Old but gold....NUMBERS!!!

http://www.ifeminists.com/introducti...002/0423a.html

Edited for clarification. Nice find Feckless.

I was intrigued by the Etta Ann Urdiales case, so i looked it up and post this link for anyone else who might be interested.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...163510,00.html

good article feckless.

Thx....(the reputation button is on top in form of a scale )

I understand that wimins's groups are frantically endeavouring to redress this outrage in sentencing in their striving for equality with the men

Feckless, got a link for this? It would suite VERY well in this part of the site...

http://antimisandry.com/links/facts-...th-sources-26/

If the rules were simpler then fewer outrages would occur. Since then there would be less room for bias and backroom deals and overlawyering to kick in.

I mean in the same drunk driving violation there is a 3:1 difference in punishment depending on the color of the victim or what is between their legs??!!? This should have nothing to do with it. It's irrelevant.

I think that the big issue with laws is that mostly lawyers run for office and they love making things more complex. We seldom repeal laws and simplify.

U.S. Department of Justice
Office of Justice Programs

Bureau of Justice Statistics
Executive Summary

September 1995, NCJ-156831

Spouse Murder Defendants in Large Urban Counties

(Note: This file does not contain graphics or tables. The full report may
be ordered using the title and NCJ number above by calling the BJS
Clearinghouse at 1-800-732-3277.)

Highlights

Number of spouse murder defendants
and their demographic characteristics

In 1988 the justice system in the Nation's 75 largest counties disposed of
an estimated 540 spouse murder cases. Husbands charged with killing
their wife outnumbered wives charged with killing their husband. Of the
540, 318--or 59%--were husband defendants and 222--or 41%--were wife
defendants.

Blacks comprised 55% of the 540 defendants, and whites comprised 43%.
Among husband defendants 51% were black and 45% were white.
Among wife defendants 61% were black and 39% were white. In 97%
of the murders, both spouses were the same race.

Ages of spouse murder defendants ranged from 18 to 87. The average
age was 39. The average age of husband defendants was 41; of wife
defendants, 37 years.

Arrest charge

First-degree murder was the most frequent charge at arrest, accounting for
70% of defendants. In descending order of seriousness, charges were
distributed this way across the 540 spouse murder defendants:

70% first-degree murder
24% second-degree murder
6% nonnegligent manslaughter

How the justice system disposed of spouse murder cases

Cases were disposed of in one of three ways:

(1) the prosecutor declined to prosecute; or
(2) the defendant pleaded not guilty, stood trial, and was either acquitted
or convicted; or

(3) the defendant pleaded guilty.

Of the 540 spouse murder defendants, 232--or 43%--pleaded guilty to
killing their spouse, and 238--44%--pleaded not guilty and stood trial.
The remaining 70 persons--or 13%--were not prosecuted.

Outcome for spouse murder defendants
who pleaded not guilty and stood trial

Of the 238 who pleaded not guilty, 63% were tried by a jury and the
remaining 37% were tried by a judge. Together, judges and juries
acquitted 16% of the 238 spouse murder defendants and convicted
84%--or 199 persons--of killing their spouse.

Bench trials (trials before a judge) had a higher acquittal rate than jury
trials: 26% of bench trials ended in acquittal, versus 11% of jury trials.

Defendants convicted of killing their spouse

Of the 540 spouse murder defendants, 431 (or 80%) were ultimately
convicted of killing their spouse. Their conviction was the result of either
pleading guilty (232 persons) or being convicted at trial (199 persons).

While most persons arrested (70%) for spouse murder were charged with
first-degree murder, most persons convicted (52%) of spouse murder had
negligent or nonnegligent manslaughter as their conviction offense.

Sentences for defendants convicted
of killing their spouse

Of the 431 defendants convicted of killing their spouse, 89% were
sentenced to a State prison, 1% were sentenced to a county jail, and the
remaining 10% received a sentence of straight probation (no prison or jail
confinement).

An estimated 12% of the 431 convicted spouse murderers received a
sentence to life imprisonment and 1% received the death penalty.

Excluding life and death sentences, the average prison term imposed was
13 years.

Wife defendants less likely
to be convicted

Wife defendants had a lower conviction rate than husband defendants--

* Of the 222 wife defendants, 70% were convicted of killing their mate.
By contrast, of the 318 husband defendants, 87% were convicted of
spouse murder.

* Of the 100 wife defendants tried by either a judge or jury, 31% were
acquitted. But of the 138 husband defendants tried, 6% were acquitted.

