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    Re: Can Tera identify any problems with feminism?

    I cannot speak with confidence about the history of any other country but the one I live in...the US. I'm sure there are differences, of course, between England's history, New Zealand's history, every country's history.

    What I'm saying is, take a look at how minorities and women accomplished what they have without having people in positions of authority, without having money (originally) to back them, and despite living in prejudiced societies. These gains were made DESPITE those original conditions. That's pretty powerful, don't you think? And if we can understand WHY that is, perhaps therein is the key to helping the MRA movement also achieve success.

    I'd like to elaborate, but if I don't get going I'm going to be late for my classes.

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    Re: Can Tera identify any problems with feminism?

    The Illuminati which includes the Rockefella family, designed and engineered “Feminism” which they then promoted through the media which they both own and control.

    The word “Illuminati” means “The enlightened ones” they get their enlightenment from “Lucifer” the name “Lucifer” means “The Light giver” or “The Light bearer”

    These people make no secret that they are under a satanic anointing, they openly display the devil salute, and why not, as the average person is so lacking in discernment that they can get away with it.

    The Illuminati are promoting the New World Order which is a One World Government which is the political arm of the Beast / Image to the Beast system as seen by John the revelator when the Lord brought him forward 2,000 years to the day in which I live.



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    Re: Can Tera identify any problems with feminism?

    Hi Tera,

    You state, “The power of that makes me proud to be an American”

    600,000+ Innocent Iraqis have been MURDERED and you are proud to be an American ?

    Countless Iraqis have lost an arm or a leg and you are proud to be an American ?

    Numerous Iraqis have had their home destroyed and are now homeless and you are proud to be an American ?

    Thousands of Iraqis have had their families ripped apart and you are proud to be an American ?

    One Iraqi man had to sell his own daughter to get money to feed and clothe the rest of his family and you are proud to be an American ?

    There is insufficient medicine and parents have to stand and watch their children die and you are proud to be an American ?

    Electicity supplies are cut much of the time and you are proud to be an American ?

    The infrastructure of Iraq has been destroyed and you are proud to be an American ?

    The soil in Iraq is now radiated and you are proud to be an American ?

    Numerous Iraqi babies have been born malformed due to radiation and you are proud to be an American ?

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    Re: Can Tera identify any problems with feminism?

    Hi Tera,

    Here are some articles that might help you with your sociology class (and, indeed, this thread with respect to affirmative action / political correctness / 'positive discrimination' , et C..)

    I would hint that it is beneficial to regard the first few links as statist political sciences, and the last link (provided by my good self) as an example of how these sciences are utilised in modern times ;-) .

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    http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8630135369495797236
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism
    http://www.academia.org/lectures/lind1.html
    http://exposingfeminism.wordpress.co...fault-divorce/
    Feminism purports to concern itself only with equality - but in reality propagates mistrust, tension and hatred between the sexes.

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    Re: Can Tera identify any problems with feminism?

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    If the MRA movement could realize the benefits of letting go of the "us against them" attitude, perhaps MRA's could form powerful alliances and be recognized as part of a much larger movement (human rights)- one that almost no one opposes. What power and influence could be had!

    Do you really think that men started this? Aren't you cutting your sisters too much slack?
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    Re: Can Tera identify any problems with feminism?

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    I cannot speak with confidence about the history of any other country but the one I live in...the US. I'm sure there are differences, of course, between England's history, New Zealand's history, every country's history.

    What I'm saying is, take a look at how minorities and women accomplished what they have without having people in positions of authority, without having money (originally) to back them, and despite living in prejudiced societies. These gains were made DESPITE those original conditions. That's pretty powerful, don't you think? And if we can understand WHY that is, perhaps therein is the key to helping the MRA movement also achieve success.

    I'd like to elaborate, but if I don't get going I'm going to be late for my classes.

    In other words, "Stop whining and get busy" - never heard that one before
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    Re: Can Tera identify any problems with feminism?

    I think it's a good idea to look at how and why feminism succeeded. Any number of people have done that. We know the answer, and unfortunately, it won't work for us.

    Feminists started out saying that women deserved equal rights along with men. And enough men agreed with them that they were all able to work together to make it happen. I realize that's a very simplistic view, but that's it in a nutshell.

    The problem is what feminism has become. It's no longer about winning equal rights for women. It's about guaranteeing women equal outcomes, not matter how big of a head start we have to give them. And really, it isn't even about that - it's about guaranteeing that women come out on top in every conceivable way.

