I think "duh" just about covers it.

Don't want to rain on the parade but ......

We're talking about exceptional men. For all men to claim mental superiority would be as bad as all women claiming they are as good as/better than men just because of a few exceptional women that feminists hold up as paragons.

I could probably name a few exceptional women - well, give me an hour with Google and I could. There just aren't many of them.

Even among men there's a fair bit of variation from culture to culture.

Though not a Scot meself, ye ken, Scotland, for example, seems to have produced exceptional men out of all proportion to its size and population.
Winston Churchill once said, "Off all the small nations of this earth, perhaps only the ancient Greeks surpass the Scots in their contribution to mankind."

Try Googling "famous scots"...... You might be surprised.

In passing, here's a quote from Bill Bryson (American writer who married an Englishwoman and lived for many years in the north of England. In his book, "Notes from a Small Island", after he'd just returned from Scotland to Newcastle he says):-

‘How is is possible, in this wondrous land where the relics of genius and enterprise confront you at every step, where every realm of human possibility has been probed and challenged and generally extended, where many of the very greatest accomplishments of industry,commerce and the arts find their seat, how is possible in such a place that when at length I returned to my hotel and switched on the television it was Cagney and Lacey again?’

How indeed?

It was great to see Tim Berners-Lee's achievements recognised with his inclusion in the Olympic opening ceremony. Particularly as it at times almost descended into a celebration of all things female.

There have been some incredible achievements by women over the centuries, which shatter the myth that there has been entrenched oppression and lack of opportunities for them. It is simply that more men are more ambitious, more visionary and more driven to achieve.

‘How is is possible, in this wondrous land where the relics of genius and enterprise confront you at every step, where every realm of human possibility has been probed and challenged and generally extended, where many of the very greatest accomplishments of industry,commerce and the arts find their seat, how is possible in such a place that when at length I returned to my hotel and switched on the television it was Cagney and Lacey again?’

If Bill Bryson were to write the same today, it would be Britain's Got Talent or X Factor, alongside which Cagney and Lacey seems positively Shakespearian!

Actually, fellas, there's quite a few things that women have invented that you would kinda miss. In particular, you sorta wouldn't be able to use computers if it weren't for women.


Admiral Grace Murray Hopper, for instance, worked on IBM's Harvard Mark I computer, and was the third person to program it, as well as the person to invent the compiler. She oversaw the development of COBOL too.


More significant that the Admiral, though, in terms of computing, was Ada Lovelace, a mathematician in the 19th century who's considered the world's first computer programmer.


Six women - Kay McNulty, Betty Jennings, Betty Snyder, Marlyn Wescoff, Fran Bilas, and Ruth Lichterman - were some of the original programmers for the ENIAC, the first general purpose electronic computer.


A woman also invented kevlar - Stephanie Kwolek, in 1964.


Another woman, Cecilia Payne-Gaposchkin is responsible for one of the most fundamental theories in astrophysics, that stars are made up almost exclusively of hydrogen and helium.


There's also Marie Curie, Hildegard of Bingen, Caroline Herschel, Margaret Cavendish, Maria Mitchell, Annie Scott Dill Maunder, Lise Meitner, Henrietta Swann Leavitt, Mary Cartwright, Jane Goodall, Irene Joliot-Curie, Eugenie Clark, Jill Tarter, Ellen Swallow Richards, Tabitha Babbit, Hertha Marks Ayrton, and hundreds and hundreds of other women responsible for making scientific and engineering advancements that allow you to sit in your chair and log onto your computer and post on this forum, that contribute to your - and our - understanding of the universe as-is. And that's just a few scientists and engineers, doesn't even begin to start in on writers and philosophers and sociologists and pioneers.

@Telesilla.............And if we played a silly exercise of dividing up the inventions and technological achievements between the sexes according to origin, the male civilization would be relatively unchanged and women would give us an interesting insight into stone age life. That would be an exhibit I'd pay to see.

