No Marriage. No Children. Ever.

[AKUUS]

Originally Posted by Abaddon

...Personally I think as do many Men that take the time to read the current policy on Men in society, is that this is simply another complex scenario of a simple principle. Divide and conquer.

I agree.

[Percy]

On the other hand......

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Love is Worth It

I remember the weekend of Thanksgiving. My husband's father and brother were visiting us from Northern California. We decided to take them down to see the U.S.S. Midway, which is now a museum in San Diego Harbor. So we loaded up grandpa and uncle, and our kids: our birth daughter, our two foster children, and our adopted son who got us all started on this business of what love really means. On the way home, I noticed that our mini-van was completely full. "Not bad," I thought to myself, "for a couple that were told they could never have children."

But then I realized that all these people were counting on my husband and I to love one another. Obviously, our kids are legitimately dependent on us. Our love for each other sustains them. We couldn't really be much help to the foster kids if we weren't able to work together as a team, for their good, as well as the good of the whole family. Without our love for each other, our middle-class lifestyle would be an empty sham, and not nearly so valuable for them.

And there was grandpa nodding off in the front seat. Because my husband and I love each other, he doesn't have to worry about us. A lot of elderly people end up taking care of their grandchildren because their adult children's marriages have collapsed, or exploded. In the back seat, my husband's brother was tickling the nieces and nephews we provide him. Our marriage enriches him, even though he is perfectly capable of taking care of himself. If we didn't love each other, my husband and I wouldn't have that van full of people who love us and count on us.

And that is, in the end, what community building is really all about. A man and a woman love one another. They take care of each other, and their own children, and maybe their elderly relatives. Maybe they have something left over to help support and sustain others. How else could a community be built, given that everyone is dependent on others at least some of the time?

Love is a lot of work. Everyone can see this. But it is worth the effort. Romance is a wonderful feeling, but it can't hold a candle lit dinner to committed love.

[bobx23456]

Originally Posted by Percy

On the other hand......

IF men could find that kind of wife it would be worth it. But the chances are that she'll do that for a while and then turn into a raging bitch.

Blessings

Bob

[bachelor tom]

Well, there is the argument that affluence has made us all irresponsible spoiled children. Marriage, being a major commitment involving work and sacrifice, is just a casualty of larger forces (so this argument goes).

Similarly ideas like loyalty, honesty, generosity are passe.