Article: Confession Time

**christianj** · 31st-January-2012

Finally a confession on two fronts.

One. We have always stated that feminism is NOT about equality..

Quote - "Radical feminists seek liberation from men and their system, not equality."

Two. Male feminists are not wanted in the feminist movement. Here we have just that, straight from the horses mouths..

An Open Letter Regarding A Radical Profeminist and Other Would-Be Helpers”

This is an open letter about men who claim to be feminist and to the women who believe them. This letter is directed at women who — without any analysis or criteria — believe men who claim to be feminist. This letter is not directed at anybody else, so please ensure that you are indeed a member of the intended audience before replying. This letter has been written with the cooperation of 28 radical feminists, all of whom should be familiar to those who frequent radical feminist spaces. We are rather serious today, about a rather serious harm being committed with impunity.

First, you need to know why we have a valid reason for being concerned about the behavior of self-identified feminist men within feminist spaces, and our answer is simple: We have identified the subtle mechanisms utilized by pro-feminist men to “divide and conquer”, to erase the commonality from all women within feminist spaces and whose cumulative effect results in a gross marginalization of the radical feminist position. Nor are we are the only women to notice a problem. Megan Milanese brilliantly describes most of the tactics here — yet that list does not go far enough to analyze the extent of the problem.

So why should an erasure of the commonality inherent to all women matter to anyone besides radical feminists? Lucky Nickel makes the relevant connection for us:

Self-naming and self-identified labels mean nothing. There must be substance to the label they identify with and substance to who they claim to be. Otherwise folks can insist on calling a mouse a giraffe or claim rape is really love.
What I do think important to note is that liberals, lesbian separatists and radical feminists are all flying the radfem flag these days. The problem being, they are 3 separate and distinct political groups and ideologies, 2 of whom are inappropriately waving the radfem flag. It can get a bit tricky tho with lesbian separatists as radical feminists can also be lesbian separatists. But not all lesbians are radfems and not all radfems are lesbian separatists, or even lesbian for that matter. But in Julian Real’s case, that would be irrelevant. The dude is not a lesbian or radical feminist.

What the dude is, is liberal. And what he is attempting to do is appropriate the radical feminist label in order to inject liberal ideology. Equality politics are liberal politics, not radical feminist politics. Radical feminists seek liberation from men and their system, not equality. Liberals focus on differences between women. Radical feminists focus on the commonality of women. Needless to say, these 2 different ideologies conflict and clash. Which delights men like Julian Real to no end. Cuz if he keeps liberal women pitted against radical feminist women, it keeps women from unifying, which in turn keeps the heat off of pricks like him and men in general. Slick, no?

In talking to each other privately, we have decided to collectively communicate the following message regarding Julian Real, Hugo Schwyzer, and other men like them who claim to be feminist allies. These men do not speak for women as well as we can speak for ourselves and we ask that you give radical feminist bloggers the respect of reading our words, joining the discussion in comments on our blogs, and contributing to our own community rather than giving energy to men like Julian & Hugo who seek to divide us on points which all feminists have in common. Men exhibiting these behaviors have inserted themselves into discussions among women when their participation was insidiously harmful in nature, and we ask that you not support that behavior nor make excuses for it.

**The Possible Human** · 31st-January-2012

And so the paranoia and elitist radfem ideals are now in play. Here's a thought, lets infiltrate their movement and pretend to be liberal feminist men. Oh, that's not ok because the radfems want only radfems and no one else, not even their lesbian feminist friends or uber liberal self-deprecating male lapdogs.

Continue on my Dear radfems. Soon you will have alienated even the most ardent pussified manginas.

There's a storm a coming, not many will see it until they are in the maelstrom.

Sooner or later when playing Russian Roulette, the chamber with the shell will be in line with the hammer and firing pin.

**Nikonian** · 31st-January-2012

Iv'e always felt sorry for those feMANinist manginas. Being born without a will to live or a frontal lobe must be a sad condition.

I also never tire of quoting Valerie Solanas either (the mother hen tells all)

"Men who are rational, however, won't kick or struggle or raise a distressing fuss, but will just sit back, relax, enjoy the show and ride the waves to their demise."

