Why is it NEVER a woman's fault? (UK Daily Mail article)
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- 9th-February-2007 #1
Why is it NEVER a woman's fault? (UK Daily Mail article)
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By CAROL SARLER - Last updated at 08:51am on 24th January 2007
When the prison doors clanged shut behind her, Hayley Kenny began her four-year sentence this month with plenty to think about.
She could think, for instance, about the long weeks during which her violent boyfriend, Craig Pearce, had abused her twoyearold son Kieran - while she stood back and did nothing.
She could think about the day she came home from work to find that Pearce, now serving 18 years, had punched the child so brutally in the abdomen that it was evident to a plank of wood he was dying - but she stood back and did nothing.
She could think, too, of the judge's words: that if she had only lifted a telephone to call an ambulance, Kieran might have been alive today.
For her dereliction of the most basic motherly instinct, 23-year-old Hayley is now the first woman ever to be convicted of the new charge of familial homicide, or allowing the death of a child.
And hurrah for that: frankly, if it were left to me, I'd throw away the key.
For years, scarcely has a month gone by without some hideous story coming to light about a child being physically assaulted, sexually abused and even murdered by his father or, more usually, his stepfather (aka 'Mummy's new partner').
Yet instead of asking, as we sensibly should, where Mummy was while all this was going on, the popular judicial line has been that obviously she was so cowed by the bad guy - and make no mistake, he is a bad guy - that she couldn't possibly have been expected to do anything about it.
No, not even intervene to save her own child's life.
The question now is this: do we celebrate Kenny's punishment as a turn for the better and the start of a new trend? Or do we expect her case to be an isolated blip without any suggestion that we hold our breath for the next one? I hope it's the former.
But the way things are, I fear it might just be the latter.
It is a pernicious corruption of the once progressive principles of feminism that today women are responsible for nothing and therefore guilty of nothing.
Blame it all on the boys, no matter what the wickedness. 'The girl can't help it,' has become the anthem of our times.
Within hours of Hayley Kenny's well-deserved incarceration, Woman's Hour's hot topic of the day was a new report claiming that one in five men suffers from domestic violence.
To illustrate the point, some bullying thug of a woman came on to explain herself. But instead of dripping remorse, she managed the same self-pitying victim-whine that routinely stalks the programme: 'Nuffin' to be proud of, fair enough,' but she 'couldn't express 'erself' and what she really needed was ''elp'.
If she needed help, what about her wretched punchbags? At which point a male guest, himself a sufferer at the hands of such a thug, congratulated her, expressed his admiration for her seeking the ''elp', while the interviewer didn't so much as hint a criticism of the woman's ferocious rages.
Can you imagine any programme, let alone Woman's Hour, affording the same soft ride to a man who had regularly beaten women? They wouldn't give him air-time, let alone applause; he'd be held to be entirely responsible for his brutishness with no excuses considered.
But when the he is a she, well, give her a break, the girl can't help it.
On this basis, some women quite literally get away with murder. The woman who lies in wait for a louse of a husband who has battered her for years, then stabs him through his heart, is hailed as a heroine by today's appalling apology for a women's movement.
Nobody is allowed to ask why she didn't try to escape: his behaviour had broken her spirit; her broken spirit, in turn, was her reasonable provocation.
Fine. And, yes, entirely possible under some circumstances. But, again, imagine a man, his body bruised from 20 years of bites and kicks and hurled implements, his mind numbed by 20 years of ridicule and humiliation and abuse, killing his wife.
He would never escape a murder charge with a claim of provocation. In fact, should he even try to claim 'I woz provoked', he would guarantee himself hordes of outraged sisters waving banners outside the courtroom - it was his fault, and his alone, that his dear wife was dead.
As it happens, I am uneasy about invoking provocation in cases of any and all killings.
But I am still less easy that we appear able to accept it for women and not for men, supporting as this does the view that men are able to take responsibility for what they do, whereas women are not; that women are less capable, less clever, less moral and less able to make decisions and live with the results.
Yet another example of this differentiation thrust itself into our faces this week on the knotty issue of gambling.
For centuries there have been people who cannot resist the instant riches that they just know are riding on the next horse, card or throw of dice, to which end they bet their food and even their homes, in the process driving their families to exasperation, desperation and the poor-house.
