"Momblocked" mothers feel edged out by dads

[Fruit_Cake]

There is no virtue in a biological function, either in being pregnant or impregnating.. and it is of little more significance, in the big picture, than a bowel movement.

come on, be honest gonzo, your only saying that because when you popped out, it was a bowel movement, not a pregnancy

[Marx]

I think the point Gonz was trying to make is that pregnancy is only a biological function, as is a bowel movement, as is a batting of the eye.
Clearly all three are of different magnitudes, but still - they remain biological functions.

[myce]

So birth is a mere biological function. So is love; love is nothing but your brain on drugs. What virtue is there in anything humans do if it's all just a function of biological, neurological processes?

[Marx]

I think that's the point many guys have reached. What is the point?

[bola]

Originally Posted by myce

A woman who gets pregnant against her will can choose to terminate that life, so I think some would argue that there is virtue in choosing life.

That is the most peculiar claim to virtue that I've ever heard, abstaining from killing a defenseless child for no reason.

[Gonzman]

Originally Posted by myce

So birth is a mere biological function. So is love; love is nothing but your brain on drugs. What virtue is there in anything humans do if it's all just a function of biological, neurological processes?

If you honestly believe that, what is the point in anything?

If you are a person worthy of the title of "Dad" or "Mom" it has been a conscious choice on your part to do those things to earn it. This is omething special.

If you have given birth or impregnated someone - so what? All that requires is a properly functioning reproductive system. Countless wastes of oxygen have that. It is nothing special.

[Gonzman]

Originally Posted by Fruit_Cake

come on, be honest gonzo, your only saying that because when you popped out, it was a bowel movement, not a pregnancy

One thing you have convinced me of after listening to you is that I am now in favor of abortion in cases of incest.

[myce]

Forget the philosophy. It's too deep for me. I don't know what the point of it all is and I don't care. It doesn't matter what you guys say; pregnancy and birth are special events. My child's birth was the most important event in my life. It doesn't matter to me that a brain dead crack whore can do it, or an alley cat or a rat. You guys who say pregnancy is nothing special, you do not know the satisfaction that comes from knowing that your child is made entirely (save for one haploid set of DNA) from materials produced by your own body. Then there is the oddly surreal feeling of loneliness that comes from the realization, after the birth, that once again you are only one not two. Pregnancy iswork, even if you don't have conscious control over it. I absolutely hated being pregnant and was miserable the whole time. By the time it was almost done I was ready to cut open my own belly to get it over with. But it would be an understatement to say the payoff was worth it. I would do it all over again a hundred times for my baby's love.

And what is a baby's love anyway, but nature's assurance that life will go on? It is just your brain on drugs like I said, and is easily overpowered by stronger drugs. But it doesn't matter to me if love is really meaningless biochemical neural activity. It doesn't matter if pregnancy and birth are nothing special. They are special to me, and to any normal mother who experiences it too.

On a related topic, the idea of an artificial uterus is just a little creepy. It reminds me of that experiment with the baby monkeys and the wire mother. They didn't turn out right. I'm not so sure a baby in a plastic mother would turn out right either.

[chevalier]

Myce I don't think they are say pregnancy is unimportant or that a mother should feel detached from it. In my understanding I think what the point is is that Mother is is important from the stand point that it can be done but that it is important that when it is done that the mother coaches that special bond even before birth asit seems you did. The biologics of pregnancy are just that a biological function and women should not tout that they are superior for having that function. What they should tout about is their bond and how much nurturing they do for the benefit of their children. That is I think what they meant. I hope this was a help I am not sure if it even makes sense the DR. Put me on diferent meds and I'm flying pretty high right now.Thanks

[myce]

Those are some pretty good meds there Chevalier. Hehehe. Well, sometimes women say they are superior. Sometimes men say they are superior. How about, they are just different. I think the original topic here was about mother-child bonding? My argument was that the physical bond naturally lends itself to a strong emotional bond. But Dad will get his turn later when my babe becomes Daddy's girl and I'm just boring old mom.

[chevalier]

Too true Myce Too true.