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'The court determined that there was no evidence that a one-year-old child could bond

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GlennSacks.com Blog Archive 'The court determined that there was no evidence that a one-year-old child could bond with a father...'




"The Superior Court had some horrifying things to say...the court determined that there was no evidence that a one-year-old child could bond with a Father, and stated that 'using bonding as the reason for denying relocation for [a one-year-old child] sends a message that relocation for a child this age can never be an available option.'”
Reader Garrett Luttrell, a paralegal, recently wrote me a summary of the Pennsylvania move-away case Landis v. Landis (869 A.2d 1003, Pa.Super. 2005).
How could anybody with say with a straight face that a 1-year-old can't bond with his or her father? My daughter and I were extremely close long before she turned 1...
Luttrell's synopsis of the case is below.
The lower court determined that Mother would have sole legal custody, and physical custody would be a ‘three-day/two-day alternating two-week schedule’. The lower court also denied Mother’s request to move 300 miles from the marital home. The appellate court reversed the order, and remanded the case back to the lower court.
The parents were married in ’99, but in ’03, Mother filed for a PFA, claiming that Father had told her that he had ‘thoughts about killing her’, which led to a divorce – she requested joint legal and primary physical custody, as well as a request for relocation. As a result of the PFA filing, Father consented to a PFA being issued, resulting in his removal from his child, his home and the loss of his job as a mobile therapist, and a prohibition against Father contacting Mother for 18 months, despite a PFA court finding that no abuse occurred. Part of the reason for this was that Father bought and sold weapons on e-Bay.
Mother stated that she had to leave the area because the home was being foreclosed on, and that she was going to lose her job due to the many appearances in court for the PFA hearings. She also argued that, if she were allowed to move, she would have a new job as well as the support of her family. Mother agreed to drive half of the 300 mile distance to Father’s residence during custody exchanges. Father stated that his new one-bedroom apartment, his flexible hours, the PFA court finding of ‘no abuse’, and Mother’s desire for a strong relationship between Father and the child were all excellent reasons for liberal visitation.
A family psychiatrist testified that both parents interacted well with the child, and that both parents had bonded closely with the child. The psychiatrist viewed the entire record of all relevant cases, including photographs of Mother’s bruises, but indicated that no finding of abuse had occurred, and that he found no reason to disagree with that determination.
Finally, the psychiatrist stated that he was not convinced that a relocation would be in the child’s best interests, and he recommended joint custody because of the unique and important contributions that both parents made to the child, and that phone calls and letters from Father would not be enough.
The lower court – while concerned about Father’s preoccupation with buying and selling weapons – did not find any problems with Mother or Father’s ability to parent, and found that, while they were together, both parents cared for the child equally.
The Court then criticized Father for pleading guilty to a PFA and a contempt charge, though he was clearly not guilty, and chastised both parents for being uncooperative with each other in regards to custody. Then, the Court determined that, according to law, Father had abused Mother (even though a PFA court found him not guilty) because he agreed to the plea bargain, so since Father was guilty but denied it, his testimony was untrustworthy.
The Court then found that Mother was unlikely to ‘foster a relationship’ between Father and the child, and went on to say that Mother was also untrustworthy, and Father was unlikely to foster a relationship between Mother and the child, finally ruling against Mother’s relocation because of the damage to the relationship between Father and the child.
Leaving out the complicated and incredibly verbose legal analysis for relocation cases (seriously, you don’t want me to get in to this), the Superior Court had some horrifying things to say. The Superior Court [S.C.] admonished the lower court for focusing “on the bonding issue almost to the exclusion of any other evidence presented by the parties.”
Worse, the court determined that there was no evidence that a one-year-old child could bond with a Father, and stated that “using bonding as the reason for denying relocation for [a one-year-old child] sends a message that relocation for a child this age can never be an available option.” Further, the S.C. was miffed that the lower court was more concerned over the child’s bonding time with Father than with the benefit of relocation to Mother (and the indirect benefit to the child).
The damning quotes:
“Here, it appears that the court began with the idea that a child of P.G.L.’s age cannot be separated from his father to the extent that would be required if the relocation was granted.” … “Based upon the above discussion, we conclude that concerning the relocation the trial court misapplied the law and fashioned conclusions that are manifestly unreasonable in light of the evidence presented.” The S.C. reversed the order.
The full decision is available here.








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the court determined that there was no evidence that a one-year-old child could bond with a Father
Does the bullshiting never stop? That one really hurt.



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It's quite disturbing, isn't it.
(note, that was not a question)

It never fails to amaze me how downright sexist & hateful Judges can be.. most of whom are men and likely fathers' themselves.


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Re: 'The court determined that there was no evidence that a one-year-old child could

The courts can SUCK MY DICK


 
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GRRRRR this just makes me sooo f'n angry-it is obvious to me now that these over-educated idiots don't have and are not near any children-my kids were bonded to me LOOOONG before they were a year old---these ppl are really outta control!


 
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What I want to mention. Our hospital puts newborn babies on the chest of their fathers (when their mother had a c-section) for bonding purposes...when this is even known in our little hospital here, how ignorant can that judge be.


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The men's and fathers' movement needs to make sure it never sees females as the enemy,
but only misandry--whether from females or from males.
If not, we'll become like the bigoted feminists that this movement was formed to oppose.
Glenn Sacks
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http://antimisandry.com/109272-post69.html

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What I want to mention. Our hospital puts newborn babies on the chest of their fathers (when their mother had a c-section) for bonding purposes...when this is even known in our little hospital here, how ignorant can that judge be.

maybe the judge needed to get laid--i can really see no other reason but to apease someone


 
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Unbelievable.


 
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It's quite disturbing, isn't it. (note, that was not a question) It never fails to amaze me how downright sexist & hateful Judges can be.. most of whom are men and likely fathers' themselves.
A few comments about Family Court judges.

1) They come out of the working Family Court Attorneys in their local area. This means that by the time they become a Judge, they are already part of the unfortunate system, and they then continue it.

2) I've run into many lawyers who used to be Family Court lawyers. They switched to estates or real estate or whatever as they "could not take it anymore". If you start out with a soul...spend some time as a FC lawyer and it will tend to evaporate...

3) If they ever had to live with their own rules...suddenly they would change all sorts of things.


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Re: 'The court determined that there was no evidence that a one-year-old child could

i know my ex's man hating witch of a lawyer is now a judge which i protested viciously as the woman's shelter here is named and founded by her mother-this woman also could only win a case because she was friends with the other women in the court system-she even bullied my lawyer when she knew she was about to be promoted---i am surprised i have not been arrested or sued by the solicitor general for my activism on this cause---maybe they know i'm right!?


how can a woman be fair when she has past issues herself?

Her reputation for taking men to the cleaners and her tactics speak loud and clear-nvr mind promoting and filing false accusations which she knew were not true---cunt.


 
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