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    Do you have split personalities as well?
    Of course not. Do you have a problem with preconceived notions of people?

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    Of course not. Do you have a problem with preconceived notions of people?
    No, I don't have a problem with preconceived notions of people; the people have a problem with my preconceived notions of people?

    On a serious note, are you really suggesting that I made a judgement about Jenna before seeing evidence to support my belief? um... I did read the initial post of the thread... I based my opinion of her on what I saw... If your method is so much better then how come your conclusion was less accurate? You thought her apology was real (so you say).

    A preconceived notion would have been if I had made an opinion of her before even reading her 'apology'. I've had experience with women like that that 'apologized' but it wasn't so sincere. Did I judge her based on my previous experiences with those types of women? Perhaps. Or perhaps I used my previous experiences to help me recognize the red flags within her statements? I'm not getting burned again if I can help it.

    For the record, before you and I fell out I didn't have any negative opinions about you. As a matter of fact, unless I'm mistaking you for someone else, I think when I came across old posts of yours from a long time ago (I think you are a long time member) I thought you were one of the good people. So I may have had positive preconceptions of you based on less than a handful of posts.

    We originally fell out because of a comment I made basically stating that if there is no way to be equal (and we are already at a disadvantage) then it would only make sense to seek advantages only for ourselves because there is no other option. That would only be necessary if there was no way for things to be fair. You took things the wrong way and I basically made fun of you because it got under your skin. Then later on, you did apologize but I didn't believe in your apology because you still blamed me for not understanding you, yet, you made no attempt to understand me.

    All of that and some more back and forth led us to where we are today. When you sided with Jenna you did exactly what I thought you would do. Does that bring you satisfaction knowing that you prove my biases right? Yet, you blame us for doing the same with Jenna's ilk. So, even if my methods of reaching my conclusions are wrong my conclusion still magically turns out to be right. I should have PMed someone what you would do before you did it to make it more convincing but you'd have made excuses then too.

    KellyMac, as much as it would have pained me, if I had found out I was wrong about you then I would have swallowed my pride, no matter how bitter it may have tasted, and I'd have apologized to you. Every now and then you do post something that makes sense and I actually catch myself agreeing with what you say before I pinch myself. Then again, maybe you just have enough experience to know exactly what to say? Every time I have ever considered apologizing to you you have proven me right, though.
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    I think the MRM has to be careful about coming over as bullies. We need to mainstream to be effective, (seriously we do). I am not sure we are treating this one properly.

    Atm all I see is a pack of gloating hyenas. I will jump over Misandrists like there is no tomorrow, as my posting history here and over the Web as ZimbaZumba shows. I don't feel inclined to join this pack.
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    I think the MRM has to be careful about coming over as bullies. We need to mainstream to be effective, (seriously we do). I am not sure we are treating this one properly.

    Atm all I see is a pack of gloating hyenas. I will jump over Misandrists like there is no tomorrow, as my posting history here and over the Web as ZimbaZumba shows. I don't feel inclined to join this pack.
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    I am not gloating about this-I think it is a shame anyone has to start a site such as register-her.com.


    Thing is...the site is well justified and it's about time some women earned that thing called,"accountibility".

    We should be respected for such a site-it's probably the first time these people were treated as true equals-The registrees should be flattered for being treated the same as any man.


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    I think I was too quick to jump the gun on this one and in doing so I acted rather wrecklessly. I sent Jenna an email, not sure if she got it or not but yeah, at the end of the day, when you get passed the anger of what she said and actually look into it, she's a mother having fun on a blog, not a man hating feminist. What she said offended me and many others but I don't think it justifies bullying and condemning her. I dunno, I don't really know what I'm doing to be honest, this is quite new to me.

    Putting her on register-her is a joke aswell, you're pretty much comparing a Jaywalker to mass murderers when you compare what she did to what the majority of women on that webpage have done.

    Sigh.

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    I think I was too quick to jump the gun on this one and in doing so I acted rather wrecklessly. I sent Jenna an email, not sure if she got it or not but yeah, at the end of the day, when you get passed the anger of what she said and actually look into it, she's a mother having fun on a blog, not a man hating feminist. What she said offended me and many others but I don't think it justifies bullying and condemning her. I dunno, I don't really know what I'm doing to be honest, this is quite new to me.

    Putting her on register-her is a joke aswell, you're pretty much comparing a Jaywalker to mass murderers when you compare what she did to what the majority of women on that webpage have done.

    Sigh.
    Agreed-it was kinda like picking on the weakest of the bunch.

