Fox News' Red Eye

**Kim** · #1 26th-October-2008

Once again, I was watching Fox News' Red Eye with my husband when I happened upon something worth noting.

They were discussing the Ashley Todd hate crime hoax. For anyone who's not up-to-date on this, Ashley Todd, a volunteer for the McCain campaign, reported to police that she'd been attacked by a large, black man while withdrawing money from an ATM. She sported a black eye and alleged that the man had carved the letter "B" for 'Barrack' into her cheek (incidentally, it was scratched in backwards as though someone was looking in a mirror while doing so...ahem). After some questioning, Ms. Todd admitted to having made the whole thing up.

Greg (Red Eye host) mentioned that he believed the punishment for filing a false report for a hate crime should be equal to the punishment for actually committing a hate crime and that she should go to jail. He then proceeded to read this statement by Ethan Eilon, Executive Director of the College Republican National Committee,

"We think this girl has endured enough and that this is going to be something for her and her family to work through."

The following exchange between Greg and Remi Spencer, female guest on Red Eye, came next.

Greg: "So suddenly, she's the victim?"

Remi: "She needs help, she needs a psychological evaluation and treatment, perhaps hospitalization."

Greg: "But if guys do this, they never say they need psychological help, it's always girls, right Harrison? Girls are always saying like, oh they've got some kind of emotional trouble, right?"

First of all, the comment by the Republican representative is just unbelievable. She's suffered enough? How so? Because she got caught in her lie? Is that sufficient reparations for making false allegations? As Greg so aptly pointed out......Now she's the victim?

Greg made several astute observations, in my opinion. First of all he made the point I've long made, that the punishment for someone purposely falsely accusing another should be equal to the punishment for the crime they're alleging was commited against them.

He also made the highly accurate point that if Ms. Todd was a man, this would be handled very, very differently. No one would be putting out statements telling us to leave the poor guy alone.....he's suffered enough. There wouldn't be any suggestions that he has emotional troubles and just needs to get some help. He would be exactly what Ms. Todd is, an unconscionable liar who was willing to make ugly, horrible accusations to meet his own ends; uncaring about the damage those allegations might cause to others.

As my husband and I were discussing these points, he told me about another exchange on a previous episode. Thanks to DVR technology, he was able to replay this episode for me.

This time, they were discussing Mark Gardiner and Bridget Baker. Mark and Bridget had been married, once upon a time, and long since divorced. In 1995, Mark won 17 million dollars in a lottery. At some point between his winning the lottery and the present, Mark and Bridget renewed their relationship, Bridget got pregnant and they are now getting remarried.

The point was made by Bill (the show's other host) that roughly one half of the population (you guess which half) is going 'You go girl', while the other half is saying, 'You idiot'.

Greg asked Julie Banderas, Fox News Anchor and Red Eye guest, if she was saying 'you go girl'.

Here's her response,

"Yeah, what better way to get child support from the poor b*******?......If he really is that stupid that he's going to do it without a prenuptial agreement then she deserves it."

Very nice.

One of the things that stood out the most to me while viewing these exchanges was not the typical misandric attitudes displayed, but that these attitudes were being challenged; that I was seeing comments and ideas expressed on National television that I wouldn't have expected to find outside of a men's rights website. While I doubt Greg and Bill identify themselves as MRA's, I think it's apparent that the word is getting out, people are starting to question the lies and to recognize the disparities and bias.

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Marx · #2 26th-October-2008

Just incredible, isn't it!

**Percy** · #3 26th-October-2008

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One of the things that stood out the most to me while viewing these exchanges was not the typical feminist attitudes displayed, but that these attitudes were being challenged;

Hmmmm. I agree with the point, Kim, about being challenged, but not the lead in about 'typical feminist' attitude.

From your position as a reasonable, good, switched-on woman, - a rarity - you may not be seeing that the attitudes were those of the typical woman. Not just feminists.

That is the sad and sickening thing. The virus has spread to almost every nook and cranny; every hooker and granny.

**Kim** · #4 27th-October-2008

Go read it now, Percy, I changed it for you.

You're correct though, I am always shocked anew when I hear such things. Apparently I'm more accustomed to it than my husband, though. He was absolutely outraged and simply couldn't believe the child support comments. I told him he should go visit some of the feminist websites.....he said he'd pass.

RedRooster · #5 27th-October-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kim

Once again, I was watching Fox News' Red Eye with my husband when I happened upon something worth noting.

