OK ... this one is controversial. But it's also good reading.

I think it is really just caucasian women that have turned to garbage nowadays. Not all of these women are trash and a lot of them are dam fine women however when they go off to college they are filled with diversity and feminist propaganda and come out as feminazi white men hating bitches. Some of the women do not fall foe this propaganda but a lot get caught up in this stuff and end up lost causes. I am from Spain and I hate to see women like them it makes a man feel awful, I am thankful that the women from my culture love and respect us men. I see a lot of white men dating foreign ladies and always wondered why, I now understand the reason and don't blame them at all.

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I am not angry with American women. I merely pity them. I pity them for embracing feminism without any critical thought.

I do not think they critically think about feminist ideology because it is driven on an emotional level. Men tend to talk logic; women tend to talk emotion. I cannot tell you how many times I've had to make the point that opposing misandry is not a form of misogyny - that is how brainwashed they are; how fully they have emotionally embraced victimology.

Their hypothesis and self-fulfilling prophecy is men are not to be trusted. Then, they look for evidence to support that hypothesis and self-fulfilling prophecy. When there is insufficient evidence, they turn up the victim mentality and presume it is because we are hiding the truth from them and it is only a matter of time before "the real" evil man we are reveals himself. It really is pathological.

With Americans women, as with American men, there is a lack of psychological depth. I read a book called "Giants in The Earth" about Norwegian Immigrants being hustled into the plains in the Midwest. The theme was European psychology in the USA, and it was written as a criticism of the USA. The Norwegian man is sort of the hero of the story, and his wife goes mad living in a sod hut and becomes hyper-religious. Unlike many American novels dealing with settlers and the wild west, this novel dealt with the psychology of the immigrant, rather than just some sort of land-claiming escapade for a "dream". With American women, this is the case: they do not comprehend men except on the most basic psychological terms. Men are clowns and cartoons to them. Women in say Latin America or Europe might be more concerned with the psychology of their men, but American women can only grasp this basic male-stereotype, and thus they become embroiled with superficialities like feminism. Its simply that America is superficial and not interested in thinking about or describing neurosis. Any man that does not fit the extroverted stereotype of American-go-getter is considered flawed or a creep. In another land like Russia, maybe this same American man would be popular with women, and not just because of money, but because in Russia there are more women than men, and who is a reject in the USA is easily empathized with abroad.

American women and men are not interested in psychology. American women are only interested in the most basic psychological stereotypes of men as extroverts, which can be construed as primitive. Overseas in say Latin America, Europe, or Russia, there is more a tendency of women to think about the psychological state of the male. I am American and once dated a Latin-American women. She was already completely American, with an American accented English, but nevertheless, I noticed that she analyzed my psychological state, whereas my experience with Caucasian women showed a sort of negligence in this area. Caucasian women are only interested in one type of male, the stereotypical extrovert. The USA is superficial. Introversion or any other "abnormality" is not for the woman to worry about, but for a psychologist to "medicate" and that is American culture. I think even in Russia or Central Europe one might find more a tendency toward a more cerebral reality rather than the basic American one. I suspect also China and the rest of Asia as well to be more cerebral.

Some very interesting points there michijo. I recognize much of what you say - but only second-hand.

It's difficult for non-Americans, such as myself, to comment without be accused of being anti-American!!

I have no animosity to the American people or even American women. What they do in their own backyards is their business. What I object to is the spread of that malaise around the world.

When I was just a kid growing up in post-war UK we got our first black-and-white TV and along with it American sit-coms. After the BBC presenter had finished reading the news in his dinner jacket/her evening gown we'd watch some whining American woman telling her husband what he'd done wrong, failed to do or neglected to buy. Even as a young child I was shocked by the sheer lack of respect. The women were always beautiful so maybe, because I was still a child and had yet to come to terms with the "power of pussy" I was really confused.

That's all water under the bridge now. Most of the English-speaking world (and beyond) is filled with the shrill cries of female entitlement. As one of our newest members said yesterday (I paraphrase) for third-world countries feminism is tantamount to national suicide.

In another land like Russia, maybe this same American man would be popular with women, and not just because of money, but because in Russia there are more women than men, and who is a reject in the USA is easily empathized with abroad.

This is certainly true in SE Asia, even the dysfunctional 'creep' has a chance; but there is a downside. American men (plus other westerners) tend to bring their baggage with them.
When they throw money around in order to impress they are marked down as stupid and ripe for exploitation.
When they put women on a pedestal they are marked down as weak and easily-manipulated.

In Asian countries without a 'Daddy State', women still know that they need men. But they don't need fools and weaklings.