    Nothing to brag about or be proud of, thats for sure.

    How about a feminist judge or a newspaper editor that clearly have proven their misandric stance?


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    Agreed-it was kinda like picking on the weakest of the bunch.

    Nothing to brag about or be proud of, thats for sure.

    How about a feminist judge or a newspaper editor that clearly have proven their misandric stance?
    Yeah that's what I'm thinking.

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    Interesting thread here. Somewhat disappointing, but I do understand that some of you are being taken in by a skillful manipulator.
    Hmmmmm.

    It begs the question.

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    I think I was too quick to jump the gun on this one and in doing so I acted rather wrecklessly. I sent Jenna an email, not sure if she got it or not but yeah, at the end of the day, when you get passed the anger of what she said and actually look into it, she's a mother having fun on a blog, not a man hating feminist. What she said offended me and many others but I don't think it justifies bullying and condemning her. I dunno, I don't really know what I'm doing to be honest, this is quite new to me.

    Putting her on register-her is a joke aswell, you're pretty much comparing a Jaywalker to mass murderers when you compare what she did to what the majority of women on that webpage have done.

    Sigh.
    Yeah, she's just a mother having fun on a blog, calling any man who dares to disagree with her a pervert who wants to rape her 3-year-old daughter. Sounds like great fun!


    Women like this are every bit as culpable of the continued dehumanization of men as any radfem shrieking for baby boys to be murdered at birth.

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    Yeah, she's just a mother having fun on a blog, calling any man who dares to disagree with her a pervert who wants to rape her 3-year-old daughter. Sounds like great fun!


    Women like this are every bit as culpable of the continued dehumanization of men as any radfem shrieking for baby boys to be murdered at birth.
    I can see your point, but raise you a masculine ability to discriminate and recognise an apology when challenged as a first step to redemption.
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    I can see your point, but raise you a masculine ability to discriminate and recognise an apology when challenged as a first step to redemption.
    Discernment isn't a masculine ability or a feminine ability. This is an area where feminism fails. Feminism pretends that desiring justice for humanity is a feminine trait and it does the exact opposite of what it states. Women are just as capable as men are, whether or not they choose to, of being able to recognize when something is sincere as long as they remove their filters. What separates humans is our ability to go against our instinct.
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    Yeah, she's just a mother having fun on a blog, calling any man who dares to disagree with her a pervert who wants to rape her 3-year-old daughter. Sounds like great fun!


    Women like this are every bit as culpable of the continued dehumanization of men as any radfem shrieking for baby boys to be murdered at birth.
    If you read the thread you'd see I felt the same way at first but you have to get passed the anger and look at the reality of the situation, well, either that or I'm too soft but she did try to apologise, we pretty much spat in her face for it, she tried to move on and we kept bombarding her with insults.

    What she said was fucked up but this didn't come from the heart of a feminist, imo, if we're willing to exhaust this much time and effort insulting a mother on a blog who believed a bullshit statistic then why isn't our outrage 1000x more when we see people like Harriet Harman say shit like "men cannot be trusted to run things on their own" or "there wouldn't be enough airports for all the men who would want to flee the country" (if she were Prime Minister), meanwhile our actual Prime Minister David Cameron is forced to apologise for telling some women to "calm down dear".

    It's just out of proportion, any way you look at it.

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    Yeah, she's just a mother having fun on a blog, calling any man who dares to disagree with her a pervert who wants to rape her 3-year-old daughter. Sounds like great fun!


    Women like this are every bit as culpable of the continued dehumanization of men as any radfem shrieking for baby boys to be murdered at birth.
    I see their point that she isn't really the head of all of this but I see your point about how she is very responsible for the dehumanization of men. After all, the majority of the demonizing of men does not come from the people that are in charge. Sure, they plant the seeds but it is everyday men and WOMEN that fertilize this drivel.

    I also note that when people were referring to Jenna as a potential ally they spoke of how valuable of an asset she could be to the MRM. Well, if she could be such a valuable asset to the MRM then why couldn't she also be an valuable asset against the MRM as well? It's like on one hand, when she works against us, "she's harmless; she's just a little nothing" but if this is true then why would her allegiance be so important to us? Doesn't this sound like doublethink?

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    If you read the thread you'd see I felt the same way at first but you have to get passed the anger and look at the reality of the situation, well, either that or I'm too soft but she did try to apologise, we pretty much spat in her face for it, she tried to move on and we kept bombarding her with insults.

