Can Tera identify any problems with feminism?
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Re: Can Tera identify any problems with feminism?
I cannot speak with confidence about the history of any other country but the one I live in...the US. I'm sure there are differences, of course, between England's history, New Zealand's history, every country's history.
What I'm saying is, take a look at how minorities and women accomplished what they have without having people in positions of authority, without having money (originally) to back them, and despite living in prejudiced societies. These gains were made DESPITE those original conditions. That's pretty powerful, don't you think? And if we can understand WHY that is, perhaps therein is the key to helping the MRA movement also achieve success.
I'd like to elaborate, but if I don't get going I'm going to be late for my classes.
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Re: Can Tera identify any problems with feminism?
The Illuminati which includes the Rockefella family, designed and engineered “Feminism” which they then promoted through the media which they both own and control.
The word “Illuminati” means “The enlightened ones” they get their enlightenment from “Lucifer” the name “Lucifer” means “The Light giver” or “The Light bearer”
These people make no secret that they are under a satanic anointing, they openly display the devil salute, and why not, as the average person is so lacking in discernment that they can get away with it.
The Illuminati are promoting the New World Order which is a One World Government which is the political arm of the Beast / Image to the Beast system as seen by John the revelator when the Lord brought him forward 2,000 years to the day in which I live.
Robert.
- 11th-April-2008 #18
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Hi Tera,
You state, “The power of that makes me proud to be an American”
600,000+ Innocent Iraqis have been MURDERED and you are proud to be an American ?
Countless Iraqis have lost an arm or a leg and you are proud to be an American ?
Numerous Iraqis have had their home destroyed and are now homeless and you are proud to be an American ?
Thousands of Iraqis have had their families ripped apart and you are proud to be an American ?
One Iraqi man had to sell his own daughter to get money to feed and clothe the rest of his family and you are proud to be an American ?
There is insufficient medicine and parents have to stand and watch their children die and you are proud to be an American ?
Electicity supplies are cut much of the time and you are proud to be an American ?
The infrastructure of Iraq has been destroyed and you are proud to be an American ?
The soil in Iraq is now radiated and you are proud to be an American ?
Numerous Iraqi babies have been born malformed due to radiation and you are proud to be an American ?
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Re: Can Tera identify any problems with feminism?
Hi Tera,
Here are some articles that might help you with your sociology class (and, indeed, this thread with respect to affirmative action / political correctness / 'positive discrimination' , et C..)
I would hint that it is beneficial to regard the first few links as statist political sciences, and the last link (provided by my good self) as an example of how these sciences are utilised in modern times ;-) .
Regards,
E F
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8630135369495797236
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism
http://www.academia.org/lectures/lind1.html
http://exposingfeminism.wordpress.co...fault-divorce/Feminism purports to concern itself only with equality - but in reality propagates mistrust, tension and hatred between the sexes.
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Re: Can Tera identify any problems with feminism?
I think it's a good idea to look at how and why feminism succeeded. Any number of people have done that. We know the answer, and unfortunately, it won't work for us.
Feminists started out saying that women deserved equal rights along with men. And enough men agreed with them that they were all able to work together to make it happen. I realize that's a very simplistic view, but that's it in a nutshell.
The problem is what feminism has become. It's no longer about winning equal rights for women. It's about guaranteeing women equal outcomes, not matter how big of a head start we have to give them. And really, it isn't even about that - it's about guaranteeing that women come out on top in every conceivable way.
It's a very popular movement, what with all the myths about how oppressed women still are. Domestic violence, the wage gap, all men are rapists - these are only a few of the myths that have been debunked over and over and over again. But it's easy to make someone believe something when it benefits them. You should know this, given your studies.
So what worked for feminism is impossible to use for men's rights. Because the popular belief is that men already have all the rights, and the ones they don't have, they don't deserve. Convince women to give up their clear advantage by appealing to their sense of justice? Yeah, that's gonna happen.
- 11th-April-2008 #23
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Iraq needs to kiss the USA's ass for being over there.................those fuckers would really be whining if we did what we SHOULD do and stand down and let israel handle security in that part of the world........................yeah buddy, the same Israel who kicked the whole camel contingent's ass in a war and made it home to watch the game on sunday
the USA has bailed out every fuckin nation in the world and been shit on every time.....................I say fuck helping ANY forigners..........and if any nation has a problem with the US thats ok cuz we got stockpiles the size of your nation
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Re: Can Tera identify any problems with feminism?
