1. if wife beaters are wimps who wont fight another man, how do you explain the record of domestic violence for guys like sugar ray leanord, mike tyson, joe louis, jake lamotta, floyd mayweather, diego corrales, and stone cold steve austin?
2. if men hate women, why do so many men kill other men over women?

Question #1: I don't know any "wife beaters" personally except my ex...(and I don't like the term "wife beater" but o.k.)....and he wasn't a giant man (he's 5 ft. 8, roughly 150 pounds)...but he's no wimp either. He's the youngest of 3 brothers, and he grew up fighting...fighting them, fighting others...he had a a lot of anger issues even before he was in elementary school. I've seen him fight with other men...and his brothers...and he never lost a fight that I witnessed. In fact, I don't think he's lost a fight ever. He's been 86'd from most bars and taverns for fighting. And personally, I've seen him take on four guys who were bigger than him, all at the same time, and win.

He may not have been big like Mike Tyson, but in my view, size doesn't matter as much as does skill and having a crazy temper.

Question #2: Most men don't hate women. I would say that even the small percentage of men who are abusive to women don't hate women. My ex didn't hate me. He loved me. He just didn't know how to control his temper. And he was somewhat paranoid, jealous, and possessive...and controlling...because he really thought that he had to fight off every guy who might even think about looking my way. Sometimes he imagined things that did not occur. I remember a time when he almost got himself arrested for beating up a guy at a bar who he swore looked at my ass when I walked past him. The poor guy had no clue what was going on.

It didn't help at all that there were several incidents where guys approached me, flirted with me, or made direct sexual advances toward me right in front of him. Of course these things mainly happened in bars, which is really no great surprise considering the amount of alcohol some people consume and the loss of proper judgment that occurs when one is drunk...but each time something like that happened, it fed his paranoia and made him crazy. I think he honestly thought that every guy was a potential threat to our relationship. I could never get him to fully comprehend that it didn't matter if a hundred drunk men hit on me, I would never cheat on him. They weren't threats. But he never saw it that way.

I stopped playing darts on leagues with him. The two of us being at a bar together always spelled disaster. And of course, me being in a bar without him (playing darts on a team that he wasn't on) wasn't acceptable either. He couldn't stand me being out of his sight. I guess he figured I couldn't take care of myself. Or maybe it was a pride thing. I don't know.

ok ya damn hippie
I didnt ask you to come in my thread and fuck it up with logic, facts and rationality
LOL
yeah size really aint shit, it doesnt even really effect the power of your punches, im 6 foot tall and 147 and I have KO'd guys much bigger than me
in fighting experience is more important than temper, in fact your temper will get your ass whipped cuz when you are too mad you revert to throwing haymakers trying to get that one hitter quitter
also going to the body is important too

2. that dude needed that beatdown, but quit wearin your unwashed bell bottom jeans so tight hippie t

LOL....honestly...that dude didn't have a clue why he was being attacked...as God is my witness, that guy was not looking at my ass.

But there was another incident (the one where he ended up fighting four guys) that he was probably justified in picking a fight. There was a guy who walked right up to me and put his phone number in my shirt pocket and walked off...and this guy knew I was married, and knew my husband was just a few feet away, and he was too drunk to give a shit. My ex saw the whole thing and understandably got a bit upset. He took the piece of paper with the phone number on it, walked over to that guy's table, and stuck the paper right into his beer.

Next thing I knew, the two were fighting, and three of the guy's buddies decided to join in.

It was rough....the whole damn tavern exploded into chaos...people fighting, chairs being picked up and thrown, tables overturned (no joke) and the police showed up.

But amazingly they arrested the guy who put the phone number in my pocket, and didn't arrest my husband. But he was 86'd from that bar for life. Our dart team was first place that season...but we had to forfeit our matches at that bar for the rest of the season because he wasn't allowed to come back again.

Whoever said wife beaters are whimps?
If it was a woman it should be overlooked to start with.

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what about this notion of personal responsibility

were we around when cupcake winked at her psychopath

later she whines that he is doing what a come naturally

beating the living shit outta her

I didn't "wink" at my "pychopath"....he pursued me....relentlessly. But I grew to love him.

Yep that's right. I loved him. I still do. Probably always will.

Does this surprise you?

"I didn't "wink" at my "pychopath"....he pursued me....relentlessly. But I grew to love him."

Dar is no accounting fer taste

psychopaths are loveless guiltless users and abusers -

Maybe so....but I didn't know how deeply that went until I'd been with him awhile....and by then, I loved him.

Psychopaths don't come with warning labels.

But then again, being the way I was back then (rebellious, independent, strong willed, overly convinced that I could change people)...I probably would've ignored the "label" had there been one.

You live and learn.

Well sometimes, anyway.

hahaha!

Beating women is the new in thing? Nice touch.

But then, that is what is normal in relationships. Each fights back sooner or later if they are not killed in the process.

I know this was a joke, but I wanted to say - in my family we fought back ALL THE TIME (soon as we were old enough to be able to!). Much as I hate the stereotype of "men hate women so they beat them", I equally hate the stereotype of the wife and kids cowering in the corner. Grow some balls ladies and get out (oh sorry was that sexist?)

Quote: "I equally hate the stereotype of the wife and kids cowering in the corner."

As do I. It's not very realistic. Takes courage to stay, takes courage to leave. Women in those types of relationships aren't wimps. Neither are the men.

Stereotypes.

I guess they are easy to believe unless you've been there yourself.

Maybe it's because stupid people have stupid arguments and do stupid things?

Normal people leave a relationship before it comes to fisticuffs... in fact, normal people don't tend to choose violent morons without manners as partners.

Because so many people are morons? The same people that do this kind of stuff also kill over other trivial crap. Don't bother looking for logic in crazy people's mind...