Thread: Anti-misandry literature

Warren Farrell is about the most acclaimed author in this area. He's much like yourself - an ex-feminist (and a prominent one at that).

i think that's why he is so successful, he's seen the antics of gender feminists first hand over a long period of time, having even sat on the NYC board of NOW.

I guess he's pretty much the reason all the man-hating feminist groups are women-only these days.

edit - sorry just realsied you wanted novels, not sure about those.

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Hi,

Like most women growing up in England I have been raised to think that we, as females, represent the ultimately oppressed section of society. To the end of proving my superiority I have spent the last five years of my life purchasing and reading quite feminist novels.

Certain events in my life have made me take a long, hard look at myself and society in general. I still feel that women are treated appallingly by some men but I now see that many men are also forced to accept such treatment from women.

Though this shift of opinion from that men are the devil incarnate to just human beings who should be treated as such is undeniably a good thing but it does mean that most of my book collection is now inappropriate. I was just wondering if anyone could suggest any books that still have an interesting plot and offer a critique of society (in the way that Angela Carter, etc does) but portray men in a far more accurate manner.

"""...Though this shift of opinion from that men are the devil incarnate to just human beings who should be treated as such is undeniably a good thing.. ""


this post illustrates however how the lions share of new age gals think !

viz whilst living of the fat of the land and enjoying a skewed Justice System which bequeaths affirmative shoehorning benefits and immunity and impunity for many of wimyns crimes and wimyn basically amoral whiners aborting n divorcing till they squeak - still manage to see themslves as oppressed and the oppressors of course men who soft serve wimyn largesse ad nauseum until it runs outta wimyns' new age cotton pickn ears

some wimyn have shining light moments like Paul on the way to Damascus

Rachel 1089: my advice is to stop reading works of fiction. Particularly those written by women. You will never learn anything about men from them.

Try researching factual material; it's much more enlightening and rewarding.

Quote from rachel1089

Hi,

Like most women growing up in England I have been raised to think that we, as females, represent the ultimately oppressed section of society. To the end of proving my superiority I have spent the last five years of my life purchasing and reading quite feminist novels.

Certain events in my life have made me take a long, hard look at myself and society in general. I still feel that women are treated appallingly by some men but I now see that many men are also forced to accept such treatment from women.

Though this shift of opinion from that men are the devil incarnate to just human beings who should be treated as such is undeniably a good thing but it does mean that most of my book collection is now inappropriate. I was just wondering if anyone could suggest any books that still have an interesting plot and offer a critique of society (in the way that Angela Carter, etc does) but portray men in a far more accurate manner.

Welcome Rachel. I think that the only place you will have to do any reading from is here. The good the bad and the ugly are all here and you only need read.
Welcome and post often.

Ahaaaaa ! Rachel, Welcome.

I have some sympathy for you. More for me of course and my fellow maligned men, but some modicum for you too.

Women have been agitpropped to hell and it is good to see one make her way back under her own steam. Well done, m'dear.

Now you need to keep stoking the fires and keeping that steam pressure up if you want a fair and just society.

There is much anger and angst among parts of the Men's movement, but also a majority of clear thinking men who still like women despite all the shite thrown at us. So you will find some lively 'combat' here if you want to add some sense (and some opposing nonsense) to your education. Maybe 'easing' your way across the divide is worthwhile to save your eyebrows getting singed.

Try 'Victims of Memory' by Predergast; Warren Farrell, of course; our own daily sages here; 'Men's News Daily.com, edited by one of us here; if you don't want to stray too far too quickly from the old feminist path, try Camille Paglia for some hard hitting works; or Wendy McElroy's 'iFeminist' - she is always a sound voice; then there is the new MRm ! Magazine, the second issue of which is in the making. There are good female journos too and authors who see sense. Jennifer Roeback Morse (Dr) is good value, and Barbara Kay in Canada, Melanie Phillips in the UK, even that old feminist war-horse Doris Lessing has 'switched' sides decrying the current mess that feminism has made.

She said at the Edinburgh Book Festival, in August, 2001, "I find myself increasingly shocked at the unthinking and automatic rubbishing of men which is now so part of our culture that it is hardly even noticed.

She went onto point out-

The most stupid, ill-educated and nasty woman can rubbish the nicest, kindest and most intelligent man and no one protests … "

Of course, if you want to sit back and have it all told to you, you can always listen to my podcasts. !

But, do PROTEST !

rachel, why do you want to read things that critique the way society is? I suggest reading things like philosophy in the terms of politics or history or things about ideology.

Here's a great book that is critical of society
Jean Francois Revel - Flight from Truth
This will also mesh well with your current finding about feminism. By the way, the theory of critique is a lot of crap - I'm referring to criticizing Western society, without proposing anything in it's place or fully understanding it. It's a concept spewed out by the Marxist school in Frankfurt. And by the way, the gender critique is only one part of it.

And I contradict the person who said that she shouldn't read the books of women. Ayn Rand wrote some really great books about the philosophy that our societies are based on. Atlas Shrugged and the Fountainhead written by her have a plot.

You can read The Path to National Suicide of Lawrence Auster, even though it's not a novel and it's controvertial.

"Liberalism gives people what it thinks they want, which is unimpeded satisfaction of their desires and impulses. But in doing so, it closes them off from what they really want, which is beauty, truth, and goodness, and membership in an enduring human community that embodies those things."
You can replace liberalism with feminism here. I, for example, didn't want to have children, merely half an year ago. Then my brother had a son. After I held him and sang a couple of lullabies to him, stroked his tiny lil body, I realized how completely idiotic I was and how unfulfilled not having children would have left me. And I wasn't even a feminist, but I guess I did see children as an impediment to having the life I want, even though not having children would have made me not enjoy that life regardless.

Oh, as an ending, the people who made me suffer the most in life were men. Since you said there are men today who treat women badly. But the people who were the most supportive, caring and that made me a better woman were also men.