**Marx** · 31st-January-2012

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**Richard** · 31st-January-2012

Oh what relief. All you guys on this fourm have been saying that the left is responsible for feminism, but now you have it - feminism is INDEPEDENT of the left and is a movement in its own right.

Indeed contemproary feminist ideology argues that women pretty much have equality, but it has not brought the expected results. Thus radical feminists argue that "pariarchic culture" is to blame and that women must free themselves of this culture - hence over the past 15-20 years we have witness a much more virulant and vicious form of feminism appear.

**Percy** · 31st-January-2012

A radical feminist speaks, and we are to believe a word that comes from her forked tongue???

One is better employed translating for a baboon.

**Zuberi** · 31st-January-2012

There you have it, the cat is out of the bag.

The rad fem primates do not wish to take up with the likes of Hugo, Julian nor any other self hating, diseased manginas.

**Douglas** · 31st-January-2012

Quote from Percy

A radical feminist speaks, and we are to believe a word that comes from her forked tongue???

Just because I don't trust her, doesn't mean to say I won't quote her when it suits me

**Nikonian** · 31st-January-2012

A feminist is most honest however when she states the obvious. Actions do speak louder than words and when they admit to their actions it is like hearing the boy who cried wolf admitting that there is no wolf...

**Richard** · 31st-January-2012

Its best to see feminism as a "free floating ideology" that taps onto other ideologies - and combines with them (or should I say becomes a parasite on them!)

So you can have:

1/Psycho-analysis and feminism (in a huge variety of school, which also cross-fertilize among themselves; Julia Kristeva)
2/Psychology and feminism (family courts!!!)
3/Structuralist feminism
4/Essentialist feminism
5/Anti-essentialism feminism (ie feminist and its relation to biological determinism)
6/Conservative feminism (eg Camille Paglia)
7/Anti porn feminism
8/Pro-porn feminism
9/Postmodern feminism
10/Post feminism feminism
11/Lesbian feminism
12/Feminism and Queer Theory
13/Post colonial feminism
14/Peace movement feminism
15/Philosophic feminism (virtue theory)
16/Existentialist feminism
17/Genetic engineering feminism
18/Cyberfeminism
19/Cyberpunk feminism

Thus to blame "cultural marxists" for feminism, is like Hitler blaming the jews, or the contemporary West using the Muslims as a scapegoat. Feminism has latched onto every area of life - be it liberalism, conservastism or left wing movments. It has latched onto every intellectual trend and articulated itself into it.

At present, the most powerful/dynamic form of feminism is that which questions not "equality" issues, but says our present culture is a patriarchic culture - thus feminists are engaging in a kind of "cultural revolution" (and you guessed it, men are not invited). There are engaging in new identity politics.

Thus if we attack "liberals" or "cultural marxists" and blame them for feminsm, we cut support from under our feet. Our task must be to identify the feminist cancer which has "entered" an existing ideology in order to hijack it. We should thus seperate liberals or marxists or whoever, from feminism, or to put it another way "quarantine" the feminist menace and isolate it from its host ideology.

I hope I make some kind of sense!

**christianj** · 31st-January-2012

The main problem I have with feminism and their endless pursuit of change, is that they have no idea what they are going to replace it all with. They want to bring down society by destroying society the way it is, remove marriage, reconstruct both males and females' normal, natural, DNA induced behaviour (be a whore and bonk yourself silly, etc..) but have nothing sound or concrete replacemtn strategy. Feminism is no closer to achieving that than they were when that lunacy first commenced..

It's obviously way too hard to work out an alternative plan but that's okay, now they have the radicals taking over and they certainly do have one and it's akin to the holocaust during the second world war, only better, as far as they are concerned..

The main problem I have with feminism and their endless pursuit of change, is that they have no idea what they are going to replace it all with. They want to bring down society by destroying society the way it is, remove marriage, reconstruct both males and females' normal, natural, DNA induced behaviour (be a whore and bonk yourself silly, etc..) but have nothing sound or concrete replacement strategy. Feminism is no closer to achieving that than they were when that lunacy first commenced..

It's obviously way too hard to work out an alternative plan but that's okay, now they have the radicals taking over and they certainly do have one and it's akin to the holocaust during the second world war, only better, as far as they are concerned..

