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Celtic Druid, Sir. My respected friend and mistletoe-worshipping Monk. You seem to take exception to our resident young, feisty woman, RV, who appears to me to be very bright for her age, even if a little precocious. She tries a lot harder than most to put an arguement together and generally shows her strong sound sense on most matters. Clearly she is a logician to a better extent than some chaps here and while clearly supportive of 'Men's Right', balances with a perspective that is equal part dismissive of feminist claims to superiority and critical of the sort of outrageous claims by male supremacists.

It is time. sir, that you held that sacred twig above her head for a kiss and make up!

I believe, Percy, that the blathering, radical feminist in need of psychiatric help CD was referring to was the author of the website, not RV.

Oops.....CD beat me to it.

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Oops.....CD beat me to it.

Pretty much at the same time Kim. Thanks.

Percy, thanks, but as CD said, he wasn't referring to me and I doubt he'd say that to any poster on here. :P And I think me and CD see eye to eye on a few things. lol

Quote from RebelliousVanilla

coffeecup, the question is what you achieved that gives you any legitimacy to rule over anyone. And yes, you are doing exactly what the feminists are doing. You showing off with the achievements with others is irrelevant. Extrapolating your behavior, White people should rule over others since we invented most of the technologies, the most successful forms of government(liberal democracies=constitutional republics).

Women are selfish because of the feminist ideology. I wrote about this before, but there were women who were executed for not denouncing their husbands who were hiding from the police in the USSR. But again, here you just highlight your own ignorance - both historical and political.

And what natural hierarchy? Asians are smarter on average than all the other races, so we should let them make our decisions, right? Wrong. Obviously, you will probably not agree with this, even though it is the same thing. But again, since you exhibit the same behavior and philosophy as the feminists do, double speak should be your second nature by now.

I have a question. Considering you said that feminists wrongfully shamed men, and amen to that, why do you want to do it to others? By doing it, not only you justify the existence of feminism(not to mention the men ruling over women part), but you highlight not the flaws of women, but your own hypocrisy or your own lack of a moral compass(if you consider shaming women good - hypocrisy; if you consider it bad and would do it anyway - lack of moral compass).

And nobody has any moral authority to curtail the freedoms and liberties of another person, based on anything from race to gender, income status, family size or whatever. There's no paradise at the end of the rainbow because of people who don't understand this and your type of thinking.

I'd like to counter every single point of your post RV, but because there is so much to counter, I shall simply say this:

what a complete load of twaddle.

posts like this made by women, go along way to explaining why men simply give up when confronted with this amount of garbage. who has got the time (or even the will) to explain, point-by-point, why this post is garbage, to a woman who is incapable of understanding it anyway.

and just to be clear, isnt the first part of your post an ad hominem attack on the person? the same thing you accused me of in a PM in a thread a few days ago?

the difference, my dear, is that I am talking, quite correctly, about groups of people, and your group have done almost nothing to further the species. infact, Id go as far as to say that with women its been 2 steps forward, 1 step back.

the shit that we men have had to go though to get to this point in history has been immense, and women have caused most of it, and prolonged it.

Whoops

Quote from Feckless

What would humanity have achieved without women? Nothing. It is as simple as it is.

and how do you come to that conclusion?

maybe your trying to say is that if it wernt for women giving birth, then we wouldnt have got anywhere?

well, street dogs in India give birth everyday, they havent actually 'achieved' anything.

its not an achievement to lie on your back, then 9 months later pop out a kid. it is however an achievement to bring your children up properly, but we're seeing precious little of that since women got their 'rights'. now all the kids are on drink and drugs, and in gangs, which act as substitute families.

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Percy, thanks, but as CD said, he wasn't referring to me and I doubt he'd say that to any poster on here. :P And I think me and CD see eye to eye on a few things. lol

celtic druid is a good guy

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celtic druid is a good guy

Thanks Aug, that means a lot.

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and how do you come to that conclusion?

