I've heard that Hillary clawed Bill's face and threw an ash tray at him during the Monica Lewinsky business, and also heard that Barbara Streisand was part of one of their fights.

Do we have reliable sources on any of that, or are they just rumors?

I guess if the biographers don't have sources on it, then we're not likely to have them here either.

What is 'success' has to be operationalised to be noticed.

I would see the MRM having some success whan some 'senior' woman like Hillary Clinton is charged with Domestic Violence, maced, dragged from their home (the White House) and thrown in jail. Then have everything stripped from them, a Prevention Order taken out against them and their children taken away.

I would prefer to see that than see a pig fly.

Here is Glenn Sacks' article on it...

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCommentar...20020507c.html

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