Go get'em Kim.

I despair sometimes. Like you I see these stupid women complaining in the luxury of the west while men are here are reviled. I see other women in the places you describe suffer horrors that we used not to be able to imagine but can see all over the world if we bother to look.

I also see really wicked men all over the world too; men who are usually doing the atrocities. Killing poor men; dispossessing women and leaving the children fatherless and in apalling conditions. I can join in and condemn them roundly, as a man, but even as I do that I find myself condemned by western women, not just feminists but the ordinary unthinking ideologically depraved women in the street, when I have done little but go about my lawful occasions and occasionally trying to do a bit of good here and there. These wicked men are not distinguished from me by our cossetted western airhead women.

( Indeed, some of these same stupid women tell me that these awful cultures with their oppressions and wickednesses, are 'equally valid' and to be 'respected'. We are to 'learn' from them. !!)

I am villified; me; me who put my life on the line fighting such evil. I am deemed a rapist by vile women who have no respect and no sense of proportion.

I despair that after five centuries of moving forward from a similar apalling state of affairs in the west that we find in African countries or the east today, to an 'Enlightened' and productive, comparatively luxurious position, that we are now disintegrating. The gains and progresses hard won, hard fought for, hard developed largely by men over so long a time could be held and maintained with just a little gratitude and effort, a little recognition and care, a little repect for one another, a little concern for that maintenance.

But what do we have? The ones who have benefitted the most and done the least, complain and destroy, demean and villify, lie and steal.

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Excellente Kim!

Good follow up Percy

One of my grand Mothers died a ripe old age in the 70's having long since retired as a school principal, early 1900's. Great with kids and very loving. How was she oppressed? Phyllis Schlafly tells similar stories disproving the lies of opression. Many men had problems finding jobs back then and the women often filled in the blanks without crying and without destroying the family for a wealthier men.

Thank you Billy, and yes, excellent follow up Percy.

I know what you mean Billy. I was actually going to expand upon the alleged oppression of western women in days of yore but I just couldn't get it to flow correctly.

I have actually read the journal of my great-great-great grandmother. She worked hard, loved her family and spoke nothing but admiration, respect and love for her husband. No one would ever consider her oppressed. Longevity tends to run in my family, my great grandmother lived to be 100 as did one of my great aunts. They were just wonderful, wonderful women. Full of life and spunk. I can't even imagine what their reaction would have been if someone had told them that their lives, lives that they loved and were proud of, were ones of oppression.

Did you happen to get my comment?

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Did you happen to get my comment?

What comment, MS?

I submitted a comment right on your blog page. I wasn't sure if you got it or not.

I haven't checked them yet....I generally moderate them once or twice a day. I'll go and moderate them right now while I'm on the computer. Does it say Mad Shanghai?

It says, "MadShangi"

Rhymes with bang me. lol

Yes, I did get it.

I wasn't happy having to start moderating comments. It happened when I was gone camping and I came back and a female poster had gone through and made numerous rude and sarcastic comments; several times personally attacking others who had posted to my blog. I welcome dissenting opinions, I'll even put up with (to a point) personal attacks against me, but I'm not going to have someone throwing around personal attacks and insults against people who have made intelligent, reasonable comments on my blog.

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Yes, I did get it.

I wasn't happy having to start moderating comments. It happened when I was gone camping and I came back and a female poster had gone through and made numerous rude and sarcastic comments; several times personally attacking others who had posted to my blog. I welcome dissenting opinions, I'll even put up with (to a point) personal attacks against me, but I'm not going to have someone throwing around personal attacks and insults against people who have made intelligent, reasonable comments on my blog.

If people start doing that on my blog, I'm just going to leave it there, to expose the idiocy of such people.

women in the west experience oppression at the structural level as well as in attitudes and expressions of our society. It's as to suggest that someone isn't a misogynist because they don't beat their wife.... they may never elect a female candidate because she is inferior as a woman or not encourage their daughter to play sports regardless of her interest because that's what "boys do".

Women are statistically more likely to be a victim of a violent crime, of rape, of sexual assault. Our society blames the victim for their role in the crime they have been unwillingly made to be part of. When a woman wears a short skirt she should KNOW better than to do that because she is CLEARLY only looking for one thing (that one thing being a man forcefully having sex with her despite her cries for help and NO).
When you walk down the street with your PURSE so gingerly sashaying on your shoulder and if someone happens to snatch it you should know better. It's YOUR FAULT that your purse was stolen. This is the same idea and these attitudes are why women continue to be oppressed in our society.

This is only a couple examples of how women continue to be oppressed in our society, these are symptoms of a bigger issue, an issue of oppression. The oppression women experience worldwide is devastating and as 1st world women our oppression isn't as visible as women being set on fire after their new husband has cashed in their dowry or young girls being tricked into joining the sex trade in Eastern Europe but this does not devalue to experience nor diminish the need for women to stand up for their rights.

As a woman I would expect a greater level of thinking but perhaps you need to spend some time educating yourself in the community on the issue and understand that every woman's experience in western society doesn't necessarily exist in the same comfortable blog land that you appear to live in.

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women in the west experience oppression at the structural level as well as in attitudes and expressions of our society.

So do men. But ours is actually deeper because women are now conditioned to speak out against it ONLY when it affects women and to ignore it when it affects men. Men are also taught this, to speak out against oppression against women but to turn a blind eye to men's oppression.

