Well I can't really speak about most other MRA forums & websites, but I can offer my perspective on this one.

All of us men & women here at Anti-Misandry (hereafter AM) come from different walks of life and therefore have different experiences. Some of us view feminism as evil by design, while others view it as something that started out good but went horribly wrong. Most of the anger at feminism comes from those who've been burned by our famiy court system (namely over custody and child support), been falsely accused of rape/sexual assault/domestic violence, been passed over for employment in favor of women, have had to endure misandry in the public square (e.g. "Boys are stupid; throw rocks at them", Men can't cook, clean or take care of children on TV, or situations where women dress provocatively but then get angry when men look at them). These are but a few examples.

Because we are all different here at AM, we're not all going to see feminism the exact same way. To be sure, I despise misandry myself, but there are some here who are much more strident about it than I am. I'm what you could consider "middle-of-the-road". Also, I am a traditionalist MRA, which means I oppose the emasculation of boys, support traditional gender roles and support a man's rightful place as head of his household (and a father if he has children).

I hope I've sufficiently answered your question. If not, then perhaps some of the others here might do a better job.

Again, welcome!

Well, I believe that the two points overlaps.
Maybe it is not yet clear to everyone, but femmism = hatred of males, there is no dicotomy.

Those femminist that tell you the story they "defend women against rape ....and so on" are just cheating. You, me, all of us defend women against rape, at the same extent.
They are just using these slogans as cover for their bad will, that is testified from what they do, not what they sell. Try to have a sane discussion with them; as soon as you will raise a point, you will be a "misogyny" maybe because you belive that a human being should not be jalied just upon a word of another human being, occasionally a woman.

When a movement (if you want to still refer to femminism this way) twists the meaning of words, pretending entitlments, deprecating the male dignity, lobbying for laws agaist men, advocating for privileges (at work, pensions, heathcare)...well it is clear that defending men rights implies to fight femminism, because it is hatred of males.

The only reason they attack MRA is that now they fear they have been exploited ... after decades of calm waters...during which, day after day they have built up a pyramid of privileges and cleared the meaning of fatherhood in first instance and now manhood.

Sorry but seeing this happening in most of "western world" despite different cultures and political orientations, the only common factor I see is that femminists are behind this shame.

But you are right on most of what you said. The real problem are politician and media, those that base their power on consensous. And also many men that simply do not act, just wait and see...

My best regards Haruhi, and keep on pushing. Do not be scared of femminist threats

Masculinst movement? We are not a direct counter to the feminist movement in such that we need a counter name, we seek equality for all, not just one side.

Anyway, pointing out double standards that the feminists support/created = attacking the feminist movement. They cannot be separated. We are not like the feminists, we are not just in it for ourselves. Like I said above, we are interested in equality for everyone, not just men and pointing out double standards is a huge part of that. You can't show how things are unequal without pointing out double standards.

In my humble opinion anyway.

The reason some of us have a problem with feminism is because of where it has come from and what it does... Feminism is deeply rooted in society and is currently behind much of the misandry out there. While feminism has convinced the public that they are for women's rights they are very selective about what rights they want. The problem is that historically there have been several women's movements. While some suffergattes were feminists, voting rights was not a feminist victory it was a victory of suffergattes. Feminism as a movement has been grounded in sexual freedom for women. It came out of radicals like Margret Sanger who were advocates for promiscuity. Feminism wasn't popular until the 1960's when it's leaders decided to take other womens rights movements under its wing. To this day feminists openly advocate for hate and violence and don't take action to distance themselves from feminists like Dorkin and Solonas. Martin Luther King Jr didn’t advocate the actions of Huey P. Newton and Bobby Seale, so why should feminists be exempt from the rule?

We combat Feminism because it uses a considerable amount of propaganda to blame men for things that they aren't at fault for. All men are not rapists, just a very small proportion of sicko's and abusers. However many public announcements advertise as if most men do it and the only way to end rape is to tell all men not to rape. Implying that all men are rapists dehumanizes them and makes them seem as if they are naturally less than human. In addition most feminists don't understand that the world for men was never easier but often harder yet they insist on blaming the "patriarchy"(Ie all men) for the experiences of women who enter a "guy's world". The women I find who can do the most don't listen to pariachry theory but work hard to get where they are. They are respected because they earned it, not because they asked for respect.

We combat feminists because they put up the barriers to discredit/dehumanize us and to minimize male problems.

I do see you are saying tho. We do need to be less focused on feminism and more on men (and women) overcoming problems...

Good question.

I was reading a book - Amazon.com: The Bible in World History: How History and Scripture Intersect (Illustrated Bible Handbook Series) (9781602606456): Dr. Stephen Leston, Christopher D. Hudson: Books.
The book stated that while the Middle East, Europe and Africa took to conquering and ruling, the Chinese and Asian peoples began to focus of their attention on their own moral, spiritual and social development. I feel that this has helped them to continue the success of marriages and keep out the feminist movement for as long as it has.