How are women coming out on top in "every conceivable way"? More women and children live in poverty than men. More men hold political offices and positions of authority. In some areas of the world, women do not yet have equality.
But women are always coming out on top?
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Re: Can Tera identify any problems with feminism?
- Timeline for women's suffrage, globally:
- 1755
- 1756-1778
- 1776
New Jersey (rescinded in 1807)
[edit] 19th century
- 1838
- 1861
South Australia (Only property-owning women for local elections, universal franchise in 1894)
- 1862
- 1864
Women in Victoria, Australia were unintentionally enfranchised by the Electoral Act (1863), and proceeded to vote in the following year's elections. The Act was amended in 1865 to correct the error.[1]
- 1869
United Kingdom (only in local elections, universal franchise in 1894)
- 1869-1920
States and territories of the USA, progressively, starting with the Wyoming Territory in 1869 and Utah Territory in 1870. The latter was repealed by the U.S. Congress through the Edmunds-Tucker Act in 1887. Wyoming acquired statehood in 1890 (Utah in 1896) and thus 1892 was the first United States presidential election in which women cast legal votes. The USA as a whole acquired women's suffrage in 1920 (see below) through the Nineteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution; voting qualifications in the U.S., even in federal elections, are set by the states, and this amendment prohibited states from discriminating on the basis of sex.

Statue of Esther Hobart Morris in front of the Wyoming State Capitol
- 1881
Isle of Man (only property-owners until 1913, universal franchise in 1919.)
- 1884
Canada Widows and spinsters granted the right to vote within municipalities in Ontario (later to other provinces).[2]
- 1886
Republic of Tavolara grants universal suffrage.[3][4] Monarchy restored 1899.
- 1889
Franceville grants universal suffrage.[5] Loses self-rule within months.
- 1893
New Zealand September 19 (including Maori women, although barred from standing for election.)
Cook Islands
- 1894
South Australia grants universal suffrage, extending the franchise to all women (property-owners could vote in local elections from 1861), the first in Australia to do so. Women are also granted the right to stand for parliament, making South Australia the first in the world to do so.
United Kingdom extends right to vote in local elections to married women.
- 1899
[edit] 20th century
[edit] 1900s
- 1902
Commonwealth of Australia (The Australian Constitution gave the federal franchise to all persons allowed to vote for the lower house in each state unless the Commonwealth Parliament stipulated otherwise. Thus, South Australian and Western Australian women could vote in the first federal election in 1901. During the first Parliament, the Commonwealth passed legislation extending federal franchise to non-Aboriginal women in all states.)
New South Wales
- 1903
- 1905
- 1906
Finland First country to give both the right to vote and stand for elections.
New Hebrides Perhaps inspired by the Franceville experiment, the Anglo-French Condominium of the New Hebrides granted women the right to vote in municipal elections and to serve on elected municipal councils. (These rights applied only to British, French, and other colonists, not to indigenous islanders.)[6]

The argument over women's rights in Victoria was lampooned in this Melbourne Punch cartoon of 1887
[edit] 1910s
- 1913
- 1915
- 1916
Canada (Alberta, Manitoba and Saskatchewan only, others later on)
- 1918
Azerbaijan
Austria
Canada on federal level (last province to enact women's suffrage was Quebec in 1940)
Estonia
Germany
Latvia
Poland
Russian SFSR
United Kingdom (see Representation of the People Act 1918: women above the age of 30, compared to 21 for men and 19 for those who had fought in World War One. Various property qualifications remained.)
- 1919
Armenia
Belarus[citation needed]
Belgium (only at municipal level)
Georgia
Hungary (full suffrage granted in 1945)
Luxembourg
Netherlands (right to stand in election granted in 1917)
Ukraine
[edit] 1920s
- 1920
Albania
Czechoslovakia (split into the Czech Republic and Slovakia on January 1, 1993)
United States (All remaining states)
- 1921
- 1922
Irish Free State - nowadays known as the Republic of Ireland - (equal suffrage granted upon independence from UK)
Burma
Yucatán, Mexico (regional and congress elections only)
- 1924
Mongolia (No electoral system in place prior to this year)
Saint Lucia
Tajik SSR
- 1925
Italy (local elections only)
- 1927
- 1928
United Kingdom (franchise equal to that for men)
- 1929
Ecuador
Puerto Rico (to vote)
[edit] 1930s
- 1930
South Africa (only granted to white women on the same basis as white men; black women did not qualify for the vote even though some black men did)
Turkey
- 1931
- 1932
- 1934
Cuba
Portugal expands suffrage
Turkey expands suffrage
Tabasco, Mexico (regional and congress elections only)
- 1935
- 1937
- 1938
- 1939
[edit] 1940s
- 1940
Quebec becomes the final Canadian province to give female suffrage.