    What she said was fucked up but this didn't come from the heart of a feminist, imo, if we're willing to exhaust this much time and effort insulting a mother on a blog who believed a bullshit statistic then why isn't our outrage 1000x more when we see people like Harriet Harman say shit like "men cannot be trusted to run things on their own" or "there wouldn't be enough airports for all the men who would want to flee the country" (if she were Prime Minister), meanwhile our actual Prime Minister David Cameron is forced to apologise for telling some women to "calm down dear".

    It's just out of proportion, any way you look at it.
    Yes, if we chop off the head the body will die but if we can't stand up to a flea what makes us so sure we could stand up to a wildebeest? Men were fired for making off air comments about women not knowing a rule of a game. Women joked about castration and kept their jobs. A woman attacked a mailman and he lost his job.

    These double standards allow women to do great evil with impunity because women are the majority voting class and politicians appease women in order to retain and grow their power. We can't fight the powers that allow women to act with impunity and reinforce these double standards if we allow women to act with impunity ourselves. I think it is right that people called her out on her bull but it is also right that we should move on to bigger targets. We are kept distracted with little dramas in order to ignore the bigger dramas. It doesn't yet hurt Jenna that we are kept distracted, it hurts us. Jenna doesn't yet have to worry about an oppressive government denying her basic legal privileges as men do. Jenna can afford to be dense.

    Thing is, if Jenna could distract and divide us so easily who is to say what the government and their tools could do against us?
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    I think the MRM has to be careful about coming over as bullies. We need to mainstream to be effective, (seriously we do). I am not sure we are treating this one properly.

    Atm all I see is a pack of gloating hyenas. I will jump over Misandrists like there is no tomorrow, as my posting history here and over the Web as ZimbaZumba shows. I don't feel inclined to join this pack.
    We don't need to play by feminisms rules, the MRM requires better than that. If some people might be offended by our confrontational approach, why are these same people not offended by the rampant misandry of Korvunidis? Why should they think that Korvunidis can make baseless accusations and then receive no retribution?

    What you see is an action by some MRAs that led to a bigot being exposed and ridiculed, that is a strike for the MRM. That some want to go soft on her instead of damaging her reputation in the same way she impuned the reputation of all the men at her day care just demonstrates continuing double standards.

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    I can see your point, but raise you a masculine ability to discriminate and recognise an apology when challenged as a first step to redemption.
    Percy, given that she continues with her misandrist comments after her initial "apology" and rationalisations, how can her apology carry any weight? If I steal from the corner store, I get caught, I apologise profusely, then I steal again the next day was my apology really worth any thing?

    To me that would simply indicate lies to escape punishment.
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    We don't need to play by feminisms rules, the MRM requires better than that. If some people might be offended by our confrontational approach, why are these same people not offended by the rampant misandry of Korvunidis? Why should they think that Korvunidis can make baseless accusations and then receive no retribution?

    What you see is an action by some MRAs that led to a bigot being exposed and ridiculed, that is a strike for the MRM. That some want to go soft on her instead of damaging her reputation in the same way she impuned the reputation of all the men at her day care just demonstrates continuing double standards.



    Percy, given that she continues with her misandrist comments after her initial "apology" and rationalisations, how can her apology carry any weight? If I steal from the corner store, I get caught, I apologise profusely, then I steal again the next day was my apology really worth any thing?

    To me that would simply indicate lies to escape punishment.
    The same rules don't apply to Jenna because she's a woman. That's the easiest conclusion I can come up with. Most of the men here probably wouldn't care about men's issues if they were not directly affected by them. Their attitudes are probably similar to the men that marry and divorce these women. Maybe we shouldn't feel sorry for a lot of men when they suffer the brunt of these men's issues because they are the ones that embrace liars and fight with us when we point them out. Let them be casualties to prove our point and know that the same thing can happen to us as men but don't lend them our sympathies if this is the way men handle things when we confront bad females. "I told you so" will be the understatement of our lives.
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    I think it's bizarre how so many people on here misuse the term "feminist" to mean a "woman who is sexist." A true feminist believes in equality for both men and women. It is the women who are tied to the old stereotypes of traditional gender roles - NON feminists - who bash men, and say men and women should be treated differently, based on their gender. I realize there are some women who are pretenders at being feminists - call them Fauxmenists, if you will - but most sexist women who bash men are TRADITIONALISTS, not feminists.

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    Percy, given that she continues with her misandrist comments after her initial "apology" and rationalisations, how can her apology carry any weight?
    Of course it carries some weight. It may be small, but that is not even the point.

