That's some pretty bad legislation.

As far as the government is concerned, fathers only exist to pay for moms choices. If her choices include legal abandonment, then he is no longer needed.

It is so amazing that everyone ignores how the government treats men, it's like we're living in the Twilight Zone.

Good article. But in any sound arguement, as is above, there is an unfortunate temptation to ignore grammar so that meanings are confused.

Society needs to insure ...

To 'Insure' is to set aside monies, usually, as a hedge against a possibility of Loss. It is a 'savings and investment' strategy.

To 'Ensure', as it should have been, is to act to make certain that something happens.

If this is an extract from your book, sir, fire your editor.

When a father can't afford to pay for his kid, he is a deadbeat and will eventually be punished, he can't just say "I don't want the baby". When a mother can't afford to pay for her kid, the state bends over backwards to give her free money and service and if she still doesn't want the child, the government finds a way to let her legally abandon her child.

Who in the world could even make excuses for the way fathers are treated by Safe Haven laws? Oh but we know the response to this misandry is "it's for the good of the child" which translates into "it's whatever the mother wants".

I see this posted on Facebook and I am tempted to paste the first paragraph of this post, probably won't though as I like to keep a low profile. Still, it reminded me of the BS "Fathers Day is only for REAL Fathers" posts I saw on Facebook yesterday and thought that maybe next year we could put up posts like "Happy Mothers Day to REAL Mothers, those who don't take from the state, don't abort, adopt away or abandon their children".

@Garak

Spot On!!!

My jaw dropped too at the idea that that state is now legalizing the mothers horrendous behavior, I mean seriously whatever happened to safe sex practices and protection? Now the government is saying, "go ahead and go so far as to have the child, in case you felt too guilty to have an abortion we are now making it safe to abandon it", (which in turn may invariably encourage mothers to abandon their children) and this is for the good of the child? That would suck to have that chip on your shoulder, "sorry kid, your mother didn't love you which is why she stuffed you in a box outside the hospital the day you were born". Why don't they just set up meth labs next door to the little baby drop off box because moms mostly likely hooked on smack. Two birds with one stone, the government can support her drug habit too because moms going to get the drugs anyway, and this way at least it will be safer than patrolling back alleys and slums for their next hit, which she is probably going to have to pay for with sex, which means she may get pregnant again, which means in 9 months she'll be back in the hospital, which means she'll likely drop another baby off on the way out in the little "I am too irresponsible" drop off box.

Then, and I'm so glad it was brought up, the father doesn't even get a say. Just like in any other stage of the child's life, the mother has options and total authority while the father has only obligations with no legal authority but all the guilt.

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@Garak

Spot On!!!

My jaw dropped too at the idea that that state is now legalizing the mothers horrendous behavior, I mean seriously whatever happened to safe sex practices and protection? Now the government is saying, "go ahead and go so far as to have the child, in case you felt too guilty to have an abortion we are now making it safe to abandon it", (which in turn may invariably encourage mothers to abandon their children) and this is for the good of the child? That would suck to have that chip on your shoulder, "sorry kid, your mother didn't love you which is why she stuffed you in a box outside the hospital the day you were born". Why don't they just set up meth labs next door to the little baby drop off box because moms mostly likely hooked on smack. Two birds with one stone, the government can support her drug habit too because moms going to get the drugs anyway, and this way at least it will be safer than patrolling back alleys and slums for their next hit, which she is probably going to have to pay for with sex, which means she may get pregnant again, which means in 9 months she'll be back in the hospital, which means she'll likely drop another baby off on the way out in the little "I am too irresponsible" drop off box.

Then, and I'm so glad it was brought up, the father doesn't even get a say. Just like in any other stage of the child's life, the mother has options and total authority while the father has only obligations with no legal authority but all the guilt.

It has been written in a well known book: "The love of money is the root of all evil."

When women abandon their children, it is seen as evidence of the massive pressures that motherhood places on them, and an indicator that they need sympathy and support. When men do it, it is evidence of their fundamental irresponsibility and moral inferiority.

I may be just a blunt, uninsightful man, but could it be that women make such a big deal about motherhood because it's the only time in their life when society places ANY responsibility or expectation on them AT ALL? And then, because they're so unused to it, they think that no-one else is familiar with the notion of responsibility?

I think one reason why women seek out motherhood is because they think it will give them something they can control. A baby can't answer back. It can't fight. But then they are faced with the reality of actual responsibility, and it's too much for some.

So they come up with another shit-eating excuse and another request for special treatment. Hence this bullshit law.

A relative of mine, who shall remain nameless, has recently fathered his first child. His poor-excuse for a girlfriend is not what I would call a decent human. I have taken to removing her from my facebook friend's list and placing her profile on block. I did this because I was tired of seeing her constantly complaining about him or his family. She's used facebook to complain about him (even to the point of implying he was 'controlling' her, despite it being obvious to anyone with at least half a brain she's the one wearing the pants in that relationship), she's complained about his brother, about his six year old sister, about his friends... everyone gets it from her. After a year of it, I got fed up and blocked her.