- 1941
Panama (with restrictions)
- 1942
- 1944
- 1945
France (October 21)
Indonesia (Dutch East Indies)
Japan (with restrictions)
Senegal
Togo (French Togoland)
Yugoslavia
- 1946
Cameroon
Djibouti (French Somaliland)
Guatemala
Kenya
North Korea[1]
Italy (June 2)
Liberia (Americo women only; indigenous men and women were not enfranchised until 1951)
The British Mandate of Palestine
Romania (with restrictions)
Venezuela
Vietnam
- 1947
- 1948
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights adopted by the UN includes Article 21: The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.
Belgium
Israel
Iraq
Italy
South Korea
Niger
Dutch Guiana (now Suriname)
- 1949
[edit] 1950s
- 1950
- 1951
Antigua and Barbuda
Dominica
Grenada
Nepal
Saint Christopher-Nevis-Anguilla
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
- 1952
United Nations enacts Convention on the Political Rights of Women
Bolivia
Côte d'Ivoire (Ivory Coast)
Greece
Lebanon
- 1953
Bhutan
British Guiana (now Guyana)
Hungary
Mexico (extended to all women and for national elections)
- 1954
British Honduras (now Belize)
Colombia
Gold Coast (now Ghana)
- 1955
- 1956
Dahomey (now Benin)
Comoros
Egypt
Gabon
Mali (French Sudan)
Mauritius
Pakistan (right extended to national level)
Somalia (British Somaliland)
- 1957
Malaya (now Malaysia)
Southern Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe)
- 1958
Upper Volta (now Burkina Faso)
Chad
Guinea
Laos
Nigeria-South-
- 1959
[edit] 1960s
- 1960
- 1961
- 1962
Algeria
Australia: franchise extended to Aboriginal men and women.
Brunei Revoked (including men)
Monaco
Uganda
Northern Rhodesia (now Zambia)
- 1963
- 1964
- 1965
Afghanistan (revoked under Taliban rule 1996-2001) [7]
Botswana (Bechuanaland)
Lesotho (Basutoland)
- 1967
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Ecuador
Kiribati (Gilbert Islands)
Tuvalu (Ellice Islands)
South Yemen
- 1968
[edit] 1970s
- 1970
- 1971
Switzerland (on the federal level; introduced on the Cantonal level from 1958-1990)
- 1972
- 1974
- 1975
- 1976
Portugal (restrictions lifted)
- 1977
- 1978
[edit] 1980s
[edit] 1990s
- 1990
Samoa (Western Samoa)
Switzerland (the Canton of Appenzell Innerrhoden is forced by the Federal Supreme Court of Switzerland to accept women's suffrage)
- 1994
Kazakhstan
South Africa: franchise extended to black men and women.
- 1997
[edit] 21st century
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Re: Can Tera identify any problems with feminism?
BobYork:
For the record there are many things I don't agree with about the politics of this country. Too many to list here. And the war in Iraq is definitely one of them. So is slavery. I'm not happy about the inequality that exists in our judicial system, or in law enforcement, either.
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Re: Can Tera identify any problems with feminism?
Tera, have you any tables that compare the voting status of men who do not own land in those countries also?
Feminism purports to concern itself only with equality - but in reality propagates mistrust, tension and hatred between the sexes.
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Re: Can Tera identify any problems with feminism?
I ask because in the UK for example, men who did not own land did ALSO not recieve voting rights until the representation of the people act 1918 , yet feminism remembers this event chiefly as a victory for sexual - and not also social equality.
What have you to say about this?Feminism purports to concern itself only with equality - but in reality propagates mistrust, tension and hatred between the sexes.
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Re: Can Tera identify any problems with feminism?
No I don't have that information but would like very much to see it. I concede, there are times throughout history that men could not vote, either, unless they owned land, for example. If you could post a timeline on the history of men's right to vote, I think that would be fantastic!
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