Our response to them, at least while most of them were men, has included anger, scorn, contempt and - from the exceedingly generous - a measure of pity.
But it's all changed now that newly released figures show that the fastestgrowing group of people hooked on this dangerous sport are women.
Indeed, the British Medical Association is suddenly demanding that their indulgence should be promoted to a proper illness (for which read: it's not their fault, the girls can't help it) and that the NHS should spend serious money, that is to say yours and mine, 'treating' them.
Actually, it is their fault. Addiction to gambling is a matter of choice, in that you don't catch it in one go. I played poker once, two years ago, in some so-called celebrity tournament and won it, to the tune of four figures for my favourite charity.
You cannot imagine the excitement. In fact, so acute was the heart-thumping that then and there I recognised it for the seduction it was and haven't looked at a playing card since.
But if I had, and consequently succumbed to destructive temptation, then according to the BMA you should now feel not cross but sorry for me - just as if I had blamelessly acquired, say, osteoporosis.
No doubt the BMA's decision to weigh in is supposed to look caring for women. But what I think it says is that women really are the weaker sex.
Progress? The message is clear: whisper support, offer encouragement, but never, ever, tell a woman she should just say no. No woman is supposed to buck up, square her shoulders, stand up for herself or - least of all - pull herself together.
A sexually ridiculous jibe from a male colleague at work, one which a generation ago we would have destroyed with derision? Not now.
Bring on the smelling salts, the industrial tribunal and the counsellors to diagnose 'post-traumatic stress disorder'.
Never mind that this makes the woman more publicly pathetic than the twit who offended in the first place - or that the inevitable conclusion must be: modern woman, soppy bint, falls to bits under pressure.
Send us out on a date with a chap and look what happens. You're drunk, he's matched you drink for drink so he's equally drunk. Oh yes, he is!
The grisly fantasy of the drug rapist has been utterly discredited; British bars are not replete with soberly calculating lounge lizards, slipping deadly powders into the nearest cocktail and then waiting for their moment of unconscious conquest (no matter how handy such an image has been to counter hungover morning regret).
The reality is far more likely to be silly pairs of inebriates who foolishly agree to sex - which at least one of them (and good money says both) often later wishes they had refused.
Yet once more the inequality is obvious. Although they both agreed to the sex at the time, the man's agreement is something he is expected to live with when sobered up, but if recent government initiatives are to win the day, the woman's agreement is not.
It is pleasing to hear reports this week that some judges are opposing radical moves to boost rape convictions.
The Council of Circuit Judges is said to be unhappy with plans to overhaul rape laws, calling them 'overcomplicated'.
I'll say. Especially those that ask courts to accept that a man's 'consent' stands, while the woman's 'consent' may be deemed to be invalid because it was given while she was as drunk as he was.
He is, therefore, sufficiently competent to be a rapist and she is sufficiently incompetent to be a victim; silly, stupid, little dolly her.
This might result, as is planned, in more men being flung in jail and therefore in a victory for women's groups who desire nothing more or less.
We know that many - or should that be most? - of these groups which set themselves up as anti-rape and antiviolence are led by militant feminists, whose real agenda is anti-men.
But if they really think that their anti-men propaganda is the same thing as pro-women politics, they are in cloud-cuckoo-land.
Everything they achieve, they do so at the cost of women; at the cost of acknowledging the strength of a woman's determination - and at the cost of allowing a woman the ultimate equality, without which all else will fail: an equal right to make mistakes.
Women make mistakes for all manner of reasons. Because they risked a bet, because they fell for the wrong man, because they took on a job too far - or a job too mindless.
Sometimes we crumple because of pressures others pile upon us; sometimes because we get it wrong and pile pressures upon ourselves.
The point is that they are our mistakes and, in any sane world, ours to answer for - not ours to wriggle out of with the pitiful old lament that the girl can't help it.
She can help it. And when her mistake, like that of Hayley Kenny, is so grotesque that she puts her boyfriend before the safety - and ultimately the life - of her child, there are and should be no excuses.
Bang her up, I say. Not just for her; not just for justice. Bang her up because none of us will ever get equality worth the word unless, when we go dreadfully wrong, we learn to take our punishment like a man.