* Of the 59 wife defendants tried by a jury, 27% were acquitted. But of
the estimated 91 husband defendants tried by a jury, none was acquitted.

Convicted wife defendants sentenced
less severely

An estimated 156 wives and 275 husbands were convicted of killing their
spouse. Convicted wives were less likely than convicted husbands to be
sentenced to prison, and convicted wives received shorter prison sentences
than their male counterparts--

* 81% of convicted wives but 94% of convicted husbands received a
prison sentence.

* On average, convicted wives received prison sentences that were about
10 years shorter than what husbands received. Excluding life or death
sentences, the average prison sentence for killing a spouse was 6 years for
wives but 16.5 years for husbands.

* Among wives sentenced to prison, 15% received a sentence of 20 years
or more (including life imprisonment and the death penalty); among
husbands, it was 43%.

Victim provocation more often
present in wife defendant cases

According to information contained in prosecutor files, more wife
defendants (44%) than husband defendants (10%) had been assaulted by
their spouse (threatened with a weapon or physically assaulted) at or
around the time of the murder.

Self-defense as possible explanation
for wives' lower conviction rate

In certain circumstances, extreme victim provocation may justify taking
a life in self-defense. Provocation was more often present in wife
defendant cases, and wife defendants were less likely than husband
defendants to be convicted, suggesting that the relatively
high rate of victim provocation characteristic of wife defendant cases was
one of the reasons wife defendants had a lower conviction rate than
husband defendants. Consistent with that, of the provoked wife
defendants, 56% were convicted, significantly lower than either the 86%
conviction rate for unprovoked wife defendants or the 88% conviction rate
for unprovoked husbands.

No explanation for why State prison sentences
were, on average, 10 years shorter for wife
defendants than husband defendants

Wives received shorter prison sentences than husbands (a 10-year
difference, on average) even when the comparison is restricted to
defendants who were alike in terms of whether or not they were
provoked--

* The average prison sentence for unprovoked wife defendants was 7
years, or 10 years shorter than the average 17 years for unprovoked
husband defendants.

Victim's race unrelated to outcomes

The victim was black in 55% of cases and white in 43%. The likelihood
of a defendant being convicted of spouse murder was about the same
whether the murder victim was white or black. Among spouse murder
defendants whose victim was white, 81% were convicted. Among those
whose victim was black, 79% were convicted.

Likewise, the sentence was unrelated to the victim's race. The likelihood
of a convicted spouse murderer receiving a prison sentence was about the
same whether the murder victim was white or black: the convicted spouse
murderer was sentenced to prison in 93% of cases where the victim was
white, not significantly different from the 87% of cases where the victim
was black. The length of the prison sentence imposed on a convicted
spouse murderer was generally unrelated to whether the murder victim
was white or black--

* For conviction for first-degree murder, the average prison term
(excluding life and death sentences) was 29 years in white-victim cases,
not significantly different from the 32 years in black-victim cases

* For conviction for second-degree murder, the average prison term
(excluding life sentences) was 19 years in white-victim cases, significantly
longer than the 13 years in black-victim cases. However, 23% of
convicted second-degree murder defendants in black-victim cases received
a sentence of life imprisonment, compared to 8% of defendants in
white-victim cases.

* For conviction for nonnegligent manslaughter, the average prison term
(excluding life sentences) was 8 years in white-victim cases, not
significantly different from the average 6 years in black-victim cases.

Defendant's race unrelated to outcomes

The likelihood of conviction, and of a prison sentence if convicted, and
the length of the prison sentence were about the same whether the spouse
murder defendant was white or black--

* 78% of white defendants were convicted, not significantly different from
the 80% of black defendants.

* Among convicted spouse murderers, 93% of white defendants were
sentenced to prison, not significantly different from the 88% of black
defendants.

Processing time

Three measures of processing time were taken from the day of the
murder--to arrest, to indictment, and to final disposition. Most spouse
murder defendants were arrested on the same day the killing occurred.
Average time to indictment was 4 months. Average time to final
disposition was almost exactly 1 year.

For husbands tried by a jury, 12. months was the average elapsed time
from the day of the murder to the conclusion of the jury trial. For wives
tried by a jury it was significantly longer, about 18. months.

Methodology

This study is based upon a systematic sample of murder cases disposed of
in the 75 most populous counties in 1988. A case was considered
disposed if the prosecutor screened it out, if the defendant pleaded guilty,
or if the defendant went to trial and was either convicted or acquitted.
The 75 are where a little over half of all murders in the Nation occur.