By opening my eyes and seeing the people arround me. Where does all of your hatred come from?

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I'd like to counter every single point of your post RV, but because there is so much to counter, I shall simply say this:

what a complete load of twaddle.

posts like this made by women, go along way to explaining why men simply give up when confronted with this amount of garbage. who has got the time (or even the will) to explain, point-by-point, why this post is garbage, to a woman who is incapable of understanding it anyway.

and just to be clear, isnt the first part of your post an ad hominem attack on the person? the same thing you accused me of in a PM in a thread a few days ago?

the difference, my dear, is that I am talking, quite correctly, about groups of people, and your group have done almost nothing to further the species. infact, Id go as far as to say that with women its been 2 steps forward, 1 step back.

the shit that we men have had to go though to get to this point in history has been immense, and women have caused most of it, and prolonged it.

It figures. That's because you can't answer.

Quote from RebelliousVanilla

coffeecup, the question is what you achieved that gives you any legitimacy to rule over anyone. And yes, you are doing exactly what the feminists are doing. You showing off with the achievements with others is irrelevant. Extrapolating your behavior, White people should rule over others since we invented most of the technologies, the most successful forms of government(liberal democracies=constitutional republics).

Women are selfish because of the feminist ideology. I wrote about this before, but there were women who were executed for not denouncing their husbands who were hiding from the police in the USSR. But again, here you just highlight your own ignorance - both historical and political.

And what natural hierarchy? Asians are smarter on average than all the other races, so we should let them make our decisions, right? Wrong. Obviously, you will probably not agree with this, even though it is the same thing. But again, since you exhibit the same behavior and philosophy as the feminists do, double speak should be your second nature by now.

I have a question. Considering you said that feminists wrongfully shamed men, and amen to that, why do you want to do it to others? By doing it, not only you justify the existence of feminism(not to mention the men ruling over women part), but you highlight not the flaws of women, but your own hypocrisy or your own lack of a moral compass(if you consider shaming women good - hypocrisy; if you consider it bad and would do it anyway - lack of moral compass).

And nobody has any moral authority to curtail the freedoms and liberties of another person, based on anything from race to gender, income status, family size or whatever. There's no paradise at the end of the rainbow because of people who don't understand this and your type of thinking.

Agree 100%

ok, heres my reply.

Quote from RebelliousVanilla

coffeecup, the question is what you achieved that gives you any legitimacy to rule over anyone.

First of all, and most importantly:

I claim the right of superiority of men over women, because it is natural law. screw with nature law, and everything comes crashing down.

I claim the right of superiority of men over women, because my gender has done everything to get us to where we are today. that progress would not have been achieved if left to women.

I also claim the right to superiority over women because of the selfish, destructive manner in which women (as a group) behave, and the kaos in society that follows. those womens rights that have negative effects on society should be removed from them.

now, what Im guessing you really want to know, your ad hominem attack on me personally (shameful, but I expect nothing less from a woman):

what have I personally achieved

I havent personally invented anything, or built anything of any significance. but that could be that Ive been in ill health all of my life, and very serious ill health for the past 10 years. and this ad hominem attack on the man, you think, helps you discredit my other arguments. it does not.

The real argument is about groups (men and women), not individuals.

I am also helping to put women back in their place below men, and when that does happen, that will be a rather big achievement for us all I think. maybe then we can progress at a faster rate than we currently are, because we as men wont have to justify ourselves to women on internet forums. alot of the other problems of the world will also ease.

