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"Who wants sex more"? Since when was that ever the issue-at-hand? "Exploit the sex trade"? Such a favoured word, 'exploit', when it comes to demonising men; not least of all, for their sexual desire. Equating using prostitutes, to sexual crimes? Yes, that has the letters f-e-m-i-n-i-s-t written all over it........

B-b-but she apologised! so we should forgive her and welcome her with open arms!!!!!!!111!1112!

Nice to be able to read the comments from the good doctor as she definitely has expertise in that area and not easily fooled..

I read her apology. It’s not an apology.Apologies never include the word, “but.” What’s more, she is still defending her actions.
This woman, with her disingenuous apology, is more dangerous than the other bigots on R-H. Why? Because she was able to con some folks with her expedient crocodile tears and dubious mea culpa.
She’s not sorry for what she did. She’s sorry she’s being publicly called out for it. Big difference.

The rest of that assessment wraps it up just nicely..

Quote from Duran

B-b-but she apologised! so we should forgive her and welcome her with open arms!!!!!!!111!1112!

No one said that.

Forgiveness was encouraged, at least the benefit of the doubt, to give her the opportunity to prove herself. Not sure where you got welcoming her with open arms.

Instead we got a WHOLE lot of, she MUST be lying!!! Look what she said!!!! Look, Look! She's a feminist!!! I'm not listening lalalalalalalalala!

Whether her apology was sincere or not became completely irrelevant. If she were teetering on the edge of what was familiar to her, and a new, completely different paradigm, you all made absolutely certain she would come back down on the side she was familiar with.

You've created a self-fulfilling prophecy. Congratulations.

And coming down on Percy with a mountain of shaming language (mostly Popadibs) when he tried to be a voice of reason, is hypocritical in the extreme.

Quote from KellyMac

No one said that.

Forgiveness was encouraged, at least the benefit of the doubt, to give her the opportunity to prove herself. Not sure where you got welcoming her with open arms.

Instead we got a WHOLE lot of, she MUST be lying!!! Look what she said!!!! Look, Look! She's a feminist!!! I'm not listening lalalalalalalalala!

Whether her apology was sincere or not became completely irrelevant. If she were teetering on the edge of what was familiar to her, and a new, completely different paradigm, you all made absolutely certain she would come back down on the side she was familiar with.

You've created a self-fulfilling prophecy. Congratulations.

Actually it was more than obvious that her apology was bullshit, it's YOU, who took the "IM NOT LISTENING HERP DERP DERP" route, not us, we tried to explain to you why her apology was bullshit, why it wasn't sincere and even pointed out FACTS to back this up.

What you proposed was nothing more than "Lets just accept her apology without acknowledging the fact her apology included threats, lies and crocodile tears".

Also another feminist shaming tactic here, take notice folks, it's MY fault not HER fault that she's a bigoted, anti-male sexist.

I never created anything, I simply observed from the outside and gave my opinion based on facts I saw and reading between the lines, I don't know how you came to the conclusion that this is MY fault, absurd.

Quote from Duran

Lets just agree to disagree.

I don't disagree with you for I've read accounts on men's sites where mothers and sisters did terrible things to the men as feminists. I don't have anything nice to say about these women.

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Y'know, yesterday was a down day for one of the supportive women was beaten to death, raped and torched (set alight) and men went to the court case of the man who did this (started yesterday) - she had told others she was fearful of a man she dated but it was bad timing to help.

After the courtcase one MRA rented a 6 bedroom house for a men's refuge and already it's filled. (great stuff - another NZ man here built a men's refuge some time ago)......

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For me, it's difficult to just stand for one side when it comes to heterosexual men and women because I can understand what women are going through and I can empathise with what men are going through - both men victims and perpetrators.

But I will always stand up for men in my family before anyone else in the world.

Quote from KellyMac

No one said that.

Forgiveness was encouraged, at least the benefit of the doubt, to give her the opportunity to prove herself. Not sure where you got welcoming her with open arms.

Instead we got a WHOLE lot of, she MUST be lying!!! Look what she said!!!! Look, Look! She's a feminist!!! I'm not listening lalalalalalalalala!

Whether her apology was sincere or not became completely irrelevant. If she were teetering on the edge of what was familiar to her, and a new, completely different paradigm, you all made absolutely certain she would come back down on the side she was familiar with.

You've created a self-fulfilling prophecy. Congratulations.

Or maybe it was projective identification on her part?

So no matter what it is never her fault? What if she had done this after we all had embraced her? What would you have done then?

Why is it our job to accept her? You willingly decide to side with someone who you know vilified men, yet, you vilify us for condemning her?

KellyMac, either you should change your name to KellyPC because you're slow or you're slow like a fox... believe it or not, I think you know damn well what you're doing. You aren't stupid at all, you're just a feminist. You remind me so much of a relative of mine it makes me sick. You can't ever be wrong, can you?

Quote from julie

I don't disagree with you

...But you did disagree with me, lol.

She pussy passed you.

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Yeah I don't know much about this Kelly person but from what I've just seen, she absolutely reeks of feminism, that post claiming I'm to blame for another persons bigoted, sexist views is just textbook feminism 101.

Quote from Popadibs

So no matter what it is never her fault? What if she had done this after we all had embraced her? What would you have done then?

No, what she did, she did. No one made her do it. It was her choice.

I never asked anyone to embrace her, I asked for the benefit of the doubt. I never said this was your (collective) fault.

She could very well have been giving lip service just to get off the list. I have to say that the analysis of her apology including the word, "but", was convincing.

None of that is the point. The point is that anyone who thinks that MRA's are so full of anger and resentment that they can do nothing but hate women can point to what just happened and say, "See? We're right".

Knee-jerk reactions almost never end well.

Quote from KellyMac

No, what she did, she did. No one made her do it. It was her choice.

I never asked anyone to embrace her, I asked for the benefit of the doubt. I never said this was your (collective) fault.

She could very well have been giving lip service just to get off the list. I have to say that the analysis of her apology including the word, "but", was convincing.

None of that is the point. The point is that anyone who thinks that MRA's are so full of anger and resentment that they can do nothing but hate women can point to what just happened and say, "See? We're right".

Knee-jerk reactions almost never end well.

She had no place here.

Duran is a new member as well and he's learning as well.

Why is bringing a faker on as an ally more important to you than bringing on Duran, who is sincere, as an ally?

Quote from Duran

Yeah I don't know much about this Kelly person but from what I've just seen, she absolutely reeks of feminism, that post claiming I'm to blame for another persons bigoted, sexist views is just textbook feminism 101.

I have written more for this cause than you know. If you can't see that you just look for arguments to prove you're right, then no one can help you.

Quote from Popadibs

She had no place here.

Duran is a new member as well and he's learning as well.

Why is bringing a faker on as an ally more important to you than bringing on Duran, who is sincere, as an ally?

Because we need all the help we can get. Clearly I was wrong about Jenna. But what if I weren't?

Quote from KellyMac

And coming down on Percy with a mountain of shaming language (mostly Popadibs) when he tried to be a voice of reason, is hypocritical in the extreme.

Who am I to argue with you on extreme hypocrisy? After all, you're the expert. It is hypocritical to applaud a faker, Jenna, for admitting her mistakes while simultaneously not admitting your mistakes in believing in her and verbally doting those of us that did not.

I actually respect julie more than you or Jenna because at least julie doesn't pretend and try to hide the fact that she's a feminist. Talking about mountains; mountain your ass outta here.