To be fair, you did say that both American women and men appear equally shallow but if you want to make the case that American men might be better off elsewhere they too will have to relinquish some preconceived ideas.
If you are convinced that most American women are a lost cause and men should look to greener pastures, they (the men) will also need a reality check.

Anyway, good posts and food for thought!!

It is more the entitlement and "God' gift to Man" mentality that turns me off in regards to American women. There are some American women whom I would have a relationship with, but sooner or later the entitlement mentality comes up. On some PUA sites, American women are regarded as "Pricing themselves out of the market" or "missing the fact that their expiration date is up".

I was in S.E. Asia a few years back on business. I was amazed at how warm and at ease women were with themselves in comparison to women in the USA. There was almost a complete lack of obvious hostility toward men and not much overt narcissism. It really was refreshing to see women acting as women and not as wannabe males.

Well this is an old string I hadn’t noticed before, so thanks michijo for resurrecting it from the deep and dusty achieves of AM. Had I remained unaware of it, I wouldn’t have read what I thought was an excellent piece posted on the lead post. For any other AM’s who like me, missed it the first time around or joined up here after it went cold, I do recommend a reading of that first post. I certainly liked it a lot – except for one thing. The America-centric view of feminism.

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It's difficult for non-Americans, such as myself, to comment without be accused of being anti-American!!

If that’s what you feel Yan Yan then that’s your call, I think a little more Yin helps me to not to worrey about being seen as Anti-American though. For anyone who feels they relate to feminism as an American-centric phenomenon, I’d say you need to broaden your views to better see our problem with feminism.

Feminism is a state of mind, an element of culture not particular to any one country. Certainly it varies from nation to nation widely, but I think it’s a mistake to relate to it as primarily as an American cultural issue. Most say that it is strongest in the western world which I would broadly agree with. But within the west there still many forms such as the confident and presumptive Scandinavian type, or the over philosiphical French verity and the German one still shows an afterglow from defined gender roles proclaimed in the Nazi era.

One could argue that perhaps the Scandinavian version is the most ingrained, but perhaps with less spite and raw bitchyness than that afflicts the Anglosphere. That’s right, for those who hold an American - centric view of feminism, I wrote, the ‘Anglosphere’. I don’t see much real difference in how feminism shows itself within English speaking countries. When you think that ideologies tend to be spread through literature, then the major English speaking voices promoting feminism are heard over several countries and their effect somewhat consistent. I don’t think feminism started in America either. When that literature started circulating in the Anglosphere from what I know, it emanated from most of the Anglo-speak countries simultaneously.

Whilst I live in the UK, I have been to America and I don’t feel that there was any overall difference in the nastiness you could perceive in feminism, subtle variations character maybe, but not a net one making it any worse or not.

Think along exclusively national parameters, then I can’t see how feminism would be repelled effectively. As I said before it’s a global element of culture and state of mind, not a national monopoly.


And again, I think the original post was a great piece.

Interesting, a lot of UK members on here. Could be men in UK are more sensitive, not to sound like a loyalist though. This reminds me of a funny book by Thomas Pynchon about an American in Europe during WW2. The difference between American men and British men is caricatured, with a V2 rocket landing on every spot the American has sex in London. Of course American men are not really such lady's men. When I lived in Istanbul, a Turk said that the French woman and the American man are the biggest sex symbols in the world. I found it strange, since I am virtually celibate most of the time, and go for years without having a girlfriend. I can tell you I did not have sex even one time overseas and have never engaged in sex-tourism.

I find though there is some strange gap between genders in the USA, as if the women have separated themselves and are no longer tribally speaking: humans, but rather extraterrestrials. Whereas tribally you can talk to a woman from Kyrgyzstan or Latin America as if she were a "sister", from the Anglo and Germanic world in general, the feminism takes on an almost puritan separation of the sexes. I think in Russia it is different, they take on Asian attributes of tribalism that we have lost in the west.

It seems to me that every man has at least some worth, though increasingly the spoiled western women are too picky.

I haven't been to America since I was a kid, but the impression I get from the media of American women, is rather negative, to say the least. For materialism, superficiality and entitlement complexes, I imagine few could hold their own, with American women. That the divorce rates in America are so high, and men paying on dates all but set-in-stone, perhaps supports this idea.

As with anything to do with the international world, mentioning the USA will evoke many cliches, and it should. I have never really dated a white American woman, though I am a white American man and was born and lived in the USA my whole life. Its strange to be 100% American, but never have dated an American woman. They have a strong hatred of introverts, and I was too shy when younger. I know that American women have an almost vicious hatred of introversion, and that it repulses them like a sickness. Other cultures have a more tolerant view of introversion, so I have tended to date mostly immigrants to the USA rather than real Americans. I have had say American women who were friends from states like Maine, but could never clique with them in relationship.