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let me explain my position.

women are the animal, government is just the parasite. do you kill the parasite and hope to stop the animal? it wont happen. thats why voting conservative in next years elections wont make a bit of difference. you could even vote in the British National Party and they would be exactly the same as the main partys, that is pander to women. work needs to be done at governmental level, but we're never going to see fairness from these leeches, its not in their interest.





I never said I play fair. we are fighting women, they dont play fair.

so neither will I.



are you sure your above comment isnt projection? posting on a web forum only helps so much. real activism is needed.

I go house to house putting information on paternity fraud and other male issues through letterboxes.

Are you sure? I think the government is the "animal" and women are one group (of many different) "parasites."

In the US, tampering with people's mailboxes (including putting mail that has not been postmarked into mailboxes) is a federal crime. Is it not where you live?

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In the US, tampering with people's mailboxes (including putting mail that has not been postmarked into mailboxes) is a federal crime. Is it not where you live?

no its not a crime in england.

what is it with the US and mail??! Im going to have to look into this, its rather intriguing. why do postmen 'go postal'?

anyway, I've also left information under car windscreen wipers, and in the mens toilets of pubs when I've gone for a drink.

there arnt many ways you and I can a have a real effect on whats going on, but distributing physical information in the real world is definately one of them.

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no its not a crime in england.

what is it with the US and mail??! Im going to have to look into this, its rather intriguing. why do postmen 'go postal'?

anyway, I've also left information under car windscreen wipers, and in the mens toilets of pubs when I've gone for a drink.

there arnt many ways you and I can a have a real effect on whats going on, but distributing physical information in the real world is definately one of them.

I believe that what I do in my daily life (with regard to activism) has an impact. It may not have a global impact or even a national impact but I am certain it has affected individuals.

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I never said I play fair. we are fighting women, they dont play fair.

Yet another gross overgeneralization.

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are you sure your above comment isnt projection? posting on a web forum only helps so much. real activism is needed.

I go house to house putting information on paternity fraud and other male issues through letterboxes.

I have gotten people to sign petitions such as the one in my signature, which is aimed at ending male infant circumcision. I have written to the National (American) Football League urging them to give equal attention to prostate and testicular cancer as they give to breast cancer. I have written to legislators in my home state of Pennsylvania urging them to pass this law to more seriously punish those who make false rape accusations. And I have written to elected officials in Oregon and national/world media outlets about the Kevin Driscoll case: This guy needs help.

Putting unsolicited mail in people's boxes is a good effort, but it is the kind of thing that can turn people off to your cause. I hope the literature you distribute contains just the facts and not the opinions you express here, because those opinions will definitely turn people off, including most men. Have you ever gotten feedback from any of the people who received your literature to know if you swayed them in the right direction?

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And the pendulum will keep on swinging.

Where is your ire toward the political agents/agencies that help create the opportunities for abusive women to do what they do and get away with it?

If you aim your ire properly-

it can be productive.

However, when aimed at all women, you are acting no better than the women who hold ire for all men. How can you condemn a group of people for the same behavior you take part in yourself?

Do you not want to hold yourself to a higher standard?

well put Tera.

What frightens me is the amount of men who don't get it. They think that becoming a male version of an radical femminist is the solution.

This only feeds into the cycle. They WANT us to act that way. When you blame women for what feminists do-then you're empowering feminists. It's feminists who want to create this illusion that it's us vs them (men vs women)

It's not coffeecup-it's sane people vs insane people.

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well put Tera.

What frightens me is the amount of men who don't get it. They think that becoming a male version of an radical femminist is the solution.

This only feeds into the cycle. They WANT us to act that way. When you blame women for what feminists do-then you're empowering feminists. It's feminists who want to create this illusion that it's us vs them (men vs women)

It's not coffeecup-it's sane people vs insane people.

Can not agree more!

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well put Tera.

What frightens me is the amount of men who don't get it. They think that becoming a male version of an radical femminist is the solution.