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- 11th-March-2007 #2
Re: Why is it NEVER a woman's fault? (UK Daily Mail article)
Hi I'm new to this site, and somewhat new to the men's movement as a whole. But I am *so* glad to see an article like this. Honestly after visiting a few sites like www.whymenarebetterthanwomen.com I was seriously starting to worry where the men's movement was really going. I think it's important to remember that *most* women are not misandrians any more than most men are misogynists. And there are a number of notable women who are on our side. In fact, it was reading an article written by a woman that opened my eyes to the sad state of the world. I was in college and I had completely accepted all the feminazi ideas about female superiority (though I wouldn't have called it that at the time). But a favorite TV show of mine had just come to an end and the tone it ended on bothered me, but for the life of me I couldn't figure out why I was so mad. Finally I read an article, by a woman which explained exactly what I was feeling and what I was angry about. But I wouldn't call her a significant public figure, so lemme mention a few who are.
If you've completely lost hope in women as a gender, I suggest you go get a book called "Self Made Man" by Norah Vincent. She spent a year and a half pretending to be a man, and learned a lot of important things. None of these things come as a surprise to us, as men, but you will be surprised at her honesty and truthfulness at what it's like to be a man in the modern day (of course she's unable to get the whole story, but she does an excellent job overall) I would also have to list Camille Paglia as a woman who sees the modern feminist movement for what it is. (See her Wikipedia entry for details)
Look, I'm not sitting here, trying to tell everyone how great women are. A lot of us (myself most definitely included) have very good reasons for being angry at women as a whole, but we, as the mature ones, have to realize that if the approach of feminism is wrong, then we cannot adopt that same approach for ourselves. We will not make the world a better place. Don't get me wrong, there's certainly a place for venting. If menarebetterthanwomen.com had been about that I would have loved the site. But as far as I can tell there's nothing on that site that indicates that. I mean isn't that what this is all about? That when you say "equal treatment" you have to mean equal treatment?
Let's not lower ourselves to their level. We have geniune abuses that we need to get off our chests, and we need to support each other and present a united front, but if we degenerate into real misogyny then we have fulfilled that old proverb "you become what you hate". And if we do that, then the we will prove the feminazi's to be right about us. I'm gonna go ahead and say that would be bad and I'm against it.
Think about it.
- 14th-March-2007 #3
Re: Why is it NEVER a woman's fault? (UK Daily Mail article)
I agree with you that not all women are involved in misandry but I do beleive most are. I am not saying this because I'm angry but because from the sampleing of women I've met throughout my life I can say that I honestly feel this to be the case.
Chevalier.
"no greater love hath a man than to lay down his life for his brother."
- 14th-March-2007 #4
Re: Why is it NEVER a woman's fault? (UK Daily Mail article)
I agree with this.
From what I have witnessed first-hand, if anyone is going to make a sexist comment (usually directed at men), it will likely be a woman saying it.
Furthermore, most of the time, no-one will ever challenge her over her comments.
On the other hand, on the comparatively rare occasion where I have seen a man make a genuinely sexist comment about women - no matter how tame - people usually get pretty angry with him.
For example, a woman could seriously say 'all men should be castrated' and provoke very little - if any - negative response. More likely to get a few laughs.
But a man could say jokingly say 'shut up woman and make me a pie' and get a massive negative response in return, with lots of personal attacks and insults.
- 14th-March-2007 #5
Re: Why is it NEVER a woman's fault? (UK Daily Mail article)
Well I'm not going to make arguments based on numbers I don't have. The only statistic I *do* know of is that nation-wide, the number of women on college campuses who identify themselves as "feminists" is at an all time low.
Among other things, population densities for either side will vary from place to place, but I agree that misandry is not only widespread, but socially acceptable.
What I am desperately afraid of, however, is that the men's movement will turn into something only differing from feminism in that it applys to men and women in reverse.
But don't misunderstand. I never said men don't have cause to be angry, or the right to be angry. That we have been denied the ability to explore and express our emotions is one of the biggest forms of oppression we suffer from.
But you don't have to quit being rational at the same time. Though I think there is an underlying desire for simpler times and the opportunity to not have to be so rational and restrained, but at the same time all the rage in the world won't change a thing unless properly directed.