If everyone tries to do what is right, the feminist movement won't exist and the men's movement with inherently disappear as well. However, too many people in powerful positions don't care for what's right and it has been taken up by the women who have chosen this evil as their leader.

1/Most movements attack - political parties usually attack the government - later and to a lesser degree they then show what policies they have.

2/We have to stay in tune with what the feminists are thinking - and their "latest tricks".

3/However, when it comes to concrete policies, we do not lack them - but have you notice how having good logical arguements get you nowhere? (as humans our emotions and values - not logic/facts rule us!)

Its easy to say we are only attacking but the battle is on two fronts - attack AND give an alternative, and if you look around, you will find no shortage of men saying what needs to be done.

Quite often the solution is easy and can be summed up in a sentence or slogan.

That pretty much did answer my question. Thanks yall. Also, I can say that I fall under the traditional men's rights activist as well. or do I? I gotta figure that one out, but I use masculist because most MRAs identify as that. I thought it was the same thing, the same branch. We all all fighting for mens rights.

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That pretty much did answer my question. Thanks yall. Also, I can say that I fall under the traditional men's rights activist as well. or do I? I gotta figure that one out, but I use masculist because most MRAs identify as that. I thought it was the same thing, the same branch. We all all fighting for mens rights.

Not in my experience and I have been around for a little while.

Are MRA's the same as masculinists tho? I've been identifying as one the whole time I've been in this movement

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Are MRA's the same as masculinists tho? I've been identifying as one the whole time I've been in this movement

I don't know what a masculinist is, it sounds like a body builder to me. No, I have never identified in that way nor has any other MRA I've known. I guess you went to different corners of the internet than I did. :-)

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I gotta figure that one out, but I use masculist because most MRAs identify as that.

You couldn't be more wrong.....

I'd say we have to blame our (western) forefathers. They were distracted by the 'Great Patriarchy Scam'. The humblest little farm worker and coal miner thought he was a little lord in his own domain - but he was very skeptical. In practice he had two masters - his employer and his wife.

When the 60s and the pill came along, men thought they they were the ones being liberated.
If women had control of their fertility (they reasoned; see Neil Lyndon's earlier works) then there would be boundless free pussy and no more shotgun marriages. Let the good times roll!

Women became disillusioned first. The new freedom meant that the 'price of pussy' could be undercut by any passable young woman with a handbag full of pills. The women's camp was divided between educated young women who had theoretical ideas about what men 'should' be, and their mothers who were telling them how men really are. The mothers lost.

For several decades this was all over most men's heads. The few thinking men that had misgivings about the whole feminist project were easily sidelined as "standing in the way of equality". By the time the majority of men woke up to the real motives of the feminism it was too late.
Government and media had already been infiltrated by feminists, and all women believed they held the high moral ground. Left to themselves, men are basically rapists, pedophiles and wife-beaters. Only the controlling hand of women can make them useful members of society and keep them out of prison.

The MRM only exists because the feminist project has caused huge social dysruption and men are, at last, beginning to question the basic premise. What's more, MRAs are astonished and appalled at the way other men have colluded with a failed ideology for personal gain! The movement could never have got past base without its male puppets. The feminists are merely "paper tigers" that skillfully pulled strings.

Men were sold out by their own brothers. Come the 'Nuremberg Trials' they will plead, "I was just following orders"; "I was fighting for equality"; "I wanted a future for my pretty little daughters"; or simply "I was being a good citizen". We all know there'll be no such trials. But all those men are still war criminals.

The MRM, if such a vague concept exists, is in turmoil. It doesn't know what it wants or how to achieve it.
However there's a huge groundswell of negative energy - millions of men around the world could tell you what they don't want - in loud and insistent voices.

That is the basis of your question! We can't blame the MRM for being a reactionary movement. What else could it be? Since it works within a system that has already been commandeered by the opposition, it's a virtual movement that has its hands tied behind its back at all political levels.

But, but, but; Individual men will make a difference where political parties cannot. Men should order their lives according to what they now know. If they merely wait for 'government' to set things straight, it will be a long wait.

Nice post Yan Yan. The only thing I take issue with it is the idea that feminism infiltrated government. I believe government created feminism to infiltrate the family.

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Nice post Yan Yan. The only thing I take issue with it is the idea that feminism infiltrated government. I believe government created feminism to infiltrate the family.

Can't disagree with that. Maybe six of one and a half-dozen of the other.
We could phrase it many ways:
1. Government invented feminism.
2. Feminism surfaced and government was quick to spot a profit.
Or various combinations of the two. Either way it's bad news for men.