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It's as to suggest that someone isn't a misogynist because they don't beat their wife.... they may never elect a female candidate because she is inferior as a woman or not encourage their daughter to play sports regardless of her interest because that's what "boys do".

Similarly for a misandrist to always assume a woman makes the better parent by default but it's ok because she doesn't use the children as weapons to hurt him with or she may leave feminist articles around intentionally for her Son to find proclaiming female superiority or male inferiority.. But it's ok 'cuz she doesn't hate men & boys... much.

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Women are statistically more likely to be a victim of a violent crime, of rape, of sexual assault.

Ignoring that women's sexual assaults against men are typically not even recognised by the law, the full statement is utterly unsubstantiated and absolutely untrue. I insist you supply your sources for such wild claims.

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Our society blames the victim for their role in the crime they have been unwillingly made to be part of. When a woman wears a short skirt she should KNOW better than to do that because she is CLEARLY only looking for one thing (that one thing being a man forcefully having sex with her despite her cries for help and NO).

Pretending this is a 'woman issue' when it's not isn't going to help your claims. This mentality of 'blame the victim' happens throughout society. If I leave the keys in the ignition of my car in a rough neighbourhood while I go sleep at a friends down the road, my insurance company will NOT pay up because they see that [leaving keys in ignition] as gross ignorance on my part. They will say I left the keys in the ignition intentionally for someone to steal it. If I leave the door window down while I go hang with friends, the police will laugh at me when I report that it's been stolen.
Pretending that 'blame the victim' is a woman issue - is utterly untruthful of you, again.
Why do feminists insist on pretending everything is a woman-only issue?

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When you walk down the street with your PURSE so gingerly sashaying on your shoulder and if someone happens to snatch it you should know better. It's YOUR FAULT that your purse was stolen.

Thanks for supporting my above point.

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This is the same idea and these attitudes are why women continue to be oppressed in our society.

Ooooh - so now you're going to pretend that no man on Earth has had his wallet stolen? Maybe no man on Earth has had his car stolen, or been the victim of a robbery or break-in? Perhaps no man has been sexually molested ever? Maybe no man has ever been right about anything?

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This is only a couple examples of how women continue to be oppressed in our society,

No, let me correct this sexist view you are promoting. "This is only a couple of examples I could think of how I see only some oppression and want you to believe my lies that only women face oppression while I insist on ignoring all forms of male-oppression."

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these are symptoms of a bigger issue, an issue of oppression.

Of people.

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The oppression women experience worldwide

Is only half the problem.

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is devastating and as 1st world women our oppression isn't as visible as women being set on fire after their new husband has cashed in their dowry or young girls being tricked into joining the sex trade in Eastern Europe but this does not devalue to experience nor diminish the need for women to stand up for their rights.

Similarly, first-world men's oppression isn't as visible as men who are castrated on a woman's mere allegation without evidence, or men being thrown from moving trains because he's on the women-only (i.e. privileged) carriage.

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As a woman

Why do you assume your sex is of any importance just because you're a sexist who wants to ignore men's suffering while demanding we focus exclusively on women's issues?

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I would expect a greater level of thinking

Irony!!!!

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but perhaps you need to spend some time educating yourself

Irony!!!!!

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in the community on the issue and understand that every woman's experience in western society doesn't necessarily exist in the same comfortable blog land that you appear to live in.

IRONY!!!!!!!!

Oh boy [excuse the obvious sexism of such an exclamation] the irony-meter has red-lined and I'm struggling to tell whether you're just a troll, a feminist or just someone who's slightly retarded.

The problem is that so many feminists just spit out information that they've been fed. No real mental analysis is involved. And they almost always speak from a third-person perspective. And so the vicious cycle continues.............................

I know women aren't always truthful when they speak of personal experiences with men, but by comparison they're easier to believe than those who just blindly repeat feminist distortions and statistics.

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The problem is that so many feminists just spit out information that they've been fed. No real mental analysis is involved. And they almost always speak from a third-person perspective. And so the vicious cycle continues.............................

I know women aren't always truthful when they speak of personal experiences with men, but by comparison they're easier to believe than those who just blindly repeat feminist distortions and statistics.

An interesting assertion about the third-party aspect. Now that I think of it, the only first-person accounts of abuses women have suffered that I ever heard were from women who were using the experiences and the process of discussing them to relieve their fears and bitterness toward men, not to justify it.

This glorifying of suffering, and canonizing of sufferers, seems to have no limit. As you put it, I can see now that many women who speak in the abstract and at a distance about "common-knowledge" versions of oppression toward their sex are actually WISHING that they had been victims somehow, so that their suffering would elevate them in the eyes of the sisterhood, and justify their own alienation from things male that probably has more social and self-esteem roots than abusive ones.

Speaking as an American, I see this whole way of life as abusive of basic human dignities. But for any woman to celebrate herself as a special kind of victim entitled to a special form of relief and entitlement, while blaming all of one's own and every other woman's difficulties on any and all men, is just childish.

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But for any woman to celebrate herself as a special kind of victim entitled to a special form of relief and entitlement, while blaming all of one's own and every other woman's difficulties on any and all men, is just childish.

Yes, it's childish and pathetic at the same time. For what its worth, the elites who bankroll feminism will never truly respect feminists nor take them seriously because they constantly contradict and defeat themselves on a daily basis.