    The point is seen in the response here. Slagging off someone who apologises is very likely to lead to them revising the apology. That is simple human nature. Also, the fact of an apology for one thing does not mean a change of mind on all other things, especially for the modern agitpropped mind.

    I personally cannot vouch for anyone's actions but my own. So if someone says or does things I dislike, it is their fault for the action and mine for my feeling. I certainly do not expect them to suddenly become sainted simply by apologising, but I can recognise and acknowledge a crack in the armour, an opening door, a place to put a wedge, a hand to shake as a precourser to discussion. I can dialogue with the apologiser. Simply slamming the door in their face is bound to get them to withdraw the hand.

    I do not have to trust them. I do have to give them a chance to earn trust. Kicking them in the slats generally does not engender trust or discussion.

    If someone, for whatever reason, gets the message that they have done wrong and aplogises, it is a mindful person who sees an opportunity to change that person's mind on other matters by showing them truths that they have previously not seen.

    I am not an advocate for a feminist or even a WIG who speaks badly of men. I am not defending this particular women. I AM however mindful of my side of the street. There are far more dangerous enemies and the lesser dangerous ones could be converted to be at least non-combattant, if not an ally. But treating the 'common soldier' the same as a General is just plain stupid.
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    I think it's bizarre how so many people on here misuse the term "feminist" to mean a "woman who is sexist." A true feminist believes in equality for both men and women. It is the women who are tied to the old stereotypes of traditional gender roles - NON feminists - who bash men, and say men and women should be treated differently, based on their gender. I realize there are some women who are pretenders at being feminists - call them Fauxmenists, if you will - but most sexist women who bash men are TRADITIONALISTS, not feminists.
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    I think it's bizarre how so many people on here misuse the term "feminist" to mean a "woman who is sexist." A true feminist believes in equality for both men and women.
    LOL yeah, we've heard it all before and it remains fact that the majority of feminists we encounter happily rely on sexism when men suffer OR women gain.

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    It is the women who are tied to the old stereotypes of traditional gender roles - NON feminists - who bash men, and say men and women should be treated differently, based on their gender. I realize there are some women who are pretenders at being feminists - call them Fauxmenists, if you will - but most sexist women who bash men are TRADITIONALISTS, not feminists.
    Not quite... Traditional women are respectful towards men whereas feminism has taught ALL women (not to say all women agree or act on the teachings) that men are the enemy. This can be seen quite clearly in feminist's own words.
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    I think it's bizarre how so many people on here misuse the term "feminist" to mean a "woman who is sexist." A true feminist believes in equality for both men and women. It is the women who are tied to the old stereotypes of traditional gender roles - NON feminists - who bash men, and say men and women should be treated differently, based on their gender. I realize there are some women who are pretenders at being feminists - call them Fauxmenists, if you will - but most sexist women who bash men are TRADITIONALISTS, not feminists.
    Traditionalists from the ones I've spoke to, seem to show love and respect for men and note the fact that men are needed in our society to make it a successful and healthy society.

    Feminists on the otherhand (from the ones I've spoke to) usually seem to show a lot of anti-male sentiment, don't respect them at all, seem to think that men are simply not needed in society as women can do everything a man can do with the added bonus of childbirth and they tend to push a negative image on men as sexist, rapist, anger filled, oppressive monsters who only want to hurt and damage women.

    Feminists destroy the bond between men and women by turning them against each other, traditionalists show love and respect to both genders.

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    I think it's bizarre how so many people on here misuse the term "feminist" to mean a "woman who is sexist."

    I think it's bizarre how so many people misuse the term 'feminist', to mean 'a woman who believes in equality'. Okay, okay, so the dictionary states this as the definition of 'feminist'; but the dictionary definition is irrelevant, as compared to the ACTIONS of the majority of self-proclaimed 'feminists' (which tie in more with 'our' definition, than with the dictionary definition).

    A true feminist believes in equality for both men and women.
    Then 'true feminists' account for an insignificant percentage of 'feminists'.

    It is the women who are tied to the old stereotypes of traditional gender roles - NON feminists - who bash men, and say men and women should be treated differently, based on their gender.
    Following this logic, things were better for men pre-feminism; a laughable notion, frankly. I may not be chivalry's greatest fan, but give me a woman who likes to be paid for on dates and to have doors opened for her, but who respects and likes men, over someone who insists upon picking up half of the tab on a date (not because she thinks that's fair on you, but because she for some stupid reason sees otherwise as being degrading to women), but constantly demonises and lies about men, seeing everything masculine as bad.
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    Lol I didn't know that the likes of Mary Daly,Valerie Solanus, and Andrea Dworkin were "Traditional" women.