They were discussing the Ashley Todd hate crime hoax. For anyone who's not up-to-date on this, Ashley Todd, a volunteer for the McCain campaign, reported to police that she'd been attacked by a large, black man while withdrawing money from an ATM. She sported a black eye and alleged that the man had carved the letter "B" for 'Barrack' into her cheek (incidentally, it was scratched in backwards as though someone was looking in a mirror while doing so...ahem). After some questioning, Ms. Todd admitted to having made the whole thing up.

Greg (Red Eye host) mentioned that he believed the punishment for filing a false report for a hate crime should be equal to the punishment for actually committing a hate crime and that she should go to jail. He then proceeded to read this statement by Ethan Eilon, Executive Director of the College Republican National Committee,

"We think this girl has endured enough and that this is going to be something for her and her family to work through."

Excellent! Chivalry at work beats the post-mortem diatribe at it's own game. She is a victim, poor girl, she has been subjected to years of re-education and is only demonstrating that A does in fact equal A.

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Originally Posted by Kim

The following exchange between Greg and Remi Spencer, female guest on Red Eye, came next.

Greg: "So suddenly, she's the victim?"

Remi: "She needs help, she needs a psychological evaluation and treatment, perhaps hospitalization."

Greg: "But if guys do this, they never say they need psychological help, it's always girls, right Harrison? Girls are always saying like, oh they've got some kind of emotional trouble, right?

Right! But Greg is missing the point. In this instance let's leave the fabricated battle of the sexes aside. Remi, is making a case for the prevailing logic which in turn shows how ludicrous the prevailing logic is!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kim

First of all, the comment by the Republican representative is just unbelievable. She's suffered enough? How so? Because she got caught in her lie? Is that sufficient reparations for making false allegations? As Greg so aptly pointed out......Now she's the victim?

Greg made several astute observations, in my opinion. First of all he made the point I've long made, that the punishment for someone purposely falsely accusing another should be equal to the punishment for the crime they're alleging was commited against them.

He also made the highly accurate point that if Ms. Todd was a man, this would be handled very, very differently. No one would be putting out statements telling us to leave the poor guy alone.....he's suffered enough. There wouldn't be any suggestions that he has emotional troubles and just needs to get some help. He would be exactly what Ms. Todd is, an unconscionable liar who was willing to make ugly, horrible accusations to meet his own ends; uncaring about the damage those allegations might cause to others.

As my husband and I were discussing these points, he told me about another exchange on a previous episode. Thanks to DVR technology, he was able to replay this episode for me.

This time, they were discussing Mark Gardiner and Bridget Baker. Mark and Bridget had been married, once upon a time, and long since divorced. In 1995, Mark won 17 million dollars in a lottery. At some point between his winning the lottery and the present, Mark and Bridget renewed their relationship, Bridget got pregnant and they are now getting remarried.

The point was made by Bill (the show's other host) that roughly one half of the population (you guess which half) is going 'You go girl', while the other half is saying, 'You idiot'.

Greg asked Julie Banderas, Fox News Anchor and Red Eye guest, if she was saying 'you go girl'.

Here's her response,

"Yeah, what better way to get child support from the poor b*******?......If he really is that stupid that he's going to do it without a prenuptial agreement then she deserves it."

Very nice.

Indeed! Her true colors are shining through and that is always "very nice", as the truth always is (in my opinion).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kim

One of the things that stood out the most to me while viewing these exchanges was not the typical misandric attitudes displayed, but that these attitudes were being challenged; that I was seeing comments and ideas expressed on National television that I wouldn't have expected to find outside of a men's rights website. While I doubt Greg and Bill identify themselves as MRA's, I think it's apparent that the word is getting out, people are starting to question the lies and to recognize the disparities and bias.

More...

Bravo! This whole thing is beautiful! You can't write this stuff! Fact is indeed stranger than fiction...

I don't watch network television, so as a Man from Mars, I feel qualified to say that the 'reality' portrayed in this whole excerpt is totally logical.

christianj · #6 27th-October-2008

Yes but, we are forgetting this..

Quote:

Greg: "So suddenly, she's the victim?"
Remi: "She needs help, she needs a psychological evaluation and treatment, perhaps hospitalization."

Greg: "But if guys do this, they never say they need psychological help, it's always girls, right Harrison? Girls are always saying like, oh they've got some kind of emotional trouble, right?"

There is some reality !

shaazam · #7 27th-October-2008

"""We think this girl has endured enough and that this is going to be something for her and her family to work through.""""

that cop out phrase again for feminits

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