Western Society: In Eclipse? Or What?, blog post about Europe

Tyrael · #1 7th-March-2007

This is from the blog DoctorMental http://doctormental.blogspot.com/200....html#comments .

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Western Society: In Eclipse? Or What?

posted by A. Gray Bullard @ 8:54 AM

I have read two interesting books recently: Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed, by Jared Diamond; and America Alone, by Mark Steyn.

These books intersect at the notion of what will bring an end to the Western World as we know it. Diamond raises the Malthusian strawman of overpopulation, and assumes that we have learned nothing about conservation (nor anything else, really) in the past ten thousand years. We will come to an untimely end because the Mayans did, he supposes.

Steyn sees something occurring much earlier than the rising sea levels washing us away.
Stein's assessment of Diamond's book: "It's all about Easter Island going belly up because they chopped down all their trees...Same with the Greenlanders and the Mayans...Poor old Diamond can't see the forest for the trees because of his obsession with the trees. Russia's collapsing and it's nothing to do with deforestation. It's not the tree, it's the family tree. It's the babes in the wood. A people that won't multiply can't go forth or go anywhere. Those who do will shape the age we life in. Because, when history comes a-calling it starts with the most bassic question of all: Knock-knock. Who's there?"

A fact and a quote. Spain's birth rate is 1.15 births per couple, unsustainable to replace the population. Mathematical result: Spain is finished as an entity in Western civilization. Other European countries are not much different, except France (1.89), where one third of all births now are Muslim. America's, on the other hand, is 2.11. "...the fact remains, Europe is dying and America isn't...instead of calling for America to 'join the world', why not try calling on Europe to rejoin the real world? Otherwise you'l be joining what we used to call 'the unseen world.' Or here's an even more radical thought: why doesn't 'the world' try joining America?"

The culture of (demographic) death in the West is driven by dead-ends: massive government social support programs that impose a tax structure so that no one can afford to have children; and life choices such as active and exclusive homosexuality and abortion which do not augment the population (take the moralism out of it: these activities are simply demographic dead-enders).

And Steyn provides an insight from the Norwegian imam Mullah Krekar, in the Oslo Dagbladet recently: "We're the ones who will change you. Just look at the development within Europe, where the number of Muslims is expanding like mosquitoes. Every Western woman in the EU is producing an average of 1.4 children. Every Muslim woman in the same contries is producing 3.5 children...Our way of thinking will prove more powerful than yours."

How wonderful it would be to unite demographically with the Muslim (who now wishes to be separate, at least in Europe) so that the best of their population-sustaining birth-rate and life-giving demographic rules (we call them morals) could mix with our best instincts of love for the stranger/enemy/the weak, dignity for women (we call them social justice). America is the best laboratory for living with the stranger. This would take an act by the same God on which we all call. The miracle is that He has already acted in history, and the Peacemaking Teacher is recognized by both cultures. But will the Teacher be heeded? Or will the forces of death within both civilizations?

TheSharpenedPen · #2 8th-March-2007

There is one flaw with your analysis - America's birth rate, which you quoted as 2.11, will not be enough to support replacement of its population either, although its population decline will be considerably slower than places in Europe - especially Russia. The slower decline may give the United States more time to adjust to the economic and social changes inherent with an aging population, whereas Europe represents a time bomb.

Tyrael · #3 9th-March-2007

Thanks for pointing that out. I dÃ*dn't write this article though.

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