    But wait my grandmother is a traditional woman and she doesn't go around bashing men and calling them all rapists and perverts.

    Nor do the women at my church who have an extreme tendancy toward being traditional.

    Are universities suddenly filled to the brim with 18 - 23 year old traditional women?

    Either I missed the post it note that yet another definition was changed by feminists or the claim that traditional women are the real sexists is yet another load of feminist bullshit.
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    I think it's bizarre how so many people on here misuse the term "feminist" to mean a "woman who is sexist." A true feminist believes in equality for both men and women. It is the women who are tied to the old stereotypes of traditional gender roles - NON feminists - who bash men, and say men and women should be treated differently, based on their gender. I realize there are some women who are pretenders at being feminists - call them Fauxmenists, if you will - but most sexist women who bash men are TRADITIONALISTS, not feminists.
    You know what I think guys? We will never get through to the public or women this way, lets try get through to MEN!!

    Pick on their pride, insult their egos, get them angry with everything they're losing, with whats wrong.

    This could really become big scale.

    Imaging thousands and thousands of men without fear, standing up for what men are.

    It would be unstoppable.

    Lets do it.

    I'll be back to register soon

    My woman (and most women ) want kids and marriage, they're not evil, they're different, men are the ones we can actually get through to, cause we're men, do this, and win, and the women will follow (its just biology).

    Guaranteed results.

    Mathematical certainty.

    Please think about it.

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    You know what I think guys? We will never get through to the public or women this way, lets try get through to MEN!!

    Pick on their pride, insult their egos, get them angry with everything they're losing, with whats wrong.

    This could really become big scale.

    Imaging thousands and thousands of men without fear, standing up for what men are.

    It would be unstoppable.

    Lets do it.

    I'll be back to register soon

    My woman (and most women ) want kids and marriage, they're not evil, they're different, men are the ones we can actually get through to, cause we're men, do this, and win, and the women will follow (its just biology).

    Guaranteed results.

    Mathematical certainty.

    Please think about it.
    I agree with you that we should stop trying to get through to women and just focus on getting through to men. Women naturally follow winners anyway.
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    I must humbly disagree that we only need to get through to men.

    Feminists preached their message to women and the result was what we have now.

    I think that the original feminists that just wanted equality lost control to the current batch of feminists because there was no balance in the beginning. They ignored male voices and it led to trouble.

    I think if we get our message out to PEOPLE we can avoid the imballance that radicals will surely try to bring.

    Do any of us just want the scales to tip in favor of men instead of women? In my opinion the only thing that would happen from that is the fight for actual equality would last longer and hurt more people in the long run.

    We must get the message out to people and those who will listen will aid us and those who will not will fall by the wayside.
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    I Agree, Chev.

    And when someone comes here, uninvited and not frog-marched in, and says "Whoops, I am sorry I said that", our response must be "OK, apology accepted, now lets talk some more".
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    This feminist wrote an apology on her blog as well as here. It is there for all to see.

    Her rationale regarding her child is her bizzo as far as I am concerned. I am sure we all have our own attitudes about our own children. But her newly found knowledge, due in major part to MRA response, has made a strong impact, which this thread is in grave danger of reversing.

    She acknowledges men's issues very clearly and apologises. This sort of WIG feminist is open to criticism and correction.

    We 'used to' invite feminists here to debate, but every time one came here she would get abuse and condemnation thrown at her. Sometimes it was deserved. But in this instance a feminist came here and apologised. She published her support for the cases that MRAs put regarding the abuse men get.

    Are we not big enough to accept that apology, even for small worth? Are we so crude and bigotted that we cannot discuss matters with some personal dignity and the recognition of other' dignity?

    I am sure that were I to be condemned in such a fashion that I would be mightily peeved and in fact there have been a number of occasions - on this site - where I have been treated with contempt simply for expressing an opinion.

    Let us all be bigger about this woman.

    Here is her blog apology for those that have not read it. I have highlighted a few parts.

    By Jenna Myers Karvunidis, October 23, 2011 at 10:23 am
    About a month ago I wrote a post on this blog about the bathroom procedure at my daughter's preschool and my preference for her to be taken to the toilet by women, not the male volunteers in the classroom. I sited a now-disputed statistic (Abel and Harlow Child Molestation Prevention Study 2001, revised 2002) that I believed to be accurate to support my gut instinct that men should not be in women's restrooms helping female preschoolers go to the toilet.