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@Telesilla.............And if we played a silly exercise of dividing up the inventions and technological achievements between the sexes according to origin, the male civilization would be relatively unchanged and women would give us an interesting insight into stone age life. That would be an exhibit I'd pay to see.

yo ya'll started the division of human accomplishments by gender, not me. and the web of accomplishments is hells of more intertwined than that, people build off of each other's work, you take one link outta the chain and the whole thing breaks.

was just tryin to drop some knowledge bombs.

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Actually, fellas, there's quite a few things that women have invented that you would kinda miss. In particular, you sorta wouldn't be able to use computers if it weren't for women.

Yet, men invented them.

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Admiral Grace Murray Hopper, for instance, worked on IBM's Harvard Mark I computer, and was the third person to program it, as well as the person to invent the compiler. She oversaw the development of COBOL too.

COBOL is like assembly code. Except assembly is still used in some places.

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More significant that the Admiral, though, in terms of computing, was Ada Lovelace, a mathematician in the 19th century who's considered the world's first computer programmer.

Ada looks like Visual Basic to me. Any programmer will tell you that Visual Basic is not a language you actually use for real stuff.

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Six women - Kay McNulty, Betty Jennings, Betty Snyder, Marlyn Wescoff, Fran Bilas, and Ruth Lichterman - were some of the original programmers for the ENIAC, the first general purpose electronic computer.

Cool. Some.

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A woman also invented kevlar - Stephanie Kwolek, in 1964.

Dragon Skin.

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Another woman, Cecilia Payne-Gaposchkin is responsible for one of the most fundamental theories in astrophysics, that stars are made up almost exclusively of hydrogen and helium.

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And, btw, where's your intoduction?

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yo ya'll started the division of human accomplishments by gender, not me. and the web of accomplishments is hells of more intertwined than that, people build off of each other's work, you take one link outta the chain and the whole thing breaks.

was just tryin to drop some knowledge bombs.

The achievement of men is celebrated here as a counterbalance and antidote to the denigration and demonization of men that is so prevalent beyond the forum. Something which invigorates and inspires the men is a welcome tonic amid all the feminist and politically correct poison that so abounds.

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Actually, fellas, there's quite a few things that women have invented that you would kinda miss. In particular, you sorta wouldn't be able to use computers if it weren't for women.
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More significant that the Admiral, though, in terms of computing, was Ada Lovelace, a mathematician in the 19th century who's considered the world's first computer programmer.

Ahh yes, a common feminist rewriting of history places AL as the 'first programmer' when in fact, she did no such thing. She was connected with programming, but by no means did she do anything that wasn't already done. She simply expanded on what already existed, she articulated ideas & concepts in a more refined manner than had previously been done.

That's like me saying I invented the car simply by refurbishing it and adding go-faster-stripes down the side.

Now, don't assume I'm knocking women's input to the world.. I'm not, but I am pointing out the bravado you're giving that isn't quite as clear-cut as it may appear. Look up the names of some of the women you're demanding we bow to and you'll see that often times they're not quite so deserving of credit than it might appear. Similar holds true for a lot of men too. Look up some famous chaps from history and you'll often find they've took credit for another man's work, sometimes simply copyrighting or patenting a technology before the other guy got to do so.



And in case you hadn't noticed.. this thread is about MEN's inventions. If you want to go glorifying women, take it to a woman's site.

Why do you suppose men on a men's site would feel compelled to praise women, in a men's thread, when I doubt very much indeed that you go to women's sites and demand the women praise men in a thread intended to praise women.


Assuming you're not just a troll, I'd ask that you show us where you've done just that (demanded women on a women's site pay homage to men while in a women-praising thread)... Of course, somehow, I suspect such a request will only serve to confirm that you're a hypocritical troll.

the "sufragettes styled feminist" continious petty criticism only shows their delusional mental disorder. The ability of men for creativity is unmatched by women, and their achievements are very often in spite of women.

wimyn are gifted by nature ( were they to abandon their pernicious jealous of men ideology of feminitism) with the birthing of children but feminitism has taught them this is beneath them and their true calling is competing with men ; nature gave wimyn breasts not to hold up new age backless bras but to suckle babies ! Yeeeeeeaaaagggggggh they shriek ! motherhood is just a construct

it is a fact that men are responsible for the vast majority of inventions and discoveries. There are women who contributed but compared to men it is not even close. Take a rock and throw into a lake. The lake represents men, and the rock represents women. Sorry but women are not "equal" in this regard.