Feminism is not a woman. Feminism is an idea. At best it is a lopside attempt to equalize rights and priveleges instituted by people who don't have any understanding of men (though those who don't think they already know everything important about men have no desire to understand us at all), and at worst (in the case of radical feminism) it is an all out war against men.
But it doesn't help us to be angry at the woman who says "all men should be castrated" nor the people who find that socially acceptable. American society has been programming people to act this way decades. Yes, it is to be benefit of women and the detriment of men, but most of these women have been duped into believing our lives are so much better than theirs that they think they are just trying to even the score.
For the life of me, I cannot believe that most women maliciously desire to hurt and dominate all men. They simply are not that inhuman. They *have* on the other hand, allowed themselves to be duped into thinking that men maliciously desire to hurt and dominate all women.
Look, all I'm suggesting here, is that we be more mature than they have been. That we look for real solutions instead of letting ourselves turn into the enemy. Cause if we don't recognize who the enemy really is, we won't be effective.
- 15th-March-2007 #6
Re: Why is it NEVER a woman's fault? (UK Daily Mail article)
I agree we must be more mature than them or this will just get worse.When we finally get equality it will be time to maintain not only our rights but everyones.
And while I agree that most women are programed to be the way they are I think that being so emotionaly volitile also has something to do with it.
Chevalier.
"no greater love hath a man than to lay down his life for his brother."
- 20th-June-2007 #7
Re: Why is it NEVER a woman's fault? (UK Daily Mail article)
Even in a pro male article, a critical of women article, they just can't help themselves, can they.Everything they achieve, they do so at the cost of women
At the cost of women??? If she puts her head in a bucket of water, its at her cost? If some man gets jailed for a false claim of rape, its at HER cost? If she wears stiletto heels, it is her who is harmed?? If all the things she DEMANDs, NOW, because she 'feels' entitled, hurt her, who gives a pig's arse
- 20th-June-2007 #8
Re: Why is it NEVER a woman's fault? (UK Daily Mail article)
Good point Percy.
Maybe the poor dear suffers from one of the new diseases she describes. 'Backlash-phobia'? 'Doomesday Syndrome'?
At the very least she's noticed some of the consequences of feminism. While elite woman strut around in fancy suits, the underclass is left to reap the whirlwind.
But here's the rub - this article was published in the Daily Anti-Male, no less.
Are the media just fickle or are have they noticed a subtle turning of the tide and are positioning themselves for a future killing? Both probably.
BTW what's that poem you used to post about the turning tide? Any chance of a copy for the archives?
- 20th-June-2007 #9
Re: Why is it NEVER a woman's fault? (UK Daily Mail article)
100% obeservation there! Feminism has benefittted only the middle class women, if beneffitting is the right word!
Yes, its no longer fashionable to claim to be a feminist, it makes you look like a sour old bat with an attitude problem and a weak ineffective male partner.. (if not a screaming dyke).
Women have for some time now been squirming to avoid the label of feminist..
Well, many women of the older generations are shaking their heads now at the appalling sluttery of their daughters, and asking why their sons are such fucking wimps..But here's the rub - this article was published in the Daily Anti-Male, no less.
Are the media just fickle or are have they noticed a subtle turning of the tide and are positioning themselves for a future killing? Both probably.
The women who were in favour of feminism are from the old generation that realised that SOME women could do the work of SOME men..
The fact that the strong 25% of females could do what the wimp 25% of men could do, made 75% of men sit back and take the opportunity to let them get on with it..
Now we see the results..
It was a mistake!
- 20th-June-2007 #10
Re: Why is it NEVER a woman's fault? (UK Daily Mail article)
You have a fine way with words Drex!!Well, many women of the older generations are shaking their heads now at the appalling sluttery of their daughters, and asking why their sons are such fucking wimps..
I haven't been back to the UK since 2003 but that was exactly my impression. It was as if all the young people were wearing masks.
The overweight girls plastered on the make-up and stuck out their tits but they really wanted to be second-rate men.
The men were half-shaven on their chins and fully shaven on their heads, broadcasting their maleness. They didn't seem to do much though.
However the buses in Leeds were very clean.
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