    To be clear, I never accused any male volunteer of wrong doing. The bathroom at this particular school is separated from the classroom by two concrete walls and a hallway. My thinking was that I did not want my daughter to become accustomed to men taking her to secluded areas and having access to her private areas. A two-year-old is not wise enough to know that at school it's okay, but other places with different men is not. (I now have greater awareness that women abuse children as well.)

    The post received little traffic and a handful of supportive comments. I later updated the post with the decision from the school. They agreed to honor my request and in light of my concern, they became aware that their school policy was lacking any language in regard to the bathroom and formed a task committee to research policies at other preschools. I claimed victory that my daughter (the only child this women-only bathroom assistance measure affected) would be "safe" and that I had made a difference by inspiring change.

    Also to be clear, the reason the school reexamined their policy because no protocol had ever been in place. Nearly every preschool has some kind of procedure in the bathroom with kids - sometimes it's a rule of threes, or that the caregiver must be visible from the classroom etc. This is all the school is doing. They are just aligning themselves with similar institutions. I think they have done an excellent job of being fair and in no way are they enacting a policy to keep men out of the bathroom or classroom.

    This past Wednesday evening, the post was reposted on a men's forum on Reddit and the fallout was a hard lesson in modern life. Check out my Google problem if you need a little schadenfreude.

    My original post was misguided. Worse was my initial reaction to harsh criticism. Out of the blue my mom blog was pounded with stern comments pouring in so fast the server couldn't keep up. These commenters were unknown to me. I just jumped with my gut instinct to fight fire with fire. I freaked out in real time because I felt ambushed. It was a mistake I regret.

    I was unaware the people calling me a bigot had a broader message. I have since learned so much about Mens Rights Activists (MRA), a world view I had honestly never considered. To think I was perpetuating hate against a group sickens me. I am sorry.

    I do still prefer gender-assigned bathrooms, which includes children, for privacy reasons like adults are afforded every day. Some may argue public places should have mixed-gender bathrooms but many people are not ready for that. (Family bathrooms are nice of course!)

    As for my misguided reaction to the volunteer dads in school, please try to be in my shoes. This is my first baby, the volunteer dad in class on the first day of school was a complete stranger to me. I couldn't even see his face. I had met all the moms and teachers before the school year started, but not all the dads including him.

    For the record, I never suggested removing dads from class. I didn't address who should take the boys to the potty simply because I don't have a son and the only child I had an opinion about was my own. I don't govern other peoples' parenting. When I blogged about my experience it was just that - my experience, just like I blog about the apple pies I make and crafts my kids do. I did not consider personal posts to be anything other than a record of my experience.

    Although I have been treated horribly by certain activists and threatened with violence (an FBI report was filed) I do have the wisdom to see that the broader message of MRA is worthy of attention. Paternity fraud, unfair custody battles, certain child support procedures, false accusations and double standards that plague men are an unfair set back to human rights.

    Feminism claims a premise of the "radical notion that women are people". Men are people too. So are children. We all deserve fair treatment from the justice system and each other. Women are just as capable of committing crimes as men and should not be held less responsible when these instances occur.

    I apologize for my unintentional demonization of men and perpetuating the distrust men face in the world. Please know my fears stemmed from cultural osmosis and I never intended harm to anyone. The past few days have not been pleasant, but the experience has been a gift of awareness. The irony is not lost on me that my birthday is coming up. I am so, so much older than I was last Tuesday.

    This is not just a mommy blog. It is a powerful tool for spreading ideas. I will be more responsible in the future with such a platform.
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    I agree Percy I think we lost a chance both to learn how to speak with a feminist who is teetering over to being reasonable and a chance to hear what drives people to just automatically believe something as obviously flawed as an assertion that 99% of all sexual misconduct is perpetrated by men.

    I know my track record here may be seem as spotty at best in regards to my conduct with feminists that have come here in the past.

    But in my defence I rarely if ever gave someone a verbal thrashing here who did not come out swinging at me or members here first.

    So you can take my opinion on this as you see fit. But I think we would do well to give feminists either the benefit of the doubt or enough rope to hang themselves with. Either way we should give them a chance to participate.
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    Thanks Chev.
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    I Agree, Chev.

    And when someone comes here, uninvited and not frog-marched in, and says "Whoops, I am sorry I said that", our response must be "OK, apology accepted, now lets talk some more".
    Percy, I agree with your sentiments on this and I believe I understand why forgiveness is important for fostering dialogue. I am also willing to admit it is my failing that, when someone apologises, then continues to do the very wrong for which they apologised, I cannot find it in my heart to believe their apology is anything other than an attempt to avoid consequences. I am not judging you or your intent, only what I believe is the dishonesty of Karvunidis. Perhaps in time my belief will change.

