Fathers for justice rooftop protest - Harriet Harman's house

[Marx]

Up until recently, 2002 I think, unmarried fathers had no rights whatsoever to their children. Not a bean. I think I'm right in saying that F4J helped push a move for unmarried fathers to have same rights as married fathers (which, upon divorce is still worth nowt).

[Percy]

That people like Jolly keep the protest method going is a good thing, even without O'Connor. But he did have a strong ability to gather the troops, which has been lost.

O'Connor had flaws, as all people do. There is need in any team for a balance of specific personality types. TERA has that quality of looking for the downsides, so they can be anticipated and countered well in advance. Even though it is slightly annoying, these cautionary voices are often essential. The leaders though, while heeding the cautions, must press on and keep the momentum up.

F4J suffered from a hiatus brought about by infighting and egocenticm. It is good to see a core of sound men still out there on the rooftops.

TERA asks:

For what changes are they directly or indirectly responsible for?

For one, they called attention to CARFASS corruption. This was - WAS - the Children's Agency that determined 'mediation' and the placement of children predominantly with mothers. It was riven with feminist corruption from top to bottom.

Few took any notice until F4J started painting the town purple, literally, starting with CARFASS offices. Zoshial verkers would arrive at their high street offices to find the walls and doors painted purple and the door locks bunged up with superglue. They couldn't even get in. Crowds would gather and mayhem would ensue. Newspapers had a great time keeping up with the antics.

A hit and run strategy meant that the authorites could not know where they would strike next.

The heads of CARFASS were bitter and twisted old feminist biddies who dithered and prevaricated while demands were made and invstigations started. Questions were asked in the Commons. The answers were not pretty and the public was outraged. The whole leadership was eventually sacked.

The campaign was successful. If it fell short of totally excellent it was only because the CARFASS leaders weren't personally sued 'til they squealed, and jailed. But their names are on the list for Feminist Misandry Justice awards.

[FFFF]

Originally Posted by Marx

Up until recently, 2002 I think, unmarried fathers had no rights whatsoever to their children. Not a bean. I think I'm right in saying that F4J helped push a move for unmarried fathers to have same rights as married fathers (which, upon divorce is still worth nowt).

i dont know where you got that from marx!! F4J have never, ever, had any effect on any legislation and I think you are mistaken on this "rights" thing anyway. Perhaps confusing with parental responsibilty etc? (which is in itself still meaningless!)..

[gaynorbarry]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fathers 4 Justice Office"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:25 AM
Subject: Matt O'Connor: A Time to Unite


In the few days left before Fathers Day, we should pause for a moment and
reflect on our journey so far.

For everybody who has contributed both past and present to the cause, it is
a tribute to their efforts that we continue to prevail despite everything
that has been thrown at us.

That five-and-a-half years since I started Fathers 4 Justice, we remain
resolute in our determination to challenge the establishment and campaign
for equal rights for dads.

Yes, there have been fundamental disagreements, people have left to pursue
their own variants of F4J, but none has succeeded because you cannot run a
military campaign by committee. We could have been proved wrong, but those
that tried, failed.

You also need to run a campaign like a business because if you don¹t, you¹ll
end up struck off at Companies House as other groups have and won¹t have the
money to invest in your campaign.

There are also many wishing for me to fail, both in government and in our
own movement, yet the thinking, strategy and investment in our ideas has yet
again paid spectacular dividends with which no-one can argue; £11.5 million
of coverage for an upfront investment of £200 which rivals our biggest ever
protests and with virtually unanimously positive coverage.

But how can we improve what we do? We must set aside our differences and
focus on what unites us, not what divides us. I understand that many people
feel a sense of emotional propriety about F4J, though might disagree with
elements of what we do.

We therefore want to rebuild a grassroots campaign, a bottom up campaign led
by you, rather than top-down management. That was right for our early years,
but as we evolve we understand the need for people to take ownership over
F4J themselves.

To that effect, we will help those of you who wish to set up local groups
and protests. We will help finance some activity where we can do so and
encourage you to run your own groups in your neighbourhoods providing you
follow our general guidelines.

If you think you can rise to the challenge laid down by Mark Harris and
Jolly Stanesby last weekend, then email office@...

Be you old or new, the door is open for you to become a leading light in
this campaign and an example to all our children.

Happy Fathers Day,


Matt O'Connor
Founder, Fathers 4 Justice

[knight-errant]

Originally Posted by gaynorbarry

you cannot run a
military campaign by committee.

Damn straight.

[FFFF]

This new positive attitude from matt looks very promising indeed!

Has matt taken the time to consider what many have said in the past?

That branches need to have more ability to be creative themselves and less top down control?

This new way forward does seem to be more in line with what I have always thought would be a better approach.

Worth an investigation!

[FFFF]

That email link goes to a closed yahoo group it seems?

[Percy]

you cannot run a military campaign by committee.

All wars have a committee at the top. The War Cabinet. It determines Doctrine. It determines broad Strategic priority. It determines and directs resource allocation and production.

Such a needed group are not necessarily Military Leaders but they need military leader's inputs.

The MRM lacks such a committee.

branches need to have more ability to be creative themselves and less top down control?

Field commanders MUST have an access to creativity to meet immediate response needs. This is a tactical matter. That creativity can go right down to individual level, but needs to be co-ordinated and managed.

The Military 'Command' is a dynamic.

[FFFF]

Originally Posted by Percy

All wars have a committee at the top. The War Cabinet. It determines Doctrine. It determines broad Strategic priority. It determines and directs resource allocation and production.

Such a needed group are not necessarily Military Leaders but they need military leader's inputs.

The MRM lacks such a committee.



Field commanders MUST have an access to creativity to meet immediate response needs. This is a tactical matter. That creativity can go right down to individual level, but needs to be co-ordinated and managed.

The Military 'Command' is a dynamic.

Aye.. "mission command" always looked like a great one to me!!

[Tyrael]

They should diversify their tactics such as pay for TV commercials to promote the rights of fathers.