Unregistered · 12th-February-2012

Quote from Richard

Its best to see feminism as a "free floating ideology" that taps onto other ideologies - and combines with them (or should I say becomes a parasite on them!)

So you can have:

1/Psycho-analysis and feminism (in a huge variety of school, which also cross-fertilize among themselves; Julia Kristeva)
2/Psychology and feminism (family courts!!!)
3/Structuralist feminism
4/Essentialist feminism
5/Anti-essentialism feminism (ie feminist and its relation to biological determinism)
6/Conservative feminism (eg Camille Paglia)
7/Anti porn feminism
8/Pro-porn feminism
9/Postmodern feminism
10/Post feminism feminism
11/Lesbian feminism
12/Feminism and Queer Theory
13/Post colonial feminism
14/Peace movement feminism
15/Philosophic feminism (virtue theory)
16/Existentialist feminism
17/Genetic engineering feminism
18/Cyberfeminism
19/Cyberpunk feminism

Thus to blame "cultural marxists" for feminism, is like Hitler blaming the jews, or the contemporary West using the Muslims as a scapegoat. Feminism has latched onto every area of life - be it liberalism, conservastism or left wing movments. It has latched onto every intellectual trend and articulated itself into it.

At present, the most powerful/dynamic form of feminism is that which questions not "equality" issues, but says our present culture is a patriarchic culture - thus feminists are engaging in a kind of "cultural revolution" (and you guessed it, men are not invited). There are engaging in new identity politics.

Thus if we attack "liberals" or "cultural marxists" and blame them for feminsm, we cut support from under our feet. Our task must be to identify the feminist cancer which has "entered" an existing ideology in order to hijack it. We should thus seperate liberals or marxists or whoever, from feminism, or to put it another way "quarantine" the feminist menace and isolate it from its host ideology.

I hope I make some kind of sense!

I give you two thumbs WAY up on this. We've been swallowing the nonsense for this for too long.

**macguy** · 24th-February-2012

Is feminism a role reversal as women become more confident and aggressive in a male dominated world. Where do submissive males fit in with the feminists, are they considered less of a man because they are submissive to women? Male submission to women both sexually and otherwise is a known fact in almost all societies. This aspect of many males to be submissive to women is an inbred characteristic which is similar to the homosexual men and women and is, I believe a genetic characteristic at birth or through culture. I only wish that women would not look upon men who are submissive as a lower form of male.

Unregistered · 13th-March-2012

Julian Real's site has always been a spoof. That's the whole idea of it.

Julian is a satarist - never was a 'radical pro-feminist'. He has never made any effort to hide his hatred of feminists and has used his site at every opportunity to diminish them and expose their often racist and sexist obsessions.

Eventually some feminists were going to figure it out, though it took a few years.

I count Julian as a genius - he managed to entice genuine feminists onto the site, some to even write for it. I've always put him up 'there' with Sasha Baron-Cohen.

I don't think his radical pro-feminist site will last much longer, but I hope he will recycle it and start-up again.

**Ten** · 5th-April-2012

That´s a natural consequence of many centuries of male dominance. Society is becoming more liberal, and women naturally take this oportunity to expand their freedom of expression and of being, a natural right. It´s not all bad, no. Both men And women need to be free as the distinct sexes they are. The problem, as usual, is in the (lack of) harmony between both sexes. Here in Portugal, democracy and economic evolution of this last century has been good for women, since this is a heavily catholic country in tradition and mentality, which repressed female expression, but now the tables are turning quickly, and in a lot of areas, women are getting the best out of men. Their emancipation is bringing about an imbalance, that, though it´s not spoken of now, it will someday, if certain factors like homophobia and heterosexism are not milden. Female emanacipation here has been good for men as well, but in some areas like job oportunity, it backlashes on them. Women are being more and more worshiped, and this befits men in sexual oportunity, it´s a given, but not only Masculinity is being slowly overwhelmed, but also homophobia gets the best out of human maturity. It´s hard to be homosexualy free in a country where some catholic mindset still prevails, as well as heterosexism, and female worship. Balance is always the way, but, I guess it will always be the hardest thing to achieve in history...