    Next time a feminist turns up in Antimisandry, what I can do is leave the conversation to those who believe her, thus I will minimise the harm my presence causes. I think this will meet you in the middle without either of us needing to compromise our beliefs.

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    I think if we don't forgive their will be no reason to seek it. Nobody will bother changing if they think they are condemned already. We have to realize that sexism against men doesn't exist because people are evil, it exists because they are ignorant. People will learn right and wrong based on how society reacts to their actions, not from deep reflection. Most people are not philosophically inclined. If these behaviors and attitudes against men are never reacted to negatively, then people will never realize they are wrong. What we need is consciousness raising. Create awareness of our viewpoint. People need to hear it before they can agree with it. To be honest most men are ignorant of their situation, how can we expect women to care when men don't? Consciousness raising is necessity. Pose questions, try to get people to think. Then let them think. When people apologize we cannot get into frets about their honesty. We don't want to act like the feminists we seek to expose. The idea is to try to reach people, like Jenna, who are willing to learn. If you are just out to rage at people, you pretty much are feminists, just the male version. THAT is NOT our goal. It is to end misandry, and the first step in doing that is in making people aware that it exists, by explaining to them how their views are clearly sexist against men. And allowing them to reflect, and change their minds. Like Jenna. Who knows if she is sincere, maybe she is maybe she isn't, her apology was a hell of a lot more sincere that Osborne's on The View was. (her apology was fairly decent though) The MRA movement is not a crusade against "Jenna". I suggest consciousness raising as the goal, if you see sexism on blogs or articles, simply state that it is sexist and explain why, and give counter examples to put the woman in a mans shoes. The long term victory cannot be undermined by personal squabbles with every blogger who says something misandric, especially bloggers who have apologized and removed the misandric post!

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    I think if we don't forgive their will be no reason to seek it. Nobody will bother changing if they think they are condemned already. We have to realize that sexism against men doesn't exist because people are evil, it exists because they are ignorant.
    I believe in taking each case on its own merits. In this case the bigot (a) admitted she knew she was a bigot and (b) stated she had no problem with her own bigotry. I don't believe ignorance is an excuse in her case.


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    The idea is to try to reach people, like Jenna, who are willing to learn. If you are just out to rage at people, you pretty much are feminists, just the male version. THAT is NOT our goal. It is to end misandry, and the first step in doing that is in making people aware that it exists, by explaining to them how their views are clearly sexist against men. And allowing them to reflect, and change their minds.
    I agree, if Karvunidis had then stopped making bigoted comments once she made her apology. But she didn't. That is the crux of my disagreement with Percy, I understand the need to forgive but not if I believe an apology is just a tactical manoeuvre. My simplistic example is as follows:

    Bruce, you are a bastard. I'm sorry I called you a bastard, Bruce. Did I mention Bruce is a bastard?

    That is the pattern of Karvunidis' posts on her blog so far. She is still making misandrist comments but somehow its okay since she apologised.
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    In Australia, it is known as a "Clayton's Apology", the apology you have when you are not having an apology..

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    Hi guys, your favorite person Jenna here! I'll wait for the applause.

    I sent a similar message to Paul Elam and another member at A Voice For Men and I'd like to address your community here.

    Please help me to make this right with MRA. My original post was misguided. Worse was my initial reaction to harsh criticism. I just jumped with my gut instinct to fight fire with fire. Out of the blue my mom blog was pounded with stern comments pouring in so fast the server couldn't keep up. I freaked out in real time because I felt ambushed. It was a mistake I regret.

    I was unaware the people calling me a bigot had a broader message. I have since learned so much about MRA, a world view I had honestly never considered. To think I was perpetuating hate against a group sickens me. I am so sorry.

    I do still prefer gender-assigned bathrooms, which includes children, but if anything just for personal privacy like adults are afforded every day. Some may argue public places should have non-specified gender bathrooms but have you guys smelled the mens room? Kidding! But seriously, many people are not ready for that. (Family bathrooms are of course nice!)

    Please try to be in my shoes. This is my first baby, the volunteer dad in class the day I had to drop her off (the day my blog post was about) was a COMPLETE stranger to me. I couldn't even see his face. I had met all the moms and teachers before the school year started, but not all the dads. Not him.