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And yes, you are doing exactly what the feminists are doing. You showing off with the achievements with others is irrelevant.

no its not irrelevant, because women are trying to hijack history, and make out they are equal in ideas and effort to men, and so deserve the same rights in all areas of life. that money should be going to men who are committed and inventive.

for example, in the medical profession, women are trained at great cost by the state as General Practioners, but these female doctors take maternity leave. so they go away and have children, and some dont go back into the profession. a complete waste of the money that was spent on their training. theres a big problem with this in Canada, but it happens everywhere, across all professions. women choping and changing professions, going from full-time to part time. business is now having a major headache pandering to womens 'rights', business must be a well oiled machine with committed workers. women are not committed to their work.

why are there no female brain surgeons? I'll tell you why, because brain surgery requires a level of commitment that women dont want to meet. a phone call from the hospital at 5am, 20 hours in surgery, and you dont go home untill you've finished. women will not commit to that.

Quote from RebelliousVanilla

Women are selfish because of the feminist ideology. I wrote about this before, but there were women who were executed for not denouncing their husbands who were hiding from the police in the USSR. But again, here you just highlight your own ignorance - both historical and political.

theres always exceptions to the rule. you found it. but again, we should be talking about the behaviour of the group, not the individuals.

I could talk about the women of nazi germany,who would happily inform the state on neighbouring jewish familys, so that the police would come in the middle of the night and take them away, never to be seen again, either because the women just didnt like them, or so that they could descend on their belongs like vultures, and steal their clothes, jewellery, furniture, etc.

some husbands were also taken away, when their wives wanted them out of the picture. a simple accusation (sounds familiar doesnt it), in this case that they are jewish sympathizers, and the police would turn up and take him away.

so, we could look at individuals, but that is misleading. it is better to look at the trends of the whole group. and women dont come out looking good at all.

and women are not selfish because of feminism, women are selfish just-because-they-are. thats how mother nature made them.

feminism is just an extension of women and group dynamics.

Quote from RebelliousVanilla

And what natural hierarchy? Asians are smarter on average than all the other races, so we should let them make our decisions, right?

I dont care about, white/black/straight/gay/asian/chinese/muslims/christians.

There are only 2 types of people in this world. men and women. and nature rules that men are above women. screw with that hierarchy and you've got the modern west. kaos. a place so stressful, british children are ranked 45th happiest in the world, after some african countrys.

Quote from RebelliousVanilla

I have a question. Considering you said that feminists wrongfully shamed men, and amen to that, why do you want to do it to others?

yes, women and the feminists have wrongfully shamed men.

but it is not wrong to shame women, because they are deserving of that shame.

I also want to shame women for the following reasons:

A. its a contributing factor in making women behave.

B. I want people to see the true, disgusting, hypocritical nature of women.

C. its retribution for whats been done to me.

Quote from RebelliousVanilla

By doing it, not only you justify the existence of feminism(not to mention the men ruling over women part), but you highlight not the flaws of women, but your own hypocrisy or your own lack of a moral compass

garbage.

moral compass? a woman questioning my moral compass? shaming language.

believe me, if my moral compass wasnt working, I'd have killed a dozen people by now. whats been done to me is absolutely outrageous. and the vast majority of these acts have been performed by women.

and ill just tell you this. most men dont enjoy being the bad guy, dont enjoy dolling out the disapline and punishment to your children, dont enjoy having to be the sensible one that makes all the hard decisions, but we do it because it needs to be done. and if not us, then who?

you?

women are incapable of behaving themselves in a fashion which is stable for society and sustainable long term.

feminism is the perfect example of how women misbehave when they get the opportunity.

you are the ones that are causing all the problems of the world, yet you try and shame me and other men for telling it how it is and trying to put it right. thats hypocrisy.

Quote from RebelliousVanilla

And nobody has any moral authority to curtail the freedoms and liberties of another person, based on anything from race to gender, income status, family size or whatever. There's no paradise at the end of the rainbow because of people who don't understand this and your type of thinking

get real.

your living in a hippy dream.

the world does not work that way, and it never will. that is the reality of life.

coffeecup-i certainly admire your stance--u stick with it


of course any man that should point out that women are violent controlling jealous cratures will automatically be called a mysogynist anyways-so wtf is the difference?


keep goin'- u are more hard core than most but u definately are not backin down-this deserves admiration in itself