Spouse murder defendants in the sample were drawn from State prosecutor
files in 33 of the 75 counties. The counties were widely scattered, from
Los Angeles and San Diego, Denver and Dallas, to Philadelphia and Dade
County (Miami). For each defendant, data collectors filled out a lengthy
questionnaire and prepared a brief narrative from file information.
Prosecutor files include such items as the police arrest report, investigator
reports, and information on how the case was disposed. Questionnaires
and narratives are the sources of data for this report.

The same database used in this report was previously analyzed by John M.
Dawson and Barbara Boland (Murder in Large Urban Counties, 1988, BJS
Special Report, NCJ-140614, May 1993) and by John M. Dawson and
Patrick A. Langan (Murder in Families, BJS Special Report, NCJ-143498,
July 1994).

(END OF FILE)

Has anyone here noticed that when a MAN gets sentenced for MURDER, that is what he is sentenced for.
There is a trend over here in NZ that if a woman might kill someone, intentionally, it is almost always "down-graded" to MAN-SLAUGHTER?
It makes me wonder why the judge doesn't just say "would you like fries with that?"

He will be named and shamed in the media, often having his photo spread over the front page of one of a number of newspapers here (they are all owned by the same guy here).

She on the other hand, will get total media anonymity, will be sentenced to a short stretch in prison (if she isn't granted Home Detention to look after her kids, beforehand).

It smells of fish in here.

There are times when I positively despise America, Americans generally and all things American. The evil pestilence that is Feminism all started out in that country, wreaking havoc within the social fabric over there, before spreading to the rest of the western world. Much of the crap dumbing down of society has its origins in America, including the economic problems now infesting the entire globe - all down to sheer greed and financial irresponsibility all going to show the very worst aspects of rampant capitalism gone crazy.

This blatant discrimination against the male gender has always been a factor of American life, and the feminists have fed on it big time, manipulating it all in favour of the female gender at the expense of the male.

Over 20 or so years ago Warren Farrell laid bare to it all in his book "The Myth of Male Power", but such is the power and influence of Feminazism over western societies now that nobody has the balls to confront it head on or to redress the balance of this blatant anti-male discrimination of all kinds and in all aspects of life.

I know it's wrong to be fashionable and to jump on the "Hate America" bandwagon, but it really is so difficult to resist it. The same could be said for hatred towards not only the Feminist movement but for all the entire female gender as well. Hardly a day goes by that I don't feel a very strong enmity towards women generally. I believe that the poet Rupert Brooke suffered from exactly the same "condition"....his aversion to most women was very apparent throughout his life.

Harking back to my days as a very young lad, and the experiences I had at the wrong end of the female hand, I can now see more clearly where and when the seeds of my own personal dislike of the female gender were planted.

Each time I see case after case after case of females virtually getting off Scot free in relative terms while males in exactly the same circumstances, or even in less serious situations, get their balls screwed off big time, I really can feel the red mist descend. Unfortunately, or fortunately would be more like it, I am not the type of bloke to let this red mist lead me to do something I would deeply regret later.

I don't know about you guys but it seems to me that this "anti male" attitude seems to be getting more and more evident in our society. It's as if so many males have become hypnotised or something similar by the feminists and carrying so called "chivalry" to ridiculous extremes.

Well I guess that cat is out of the bag. All of the worlds ills are caused by America and Americans.

It is a plot we concocted to make the rest of you miserable.

We are truly a horrible lot. I deeply apologise to the rest of the world for being born in America and causing so amny problems for the rest of you.

I wish now I had chosen to be born else where.

Despite the "glaring" sentencing disparity according to gender, this wholesale unethical discrimination against men is ignored and excused in a most sinisterly contrived way throughout every sphere of life. No example betters serves mens lowly position and womens elevated status. What rotten corruption we as men are beset by.

Even if the feminist rot is vanquished, we are still left with the domesticated obedience of chivalry to gynocentrism. Maybe how best to "kill two birds with one stone?"

This says it all. It makes the corruptness of ancient Rome look rather subdued by comparison.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-a...le-standard/3/

Yeah, I'd say that's clearly a case of discrimination.

In all honesty this why I have no faith in women.

Even they consider their sons to be less important.


Where are the outraged mothers protesting to protect their sons?

Indeed and for that matter where are all the women protesting all the anti-male biasness going on with law enforcements and the courts (criminal, civil and family)?

Anyway, I was reading the comments and the defense attorney responded:

So it seems that even though Alan was charged with a felony, something caused the DA to change his mind.

This is good but how many cases like this go unnoticed and the felony sticks?