    For the record, I NEVER suggested removing the dads from class. I never addressed who should take the boys to the potty simply because I don't have a son and the only child I had an opinion about was my own. I don't get into other peoples' business like that. When I blogged about my experience it was just that - my experience, just like I blog about apple pies I make and crafts my kids do. Who cares but me? (Btw, I have removed all images of my children from my blog and any posts about my family life. It's sad, but the truth is I was absolutely WAY too trusting of the world before this debacle. Ironic, huh?)

    The reason the school made a policy change was because no protocol had ever been in place. They told me upfront they would not and could not make a rule about which gender could take which child to the bathroom. I did not ask them to do that , but they did mention it anyway. Nearly every preschool has some kind of procedure in the bathroom with kids - sometimes it's a rule of threes, or that the caregiver must be visible from the classroom etc. This is all the school is doing. Just aligning themselves with similar institutions. I think they have done an excellent job of being fair.

    Please allow me to make this right. I am more than willing to write a sincere apology on my blog, highlight the MRA movement, post different stats and even make a donation to the cause.

    Please know with all sincerity I never meant to harm anyone.

    Jenna
    That apology was complete fake.

    "...with my gut instinct..." < Her gut instinct is that men are bad.

    "...a world view I had honestly never considered." < Because she's a misandrist so overlooks and personally commits crimes on men.

    "...but have you guys smelled the mens room? Kidding!" < No, she's not. Prejudiced people like to say what they really think, do, etc. and then pretend it's just a joke. It's very cliche. It's about forcing people to hear their hateful messages and preventing them from saying no, in hopes of converting/influincing them. A rape of the ears and brain, if you will. That if you don't play along with their offensive "humor," you must lack a sense of humor, be robotic, and therefore you must be the true psychopath... But, the psychopath is the one telling the "joke."

    "(Family bathrooms are of course nice!)" < Her implication is, "because women are using them, and they are therefore cleaner by default, because women are somehow all cleaner than men, and because men using a restroom also used by women must be being cleaner than usual for appearances." And, the second part of that implication in turn implies that men all seek to lie about themselves to women to get laid.

    "I had met all the moms and teachers before the school year started, but not all the dads." < That is incredibly unikely, unless she went out of her way to meet all of those people. And, if she's going out of her way to meet people to begin with, then not meeting the dads was a conscious decision. She assumed fathers would never volunteer, and that she would therefore never need to meet them in her quest to meet all people who might be around her child.

    "For the record, I NEVER suggested removing the dads from class." < This and similar claims, I just plain don't believe. Even when she is trying to pretend not to be a misandrist, she makes it clear she is one. So, the odds are that she did precisely that, ask for fathers to be removed, hince the school responded saying not to fixate on men like that. Remember... I already pointed out her own words clearly indicate she did not expect men to be volunteering. In her head, it is unnatural for men to care for children.

    "...the only child I had an opinion about was my own. I don't get into other peoples' business like that. When I blogged about my experience it was just that - my experience..." < Precisesly, you don't think about anyone but yourself, and people like you rate other people's matterings by how similar and close to you they are, puting men at the bottom of the list, because you clearly think men are your utter opposite.

    "Btw, I have removed all images of my children from my blog and any posts about my family life. It's sad, but the truth is I was absolutely WAY too trusting of the world before this debacle." < She still thinks you guys are perverts, rapists, murderers, etc. for being men who touch family subjects. AND< she wants you guys to know she's onto you, onto her IMAGINARY versions of you who are out to get her and her daughter.

    She goes on to try to point blame at the school. 'Oh, no! It was THEM! I swear! Bad them! Bad innocent school! It's all on you that I'm a crazy whack-job!'

    This is ridiculous. This woman is a hardcore misandrist, and a complete phoney, as they all are. They are psychopaths, you dolts, they LIE. Do not buy into her apology. It doesn't carry a shred of apologetics in it.

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    This is ridiculous. This woman is a hardcore misandrist, and a complete phoney, as they all are. They are psychopaths, you dolts, they LIE. Do not buy into her apology. It doesn't carry a shred of apologetics in it.

    That's a good point and a good reminder, thanks.
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    Check out this little gem I uncovered on I-Village Wedding 12 days ago - HELP! Baby drama - iVillage Message Boards - 107131716
    where JMK wrote under the name 'velvetminxx'. She removed the post (presumably because she knew her comments would be searched), but another poster copied/pasted her most disturbing comment:
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    The woman is a psycho bitch. Have you seen the shit she writes? She's a phony, a bigot and a bully. Her posts prove that.

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