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Infanticide of Male Babies in Papua New Guinea.....Men's Fault

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    Infanticide of Male Babies in Papua New Guinea.....Men's Fault


    I imagine most of us are aware of the shocking and horrific actions of the women of Papua New Guinea, who have decided that their only option to fight the tide of tribal warfare is to slaughter all male babies at birth, which has apparently been taking place for the last ten years.

    The following is an excerpt from a news story which can be read in it's entirety here,


    Male Infanticide in Papua New Guinea

    The Papua New Guinea jungle has given up one of its darkest secrets - the systematic slaughter of every male baby born in two villages to prevent future tribal clashes.


    By virtually wiping out the 'male stock', tribal women hope they can avoid deadly bow-and-arrow wars between the villages in the future.


    'Babies grow into men and men turn into warriors,' said Rona Luke, a village wife who is attending a special 'peace and reconciliation' meeting in the mountain village of Goroka.

    Slaughter: The Papua New Guinea Eastern Highlands where it has been claimed women in two villages killed all their male children for a decade to prevent tribal warfare

    'It's because of the terrible fights that have brought death and destruction to our villages for the past 20 years that all the womenfolk have agreed to have all new-born male babies killed,' said Mrs Luke.


    'The women have had enough of men engaging in tribal conflicts and bringing misery to them.'


    The sensational claims recall the Biblical story of the Old Testament pharaoh who ordered all midwives to kill Israelite baby boys because he wanted to ensure there were never enough young men to fight in an army against the Egyptians.


    Mrs Luke said that the village women agreed that if they stopped producing males, allowing only female babies to survive, their tribe's stock of boys would go down and there would be no men in future to fight.


    A resident of Agibu village, Mrs Luke said she did not know how many male babies were killed by being smothered, but it had happened to all males over a 10 year period - and she suggested it was still happening.
    Needless to say, my reaction to this has been one of complete and utter horror. It's a normal response; a response that I would expect each and every one of us to have......unfortunately, that is just not the case.

    Here are some comments from women who have responded to this repellent act of evil.



    From the link I posted above,
    *In any conflict, it's always the women and children who suffer through no doing of their own. And when everything has been ruined, and the men killed, they have to pick up the pieces and restore everything. They must have really had enough to kill their own children like that


    *To feel that a group of humans had to go to these lengths is unimaginable

    *It's so sad that the women from both villages had to come to this terrible arrangement. I hope peace comes to them before any more lives are lost.

    *The men have a great time, it seems, being men and fighting other men most of the time. I'd bet they are as happy as Larry and feel great.
    Sounds like Red Bull heaven.
    As usual, the poor wives and female relatives bear the burden and aftermath of boys being boys
    And, from the website, 'The Women on the Web'
    *These women are losing their sons either way. In war, they raise them for many years only to see thelm slaughtered. While I don’t approve of infanticide, I can see how their desperation would make it seem as if they must shock their society with their decision to stop the suffering at birth. How else can they get the attention of their leaders and the men who insist on warfare as a way of life?

    *How sad to get to a point as a society that you believe that the only way to stop the warring factions is to deprive them of the warriors. Perhaps they might want to swap the Chinese for the girls.


    *Women are not perfect as we all know but war is a by product of men and their pride, testosterone, etc. I have long said if you want peace in the middle east men must be taught their place which would be to sit down, follow 3 steps behind their women and keep their big traps shut.
    Two things stand out quite clearly from the comments of these women....A) It is, unsurprisingly, all the fault of men that the women of Papua New Guinea have been engaging in male infanticide for the last ten years and B) the REAL victims here are not the untold numbers of innocent baby boys who have been slaughtered, but the poor women who have apparently been forced to take such extreme measures.....by men.

    I'm sickened beyond words that there are actually people who would attempt to justify such evil. There are times when I read things so horrible that I actually find myself wishing that I could somehow excise myself from humanity.....this would be one of those occassions.




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    I just *knew* that there was something else that was my fault...

    Are they "saving" any Alpha-Babies to rule the coming harems?

    Or is the plan to just let the region die off?
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    The perversion of perspective and the decline into evil in this small society mirrors that to be found in our highly developed and sophisticated modern one and is perhaps indicative of a critical moment in humankind's journey to consciousness. We see such failure of cognition and sensitivity everywhere. Humanity is failing.

    I wonder sometimes. We are supposedly made in God's image and likeness. Does He weep at the waste and the failures, like I do?

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    Has anyone else tried to comment there? I've tried to do so twice and neither time have they gone through. I'm not sure if it's my connection or what.
    But also, should we really be surprised? Seeing how modern women just adore abortion and harming children in general, should we really be surprised at these girls taking their crap out on their kids and feminism giving them excuse after excuse? Expecting them to take responsibility is like expecting pigs to do algebra.