Then she got pregnant.

She's spent the whole time going on about her emotional state, whining about the pregnancy, taking her problems out on others and generally being a miserable cow - so things didn't really change for her from not being pregnant to being pregnant.

No sooner has she had the baby, she's already complaining about it saying she's not sure she wants it now. Luckily my relative is sticking around to make sure the kid is looked after... and to date, I've not heard him complain about it once. He is a bit of a 'white knight' where she's concerned, he's positive she's the nicest thing to happen to him. I'm not sure he's thinking with the right head.

Now that she's had all the "ahh you're gonna be a mommy" attention and it's past-tense, she's all of a sudden feeling 'down' (like she wasn't before??).

It's ultimately about ensuring female voters support the party which enshrines the least personal responsibility. And like abortion, Obama and the Democrats lead the way on that politicking angle!

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When women abandon their children, it is seen as evidence of the massive pressures that motherhood places on them, and an indicator that they need sympathy and support. When men do it, it is evidence of their fundamental irresponsibility and moral inferiority.

I may be just a blunt, uninsightful man, but could it be that women make such a big deal about motherhood because it's the only time in their life when society places ANY responsibility or expectation on them AT ALL? And then, because they're so unused to it, they think that no-one else is familiar with the notion of responsibility?

I think one reason why women seek out motherhood is because they think it will give them something they can control. A baby can't answer back. It can't fight. But then they are faced with the reality of actual responsibility, and it's too much for some.

So they come up with another shit-eating excuse and another request for special treatment. Hence this bullshit law.

Women want to have children because - like men - they are made to have them and are supposed to have them. They "get a man" when they want to control someone.

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A relative of mine, who shall remain nameless, has recently fathered his first child. His poor-excuse for a girlfriend is not what I would call a decent human. I have taken to removing her from my facebook friend's list and placing her profile on block. I did this because I was tired of seeing her constantly complaining about him or his family. She's used facebook to complain about him (even to the point of implying he was 'controlling' her, despite it being obvious to anyone with at least half a brain she's the one wearing the pants in that relationship), she's complained about his brother, about his six year old sister, about his friends... everyone gets it from her. After a year of it, I got fed up and blocked her.

Then she got pregnant.

She's spent the whole time going on about her emotional state, whining about the pregnancy, taking her problems out on others and generally being a miserable cow - so things didn't really change for her from not being pregnant to being pregnant.

No sooner has she had the baby, she's already complaining about it saying she's not sure she wants it now. Luckily my relative is sticking around to make sure the kid is looked after... and to date, I've not heard him complain about it once. He is a bit of a 'white knight' where she's concerned, he's positive she's the nicest thing to happen to him. I'm not sure he's thinking with the right head.

Now that she's had all the "ahh you're gonna be a mommy" attention and it's past-tense, she's all of a sudden feeling 'down' (like she wasn't before??).

I think your relative is both dumb, for get with her in the first place, and a person of strong character, for putting up with her and making sure the child is taken care of.

I was so moved reading the initial post, and to think that there are so many cases like your relative's in this world, makes me really quite upset and angry!! When are people going to think of the children in these situations, let alone all the dads out there that aren't being considered?!!!! I have to say Marx, I think your relative is amazing, and I would like you to pass that on to him!!! :-)

This is a fine example of the rule of law being bent in the direction of empowering people to do a thing society finds unacceptable when it proves impossible to stop them, such as needle exchanges for addicts and free passes for mothers abducting their children. One would hope the law in practice would collapse in on its hollow self and be replaced by better ones in time. But that hope for Roe v Wade has yet to yield that result, as an example. All in all, a bleak comment on the value of fatherhood at a legislative level.

Short term I have little concept of direct tactics to oppose such things but over the long haul I believe strongly that men are going to have to find ways to establish and uphold our own value as men and as parents, and work to rebuild the perception of an entire planet's population that increasingly names us as worthless, dangerous, careless and immoral. What that calls for is us to show otherwise, and keep showing it. It isn't the first time a group has been spotlighted for villain status, and the way out is through, even directly into the spotlight until we convince those pointing it to get out of our faces and let us live as men.

Unfortunately, the woman is the only one with any control in this situation. What happened to actually councilling and talking with the mothers and fathers to make sure that giving a baby up was the right thing to do. And we all know that those first few days after the birth of the child are the ones where women are at their most emotionally fragile. The better law would be that parents (both consenting) should only be allowed to give their child up after a year. I'd sign a petition for that. Actually make people stand up to their responsibility and learn a lesson about rushing into a sexual relationship or one night stand without understanding the implications.