in a world where women routinely live in fear. And getting angry from being discriminated against....well all MRA's can relate to that one.

    and #4, the most damning point of all this article:

    4) "Feminism today has to do with women as much as the Socialist Party has to do with the working class". The feminism you referred to in article, the man-hating "men are scum" cruel female-superiority-complex feminism, is generally referred to as "second wave feminism". It pretty much died in 1968, and was hated by all men, most women, and most feminists. A very small, very loud number of feminists said a lot of bad things about men, things that didn't really make sense. Like blaming specific people for things they actions not committed. I'm a feminist, and I hate valerie solanas and would spit on her grave for her remarks.

    But aside from 1968 feminism, your article didn't mention a single thing about MODERN feminism. I'd like everyone to know that modern feminism is dedicated to advancing women's rights AND advancing men's rights. But above all, their most important goal is to eliminate inequality between groups. Sometimes this involves using measures that seem unfair if you are a member of dominant group. Especially if you have yet to notice any real physical benefits from membership in the dominant group.

    For example: if there is only 1 senator who's a woman in all of the US, the government could approve a series of billboard on the highway that say "theres nothing stopping little girls from growing up to be the president someday!" in the hopes that it encourages more women to be senators. Someday in the future, when there's 50% men and 50% women senators,the government can take down the billboards. But until then, its clear and painfully obvious that men have enough courage to be senators, and women do not, and the billboards are there to rectify a problem. And adding a billboard that says "Theres nothing stopping little kids from growing up to be the president someday!" will not have the same message to little girls. In fact, since boys already know they can be the president, and girls will probably assume its not directed at them, it would be a huge waste of money. However, if you ARE an unconfident boy, and you see the billboard directed towards little girls, it may seem, from your perspective, that it is unfair. But lets just remember to "zoom out" and look at society as a whole.





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    Families don't have to be one man and one woman. Some families have two men, two women, one man, or one woman, or whatever. As long as everyone loves and respects the children, thats good enough for me.

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    Excellent article.

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    "Feminists lash out at the very specific privileges men don't realize they have. Sometimes, women hate the fact that we live in a world where walking through a parking garage alone is way more terrifying for women than it is for men. I don't hate my dad for not ever experiencing that fear, but I hate living in a world where women routinely live in fear. And getting angry from being discriminated against....well all MRA's can relate to that one."

    I am a woman and your argument here is invalid. One of the only people I know who is a rape survivor is a MAN and he was gang raped WHERE: in a fucking parking garage. So, maybe you should educate yourself instead of parroting crap like ...

    "But aside from 1968 feminism, your article didn't mention a single thing about MODERN feminism. I'd like everyone to know that modern feminism is dedicated to advancing women's rights AND advancing men's rights. But above all, their most important goal is to eliminate inequality between groups. Sometimes this involves using measures that seem unfair if you are a member of dominant group. Especially if you have yet to notice any real physical benefits from membership in the dominant group."

    You do understand that this is MARXISM, don't you? And, if you were at all educated you would know that Marxism is a failed ideology. You CAN'T eliminate inequality between groups - (well Mao tried and we know how that worked out don't we?). That is the main reason why mras are becoming necessary. Feminism isn't about women's rights, it's about forcing others to accept a belief system that isn't based in reality. That is why people hate feminism - because it denies the autonomy of those that disagree with them. And frankly, feminists like to hold extremist views like "fat acceptance", and they treat real rape survivors like shit (How do I know? Cause I am a stranger rape survivor, but feminists hate me because I call out their bullshit.) See, Unreg feminists don't give a shit about advancing women's rights - they are trying to take other people's rights away. Period.

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    "Feminists lash out at the very specific privileges men don't realize they have.
    Yup. Thank God a feminist is on hand to point out the privileges we have. As a man I obviously have so little understanding of life - so glad there are feminists around to show me the basics. Of course feminists know there are no drawbacks to being a man - how could it be possible that they have missed anything, with their incredible empathic abilities?

    Perhaps they are only any good at recognising their own feelings echoed back to them.

    On an unconnected point;
    Marx - AM has run funding drives in the past. Is it worth having a campaign to "remember AM in your will"? Lots of us aren't getting any younger, and even though I get my medical as and when the NHS condescends to allow me access to the service I've paid for, there's a load of cash that I can't take with me. The British Legion offers a will writing service for potential donors. Worth it?


 

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