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    This is fucking disgusting! This made me so angry!! These women kill innocent babies, yet the women are the victims?

    If men did this to baby girls, no matter what reason, people would quickly form a lynching mob and hunt these men down. Pathetic!

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    Nothing out of the ordinary folks.

    "A man made me do it."

    "it's men's fault."


    They have to absolve themselves of responsibility. Their western sisters can do it, why can't they?
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    Don't date women from those villages.
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    Don't date women from those villages.
    Boom boom.

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    Quote Quote from BlueRanger View Post
    This is fucking disgusting! This made me so angry!! These women kill innocent babies, yet the women are the victims?

    If men did this to baby girls, no matter what reason, people would quickly form a lynching mob and hunt these men down. Pathetic!
    Well this happens RIGHT NOW.

    In China.

    Male children are so highly desired that back alley vans with ultrasound (to determine sex) and on the spot abortion procedures are available.

    So many girl babies are aborted.

    I'm not sure about the number of babies being killed.
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    The perversion of perspective and the decline into evil in this small society mirrors that to be found in our highly developed and sophisticated modern one and is perhaps indicative of a critical moment in humankind's journey to consciousness. We see such failure of cognition and sensitivity everywhere. Humanity is failing.

    I wonder sometimes. We are supposedly made in God's image and likeness. Does He weep at the waste and the failures, like I do?
    Well said, Percy.

    Humanity is failing and it's hearbreaking and painful to watch the downfall and destruction of something you love.

    I'm sure God does weep.
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    I despair, sometimes, Kim. But then I remind myself that Humankind has been through phases of complete depravity and evil, and has come through it.

    I look at Ghengis Khan, a man and an era which some people still admire. The slaughter was massive over half the populated world. Yes, a man. But all the women in his train didn't object. They lived off the carnage. His evil was eventually exhausted and his Mongol hordes today are a rump.

    The Mayans were slaughterers too. They tore the beating hearts out of living people. From children too. Their civilisation wiped itself out.

    Humankind rises and declines, in pockets, here and there.

    This is a long, 2000 years of Christianity and the eventual rise to 'dominance' of the Western world's 'enlightenment'. It has had its evil periods too. It has nonetheless had a steady rise despite the falls, and in this present era, the past hundred years or so, we have all benefitted from the fruits of 'Good'. They have been hard fought for, both at the individual level and the nation-state level. An 'ethic' for humanity had been developed over the last five hundred years, a Christian-based ethic, which held out hope for the billions.

    But it is failing.

    The planetary rise of a benign noosphere was in sight. It needed, and still needs, a spiritual path. We have all the material technology needed to make a Planetary Brain, which we are doing right now, a means to permit the planet to express its 'mind'. The Human mind.

    But without compassion and Love and a love of Truth, without a decentred and Perfect objective, it will be a psychopaths mind.

    I have a fairly wooly idea about Good and Evil. It is probably no better conception than most people's and probably a little less strident than a Fundementalist. Good and Evil are diametrically opposed. But it is clear that the path of human progress, the Planet's progress, can be mapped using the measures of good and evil.

    I think we have fallen into a phase where evil has the upper hand. But as we are at a crucial stage of Humankind's development, the planting of Evil into the Planetary Brain's psyche is a step bakward that may have horrendous future consequences.

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    Well this happens RIGHT NOW.

    In China.

    Male children are so highly desired that back alley vans with ultrasound (to determine sex) and on the spot abortion procedures are available.

    So many girl babies are aborted.

    I'm not sure about the number of babies being killed.
    It's not detracting from girls being favoured in China, but it has an economic practicality in the minds of the prospective parents. A daughter will eventually get married and move away from the village/town contributing little or nothing to the parents, a son even if married will prove to be a better provider for the parents in old age. So it's not so much that females are seen as inferior, just that males prove to be better beasts of burden.

    Here's a chilling example of which gender is truely expendable in China. http://www.asianews.it/view_p.php?l=en&art=2652
    From 1992 till 2002, mining accidents killed 434 miners in the US but a staggering 59,543 in China.
    I suspect the 'gender dynamic' in China will change in the near future. Last year over half of all the worlds cement was poured in China. This, in preparation for a mass rural migration of 300 million Chinese in the next 30 years to city dwelling.

    Also, the pathetic responses by women and feminists regarding the male babies slaughtered by New Guinea women - are depressingly predictable and only reinforces my belief that 'many' women are morally bereft whatever the culture, and have no sense of remorse nor justice. Centuries of entrenched chivalry and gynocentrism have left women without a discernable conscience it seems. Alongside the contemporary manginas, our 'pandering' forefathers have a part in this blame also.

    Here's a more expansive set of responses (73 comments) to this very story on a interesting and well frequented blog entitled Feminist Critics, Engendering Discussion.... http://www.feministcritics.org/blog/...ears/#more-527 I also noted a few familiar names.
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