Matt O Connor is "Outed" as gay!!!

[FFFF]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fathers_4_Justice


There are a few other "innacuracies" in this potted history.. I shall have to write the true version soon..!

Most annoyingly, it seems that those who rewrite history seem to keep the original falsehoods in place..

Such as the classic misconception that David Chick was a "member" of f4j at the time of his ground breaking protest..

Matt was at great pains to deny this at the time (even though it was clear that his banners etc where f4j!!)

"He's not a member, we are just offerring him pastoral support"..

Hmmm! As ever, when the tide of public opinion sways one way or another, the man will be ducking and diving and dumping his followers like hot potatoes.. Then when its cooled down, back to being best mates for the next o connor ego trip..

The trademark of an untrustworthy scoundrel some would say..

[chevalier]

Gay with 10 kids I guess he is one confused little rabbit.

[christianj]

Originally Posted by Drex

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fathers_4_Justice


There are a few other "innacuracies" in this potted history.. I shall have to write the true version soon..!

Most annoyingly, it seems that those who rewrite history seem to keep the original falsehoods in place..

Such as the classic misconception that David Chick was a "member" of f4j at the time of his ground breaking protest..

Matt was at great pains to deny this at the time (even though it was clear that his banners etc where f4j!!)

"He's not a member, we are just offerring him pastoral support"..

Hmmm! As ever, when the tide of public opinion sways one way or another, the man will be ducking and diving and dumping his followers like hot potatoes.. Then when its cooled down, back to being best mates for the next o connor ego trip..

The trademark of an untrustworthy scoundrel some would say..

I suggest you have a listen to him on youtube before making those judgments. I found him to be an intelligent and sincere person..

http://www.youtube.com/v/X9GkUMnkD64

http://www.youtube.com/v/o72nai-8zds

[celtish]

This is something about Matt O'Connor I just do not believe. Who is making this allegation?

[FFFF]

Originally Posted by celtish

This is something about Matt O'Connor I just do not believe. Who is making this allegation?

I doubt very much he is "gay", as I also doubt very much he has 10 sons!!

As far as i knew, he has no more than the usual number of kids, his latest being to an access denying single mother of another mans kids. She was in the lottery demo..

Hypocrisy or what??

[FFFF]

Originally Posted by christianj

I suggest you have a listen to him on youtube before making those judgments. I found him to be an intelligent and sincere person..

http://www.youtube.com/v/X9GkUMnkD64

http://www.youtube.com/v/o72nai-8zds

Yes, Piers Morgan certainly came across very well! Much better than Matt who trotted out his standard much practiced lines and showed his grovelling respect to the disgraceful feminazi in the show and the power of the state to solve the problems..

You really have to meet this man and the many others embittered by his mismanagement of his troops to understand why many judge him harshly..

There always were 2 camps when it came to O Connor and his methods of dealing with fathers, his own troops..

The gullible awed by his superficial imagery who kissed his arse and believed he could do no wrong..

And those whose arses he kicked into touch when they stepped out of line with his feminist vision for dads, either by complaining about the dominant feminist ideology, the prefferential treatment of females in the group, the ever-present questions as to the money etc.. But mostly, the way he turned his back on activists and treated them like disposible resources.. "Treating fathers in the same way as the family courts"..

Those in the first camp practically all moved into the second camp eventually..

He is also pushing a solution to the family law problem that is simply an unworkable statist feminist sideshow that is so full of feminist appeasement and statism you could basically expect it to have been compiled by a GCSE student..

[christianj]

There always were 2 camps when it came to O Connor and his methods of dealing with fathers, his own troops..

This attitude is typically why the men's movement is getting nowhere, everybody has their own opinion and everybody wants to be in charge...

I take what F4J did overall for Fathers around the world, just showing them that it is possible to makes those arseholes in charge see that there is a resistance movement and they going to be held accountable..

So I resent that attitude as it does nothing to further the cause and only demonstrates divisions which should not happen.

[themanonthestreet]

Let's get real here folks. ANYTHING posted on wikki about fathers, men, men's and father's rights etc is jaded at best. THey have been actively destroying anything remotely factual when it comes to the FRM/MRM for years....

TMOTS

[Percy]

Cj said:

....what F4J did overall for Fathers around the world, just showing them that it is possible to makes those arseholes in charge see that there is a resistance movement ....

and said it well.

[FFFF]

fact is, F4J have achieved precisely zero. I would say they have actually made matters worse..

Several reasons for this..

1. They started off well, but did not continue the useful work they were doing in hitting the targets..

2. The targets they hit have adapted and succesfully weathered the storm, making it harder for future efforts to do the same..

3. "Raising awareness" was a double edged sword and the movement cut themselves on it more than the enemy!

4. Mothers have been made more aware of how easy it is to deny fathers contact.. It used to be commonly accepted by most that fathers had "rights".. now it is well known that they do not and women are able to use that against us!

5. Numbers involved were seen to be very low.. Only a handful of activists.. practically of of whom were discredited in the media and many of whom were not even backed fully by the members of the group!

6. Failure to adapt strategies, keeping on plugging the same old methods that just ended up with men getting criminal records..

7. A poor record indeed for being able to debate properly with the statists, completely incapable of dealing with the feminists, probably because they are basically femninists themselves..

8. f4j itself is an exclusive group that did not wish to associate with others..

9. F4j/real f4j do not reject the concept of the CSA, they do not suggest strikes, they do not suggest boycotting court.. In fact, they may as well be a destraction set up by the state that falsely gives men a feeling that something is being done.. While, things are getting worse!

The resistance movement as represented by f4j is nothing but pretty pointless banner and flag waving and silly antics that destract from the real issues men face..

The state is perfectly happy for that to continue forever.. it is no threat whatsoever..

its over 3 years since f4j was a remotely significant feature and even then it amounted to nothing more than a few pages of largely negative media and a lot of fractured ego's and wounded pride for many..

Now, they are effectively a non entity doing nothing whatsoever other than collecting money off gullible men..

[christianj]

I did say more aware, not totally fix everything.

This is going to be ongoing for some time yet. I would say about another two to three years and we will probably achieve some of our goals.

Once the avalanche against those male-hating, gutless feminists starts there will be no stopping it.

The bitches will be declared, vermin...

We're just making the snowballs..