Not to mention many of the women who contributed didn't do it completely on their lonesome. Marie Curie, a great woman indeed, worked with her husband. Grace Hopper was part of a team that was led by Howard Aiken, an electrical engineer and physicist who first conceived of an electro-mechanical device like the Mark I in 1937. After completing his doctorate at Harvard in 1939, Aiken stayed on to continue the computer's development. IBM funded his research. Aiken headed a team of three engineers including Hopper. The first computer programming language was invented by John Backus and IBM.

The woman who invented a windshield wiper made a wiper that didn't work. The actual electrical wiper that is used today was designed and implemented by men.


Don't get me wrong, I am not saying this means men are superior or anything, but this is a great counterexample to the constant denigration of men that is seen on the media and by feminists. Feminists and media constantly portray women as superior in pretty much everything while men seem to be worse in everything from A to Z! You can't really say anything positive about men anymore.

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yo ya'll started the division of human accomplishments by gender, not me. and the web of accomplishments is hells of more intertwined than that, people build off of each other's work, you take one link outta the chain and the whole thing breaks.

was just tryin to drop some knowledge bombs.

We may in the long term have a more productive dialogue if not all of it is a point-for-point match in the quest for that elusive prize in the blogosphere: The Last Word.

There is no last word. And, as far as my own participation here goes, there is no party line, no cut-and-dried agenda summing up men's objectives in this kind of activity.

And to suggest that only men have certain capabilities and that women uniquely don't or can't, is not a line of argument I for one will go along with. My own views, and my dialogue with and about women on this site, have come under attack and scrutiny, and there are times when I stand my ground and times I relent.

If your objective is merely to object, you will likely score some points. But if your objective is to strive for a more objective and balanced dialogue, I welcome it. I sent you a friend request, to which you have not replied. I looked just now, and among my 24 friends on this site, I count six women. Yes, that is an unbalanced number, but not by policy or quota, merely by circumstance. The offer is sincere, and stands open.

So far, my point-for-point with you has been regarding your etiquette and not your content. You have not made an introduction here, and your opening posts have been of a targeted and harshly critical nature. If that is the example you want to set regarding tone and content, it seems likely the results you get will be self-justifying to your goals.

If, on the other hand, you want to have an adult dialogue, be right at times and wrong at others, make friends, give suggestions, find new sources, and have a good healthy experience here, you are free to set your own objectives. Declaring yourself honestly as in opposition to some of the views shared here is not unwelcome at all, but "dropping knowledge bombs" both insults the purpose of knowledge, and leaves grave doubts as to the productive intentions of the one doing the dropping.

you sorta wouldn't be able to use computers if it weren't for women.

Thats a wild claim isn't it?

people build off of each other's work, you take one link outta the chain and the whole thing breaks.

But thats a little more realistic.

yo ya'll started the division of human accomplishments by gender, not me.

exaggerating a little here!

Aside from the OP there were three comments before you posted, two of which suggested that women were being slightly hard-done-to in the OP:

YanYan: Don't want to rain on the parade but ......

BB: There have been some incredible achievements by women over the centuries, which shatter the myth that there has been entrenched oppression and lack of opportunities for them. It is simply that more men are more ambitious, more visionary and more driven to achieve.

You could have a least waited for a few more of us to slag women off before wading in with an over the top "yo ya'll" ...... your over exuberance just may be your downfall

At least our new acquaintance is being honest with us about her intent.

But coming here and expecting - what? - makes me wonder how honest she is being with herself.

Attention?
Got that...

Results?
Well, um, see above...

Convincing anyone of anything?
'Jury still out' is the most tactful thing I come up with...

Provoking "hate speech" for copy-and-paste activism?
Well, since it's pretty well out of men's hands what exactly constitutes "hate" in the femisphere, maybe...

Seeking mature and beneficial dialogue on difficult issues?
Still interviewing prospective jurors on that one, but the pool of availability due to prejudicial prior contact is getting smaller...