anti-feminism is a confusing topic, many like christina hoff-sommers have the same goals feminism claims to have (not the truth) but disagree with the feminist method...for obvious reasons, i fall into a similar category im all for equality and breaking gender roles, but feminism isnt for that, so in a way i am "anti-feminist".

There is nothing wrong with a belief that women can do something about it, but to say women can do it alone is bullshit

anti-feminist can also mean someone who simply opposes feminism

there really is not "anti-feminist" movement its a strange hybrid of the MRM and Feminism

The logic of saying that a person who has goals that are not in the feminist guidebook is still a feminist has never made much sense to me..

Many feminists are misandrists, but are they really? The fact that a few clearly are, doesnt mean they all are..

Many "feminists" are more than anything anti-family. The feminist movement is more anti-family than anything else, in practice, because that is primarily what the elites use feminise as a means to achieve, breaking down loyalty to the family and replacing it with loyalty to the state, the slavemasters, the elites..

and when folk claim to be antifeminists, but proclaim identical aims to feminists, whats all that about? Cant be "opposing it" can it?

like i said they stand for everything feminism CLAIMS to stand for....not the truth

or, it can be less about the ideas and more about the approach dont get methods and ideas mixed together there is more than one way to mecca

like i said they stand for everything feminism CLAIMS to stand for....not the truth

or, it can be less about the ideas and more about the approach dont get methods and ideas mixed together there is more than one way to mecca

How can "feminism" stand for anything other than what it proclaims?

To confuse the aims of feminism, with what certain self-proclaimed "feminists" are about, is surely a mistake?

And a movement that calls itself "antifeminist" that stands for the same things as feminists are standing for.. Would perhaps be better named.. "the real feminist movement" or something?

To state that you stand for the same things as a the feminist movement, yet define yourself as opposed to it, makes little logical sense..

The "mecca" seems to be gender hermophradism, which is unreal surely?

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Many "feminists" are more than anything anti-family. The feminist movement is more anti-family than anything else, in practice, because that is primarily what the elites use feminise as a means to achieve, breaking down loyalty to the family and replacing it with loyalty to the state, the slavemasters, the elites..

I agree with this. My primary issue with the feminist movement has always been their anti - family efforts.

That and the images they put forth about men and demand that everyone believe. That men are bullies, violent, stupid, selfish, controlling and neglectful as fathers and husbands.

But then, the anti-male propaganda prolly has to work before you can get the anti-family plan into action.

-H

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How can "feminism" stand for anything other than what it proclaims?

To confuse the aims of feminism, with what certain self-proclaimed "feminists" are about, is surely a mistake?

And a movement that calls itself "antifeminist" that stands for the same things as feminists are standing for.. Would perhaps be better named.. "the real feminist movement" or something?

To state that you stand for the same things as a the feminist movement, yet define yourself as opposed to it, makes little logical sense..

The "mecca" seems to be gender hermophradism, which is unreal surely?

feminism has always claimed to be about equality but we all know its not its about dominance (or somewhere along the lines it changed to that) Its called a hidden motive and being deceptive...i figured that was pretty much known about feminism

an anti-feminist would say that they are actually about equality and the way feminism does things is wrong. So yes, perhaps the real feminist movement would be a better title. But i didnt pick it

think of it like this, feminism puts on a mask of equality but has a hideous body. People agree with the mask but not the body so they want to rip off the mask and take that but nothing else. Its not an easy task

or going with option b it is about dominance through a different manner. The thing about mecca is an example about methods, similar to the phrase "theres more than one way to skin a cat"

we have the same thing here savage dad had a post about letting everything fall apart so we can reconstruct it the way we want, where i would rather change the system as of now we want the same results but have radically different approaches

since feminism is supposedly " a big lie" told by feminists.. Then there is no reason to suspect that antifeminists are any different..

Tis the nature of folk to present a completely different set of ideals to what you are REALLY about in order to get support..

"equality" and gender hermophradism under state control doesnt work well no matter whether feminists or antifeminists are handling it.. Its still anti-family!

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I agree with this. My primary issue with the feminist movement has always been their anti - family efforts.

That and the images they put forth about men and demand that everyone believe. That men are bullies, violent, stupid, selfish, controlling and neglectful as fathers and husbands.

But then, the anti-male propaganda prolly has to work before you can get the anti-family plan into action.

-H

of course, in order to get control of the family OFF men (where it was) the feminists had to invalidate mens powers there.. Once they have broken that one, they had the control where they needed it. In thier own hands!

but like i said there are a few categories of antifeminists

-those what want to take a different approach
-those what oppose feminism
-that that believe ideals of the feminists lies and that feminism is counter productive

they arent homogeneous, they arent (generally) associated with eachother and they all need better names

i guess what I am leading up to, or trying to provoke discussion of, is what can the MRM DO to offer alternatives as opposed to the tedious constant bashing of feminism? Which as far as I can see, is futile..

Some MRM types have ideas for creation of useful subcultures etc..

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i guess what I am leading up to, or trying to provoke discussion of, is what can the MRM DO to offer alternatives as opposed to the tedious constant bashing of feminism? Which as far as I can see, is futile..

Some MRM types have ideas for creation of useful subcultures etc..

then why didnt you say that in the first place, yes i agree bashing feminism doesnt get anything done

it really comes down to political/social activism and creation and/or destruction of social institution, we need to pick the weak targets first...not that any of them are weak at this point but that sadly means DV and family court come last

i say we aim for getting women involved in social conscription, or id prefer to drop it all together as it is basically blasts mental problems towards men from every direction

in order to have a working system that functions well and does not fail, within the current femistatist system, all that is needed is a for a man to find himself a woman who agrees that he is the head of the relationship..

Simple as that really!

Of course, that woman needs to be worthy of breeding with, which, sadly, rules out a lot more women than would otherwise be the case!

But, its not an impossible quest!

The real cluster fucks are the pansies who call themselves MRAS and yet fall their faces when some haddock's feelings get hurt! The same specimens who boast and brag about how many women they've porked, then turn around and practice friendly fire when no one approves of their pimp daddy bull shit!!! If you are an MRA or an anti feminist who has done their part to expose feminism as socialist cancer and convinced men and women steer free of it, more power to you.
As for the colossal hand jobs who are here to play make believe and tow the PC party line, do yourself a favor and find some other forum to spread your garbage!!!