This only feeds into the cycle. They WANT us to act that way. When you blame women for what feminists do-then you're empowering feminists. It's feminists who want to create this illusion that it's us vs them (men vs women)

It's not coffeecup-it's sane people vs insane people.

Being insane and wallowing in a victim complex can be loads of fun. That is why people in that category whether radical feminists, male supremacists (as opposed to MRAs who just want fair treatment), or any other group of hysterical hotheads and blowhards cannot be swayed by mere facts and logic.

Ugh...this is ugly

THE LIZ LIBRARY TABLE OF CONTENTS

How about a list be put together of the SANE MRA/father's rights advocates? There are many that are deserving of honorable mention!

Interesting list, Tera... But I'm not sure how many of them are supposedly related to Father's Rights Movement? For example, a female columnist is mentioned and she is quoting as stating that in her opinion, PAS is a real issue. Another example, there's some old guy talking about pedophilia in USA - from what I can see, there is absolutely no connection to the FRM at all... But the Lizz library says he's connected - without saying HOW he's allegedly connected - so it just must be true... She even quotes Hitler as an FRA

LOL

There is a moral dimension.

The feminists seem to revel in harm, disguised and excused as 'redress'. The Germans did that all through the 1930s and into war where the philosophy changed to one of 'purity through violence'.

We have to maintain some semblence of decency amid the cruelties inflicted by our enemies lest we becme indistinguishable from them.

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Interesting list, Tera... But I'm not sure how many of them are supposedly related to Father's Rights Movement? For example, a female columnist is mentioned and she is quoting as stating that in her opinion, PAS is a real issue. Another example, there's some old guy talking about pedophilia in USA - from what I can see, there is absolutely no connection to the FRM at all... But the Lizz library says he's connected - without saying HOW he's allegedly connected - so it just must be true... She even quotes Hitler as an FRA

LOL

Shotgun calumnies, Karl.

Take the worst and cast it as representative.

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Interesting list, Tera... But I'm not sure how many of them are supposedly related to Father's Rights Movement? For example, a female columnist is mentioned and she is quoting as stating that in her opinion, PAS is a real issue. Another example, there's some old guy talking about pedophilia in USA - from what I can see, there is absolutely no connection to the FRM at all... But the Lizz library says he's connected - without saying HOW he's allegedly connected - so it just must be true... She even quotes Hitler as an FRA

LOL

Excellent points, imo

"Natural law actually suggests that each of us should have the same rights" an interesting statement. I'd love to see some solid empirical basis as to why this is natural law. In my experience it is not. Rights are not some magical blessing sprinkled over you at birth like pixie dust by the spirits of equity. In my experience natural law is cruel, arbitrary and entirely dependant upon ones willingness to use force (not necessarily physical force) in so far as its penchant to yield rights is concerned. You don't have to believe me, that's fine, there are many people through history who have made this assumption and most of them are dead now. I know, personally, and will not be convinced otherwise that my rights are an extension, in the end, of my ability to mobilize force in order to secure them; not necessarily physical force, as I have said, although it is the final recourse and the last test when push comes to shove. This is the fundamental material deficiency of the men's movement (Percy has already perfectly characterized its primary spiritual deficiency, an issue of equal importance in regards to end-goal, albeit not in regards to the achievement of said goal) there's a reason why women were able to advance their rights and privileges by doing no more than whining and why NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU ABHOR THIS CONCEPT the same will NEVER work for men; because men naturally patronize the efforts of women, to the point of using force, political, economic, physical, etc. Women's 'rights' were attained solely by the grace of men who did the ground-work - this may cheapen their achievement, it might make it something about which to derive a chuckle, but it is a chuckle that will stick in your throat. If I pay a strong man to dig me a ditch - the ditch is mine and the law recognizes this fact, regardless of who actually laboured to produce it.

DS, why would men do this for women? Was it a purely altruistic motive that men had to work on women's rights? Did anyone besides women stand to gain from women having voting rights?