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From a recent article by Jessica Valenti
women work outside the home, but they make about 76 cents to a man's dollar and make up the majority of Americans living in povertyI think I tackled the wage gap quite often and out of my mind when we look at more than raw wages and factor working time in women make 92 - 95 cents to a man's dollar and there is no proof that this gap is caused by discrimination.
Back to the majority of Americans living in poverty, which I also tackled before. And what can I say the new numbers are here, drumroll please:
U.S. Census Bureau Current Population Survey, Annual Social and Economic Supplement, 2009A 2% difference. But there is something that the statistic do not show us.
Poverty Status in 2008
Men living in poverty: 12%
Women living in poverty: 14%
Alimony and child support
Both of those are threated as monthly bills. What does this mean. Imagine a household with husband wife and one kid. Once the income in that household falls below a certain level, this family is listed as living in poverty. Now after a divorce it is assumed (by the statistic) that the one, who is not living with the children does not have to pay alimony and child support and is therefor less likely to be listed as living in poverty. Keep in mind that after someone who has to pay child support loses his job it can take quite a long time to adjust alimony and child support payments. Often those who have to pay child support are fathers. Some numbers:
In the past decade, child-support collections from the estimated 11 million fathers who do not live with their children have nearly doubled, to more than $18 billion a year. Most of that money comes from fathers who have stable jobs and can afford to pay. [...] Where the money does not come from is the 2.5 million poor noncustodial fathers in the United States. According to a study by the Urban Institute, nearly 30 percent of these men are in prison. Among the remainder, nearly half are unemployed. Those who do have jobs earn an average of $5,600 a year, well below the poverty line. [...] Poor fathers are often asked to pay significantly more, as a percentage of their income, than middle- class fathers, according to the Manpower Demonstration Research Corporation, a social policy research group that studied 5,500 low-income fathers in seven cities in the 1990's. Nearly two-thirds of the poor fathers tracked by the study had child support orders that demanded more than half of their income.[...] The maximum that child support enforcement can take under federal laws is 65 percent of a person's salary [...] only 4 percent of fathers are able to get their child support payments reduced when their earnings drop by more than 15 percent. Judges tend to proceed on the assumption that the man's income will eventually get back to its former level. Even if a reduction is granted, it takes as long as six months - while arrearages mount.Homeless men
Men are more likely than women to be homeless. Those are not in the statistic (it is a telephone survey). Numbers by the U.S. Conference of Mayors 2007 as deciphered by Robert Franklin about 75% of the homeless population are male:
Most studies show that single homeless adults are more likely to be male than female. In 2007, a survey by the U.S. Conference of Mayors found that of the population surveyed 35% of the homeless people who are members of households with children are male while 65% of these people are females. However, 67.5% of the single homeless population is male, and it is this single population that makes up 76% of the homeless populations surveyed (U.S. Conference of Mayors, 2007).Imprisoned men
about 51% of all homeless adults are single men and about 17% are single women. Strangely, it gives no overall figures for homeless adults, but if the 3:1 ratio for single adults is applied to the remaining 32% of adults who aren't single, that would give an overall percentage of 75% male and 25% female. Of course the fact that it's been men who've lost 80% of the jobs during the past year may well mean that men make up more than 75% of the homeless, but we don't seem to know that now.
Probably not among the gifted and wealthy I am citing the above Glenn Sacks's article again.
93% of our world-leading 2.3 million incarcerated people are menWho will certainly have a hard time finding a job in a recession after being in prison.
In conclusion...
...I fail to see why poverty hits women that much harder. But I am certainly not surprised that Valenti sees it that way. I might be coming back to that article again.
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Last edited by Feckless; 23rd-February-2010 at 06:26 PM.
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The link doesn't lead to anything.
Do not ever suppose that a small group of people can never change the world. INDEED it is the only thing that ever has.
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It does (or just read the content I just copied)
Disclaimer:The men's and fathers' movement needs to make sure it never sees females as the enemy,but only misandry--whether from females or from males.If not, we'll become like the bigoted feminists that this movement was formed to oppose.Glenn Sacks
http://antimisandry.com/109272-post69.html
Blog:
http://feck-blog.blogspot.com/
Fecks Warcraft File:
http://antimisandry.com/chit-chat-ma...ile-16039.html
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Feckless,
I agree with what you are saying.
There was a NZ-wide "survey" done last year of homeless people.
Obviously, the larger towns and cities have more homeless people.
One thing struck me as strange about this survey, it mentioned that there is a "worrying trend of more female members of our communities becoming homeless"
That made me think, well what the hell is the Womens Refuge doing about this, they have a tax-payer-funded mandate to be providing services such as this!!!
But, oh no, we want to go after the bigger fish, don't we?
We want the women that have been wronged in some way by MEN.
Brain-wash them and their children and turn them against men, for life.
Good stuff, eh?
Now, what is also glaringly obvious from this survey, is the fact that the over-all majority of homeless people are MEN.
From this we can see, that any Government department, couldn't really give a toss about the men that have fallen on hard times (which could be by no fault of their own), they'll have the Police move them on to the next bridge or alley-way, where they could be assaulted, could die of the cold in winter, but who really cares, they are homeless men.
I've worked with guys like this before, all they need is a little bit of self respect, someone to talk to and somewhere to stay.
I find this sort of thing very soul-destroying, when you see it first hand.
There is a lot of talk of a glass ceiling, if some of these people ranting about it, had actually experienced a grass or shingle floor, maybe the ranting wouldn't be so loud.
Feckless, sorry to go off topic, mate, I feel very strongly about this sort of thing.
I am not surprised by those findings because men of all walks of life have tasted poverty at some point.
Just look at this guy!
This man was born in one of the nastiest pits that poverty has to offer. Instead of sitting on his rear, he did everything with in his power to scratch and claw his way out of the hell that is poverty. He became an Olympic gold medalist, the heavyweight champion of the world and a successful entrepreneur.
For that, I salute this man!
"George Foreman"
Height 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m)
Birth place: Marshall Texas , United States
Boxing record Total fights 81 Wins 76 Wins by KO 68 Losses 5 Draws 0 No contests 0
Thinking about boxers, there was one (I guess Tyson) who always said he was thinking about the guy that stole his bike when fighting his opponent. Always makes me laugh.
Disclaimer:The men's and fathers' movement needs to make sure it never sees females as the enemy,but only misandry--whether from females or from males.If not, we'll become like the bigoted feminists that this movement was formed to oppose.Glenn Sacks
http://antimisandry.com/109272-post69.html
Blog:
http://feck-blog.blogspot.com/
Fecks Warcraft File:
http://antimisandry.com/chit-chat-ma...ile-16039.html
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what I gathered wimyn earn less because they work less hours less dangerous jobs which pay a premium don't persevere in a line of occupation long enoughto be promoted !
eg crab fishing in the Bering sea mining where the miners get a premium for the hazardous employment; sure there are odd exceptions
another example a team replaced a aerial atop a 200 metre tower it was dangrous work - not one wimyn up there and no complaints about absence of wimyn in the team from the feminit movement
why ?
wimyn want "nice" jobs with a premium in wages /salaries commensurate with boostered opinions of dar selves as "owed to" folk - no cleaning out blocked sewer mains for them
and also cause they want to divide child rasing with competing in the hard world of business ( profit subsumes wimyns chatterig at the coal face) and just don't know both can't be done effectively and efficiently
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