    It's a very popular movement, what with all the myths about how oppressed women still are. Domestic violence, the wage gap, all men are rapists - these are only a few of the myths that have been debunked over and over and over again. But it's easy to make someone believe something when it benefits them. You should know this, given your studies.

    So what worked for feminism is impossible to use for men's rights. Because the popular belief is that men already have all the rights, and the ones they don't have, they don't deserve. Convince women to give up their clear advantage by appealing to their sense of justice? Yeah, that's gonna happen.

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    Re: Can Tera identify any problems with feminism?

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    Hi Tera,

    You state, “The power of that makes me proud to be an American”

    600,000+ Innocent Iraqis have been MURDERED and you are proud to be an American ?

    Countless Iraqis have lost an arm or a leg and you are proud to be an American ?

    Numerous Iraqis have had their home destroyed and are now homeless and you are proud to be an American ?

    Thousands of Iraqis have had their families ripped apart and you are proud to be an American ?

    One Iraqi man had to sell his own daughter to get money to feed and clothe the rest of his family and you are proud to be an American ?

    There is insufficient medicine and parents have to stand and watch their children die and you are proud to be an American ?

    Electicity supplies are cut much of the time and you are proud to be an American ?

    The infrastructure of Iraq has been destroyed and you are proud to be an American ?

    The soil in Iraq is now radiated and you are proud to be an American ?

    Numerous Iraqi babies have been born malformed due to radiation and you are proud to be an American ?
    Iraq needs to kiss the USA's ass for being over there.................those fuckers would really be whining if we did what we SHOULD do and stand down and let israel handle security in that part of the world........................yeah buddy, the same Israel who kicked the whole camel contingent's ass in a war and made it home to watch the game on sunday
    the USA has bailed out every fuckin nation in the world and been shit on every time.....................I say fuck helping ANY forigners..........and if any nation has a problem with the US thats ok cuz we got stockpiles the size of your nation

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    Re: Can Tera identify any problems with feminism?

    How are women coming out on top in "every conceivable way"? More women and children live in poverty than men. More men hold political offices and positions of authority. In some areas of the world, women do not yet have equality.

    But women are always coming out on top?

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    Re: Can Tera identify any problems with feminism?



    [edit] 19th century




    Statue of Esther Hobart Morris in front of the Wyoming State Capitol



    • 1881
      • Isle of Man (only property-owners until 1913, universal franchise in 1919.)

    • 1884
      • Canada Widows and spinsters granted the right to vote within municipalities in Ontario (later to other provinces).[2]

    • 1886

    • 1889
      • Franceville grants universal suffrage.[5] Loses self-rule within months.

    • 1893

    • 1894
      • South Australia grants universal suffrage, extending the franchise to all women (property-owners could vote in local elections from 1861), the first in Australia to do so. Women are also granted the right to stand for parliament, making South Australia the first in the world to do so.
      • United Kingdom extends right to vote in local elections to married women.

    • 1899



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    The argument over women's rights in Victoria was lampooned in this Melbourne Punch cartoon of 1887





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    Re: Can Tera identify any problems with feminism?

    BobYork:

    For the record there are many things I don't agree with about the politics of this country. Too many to list here. And the war in Iraq is definitely one of them. So is slavery. I'm not happy about the inequality that exists in our judicial system, or in law enforcement, either.

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    Re: Can Tera identify any problems with feminism?

    Tera, have you any tables that compare the voting status of men who do not own land in those countries also?
    Feminism purports to concern itself only with equality - but in reality propagates mistrust, tension and hatred between the sexes.

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    Re: Can Tera identify any problems with feminism?

    I ask because in the UK for example, men who did not own land did ALSO not recieve voting rights until the representation of the people act 1918 , yet feminism remembers this event chiefly as a victory for sexual - and not also social equality.

    What have you to say about this?
    Feminism purports to concern itself only with equality - but in reality propagates mistrust, tension and hatred between the sexes.

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    I ask because in the UK for example, men who did not own land did ALSO not recieve voting rights until the representation of the people act 1918 , yet feminism remembers this event chiefly as a victory for sexual - and not also social equality.

    What have you to say about this?

    A good point - selective memory ?

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    Re: Can Tera identify any problems with feminism?

    No I don't have that information but would like very much to see it. I concede, there are times throughout history that men could not vote, either, unless they owned land, for example. If you could post a timeline on the history of men's right to vote, I think that would be fantastic!


 
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