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    Don't throw the baby in the trash-can Dearie. And don't tell the Dad.

    http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/10/07/safe-haven-laws-trample-due-process-for-fathers/


    Jeffery M. Leving

    Safe Haven Laws Trample Due Process for Fathers

    2008-10-07 at 7:41 am · Filed under Activism, Family, Fatherhood, Mating, Marriage & Divorce, Men's Rights Activism, North America, Sex & Metropolis, Society, Vox Populi, parents rights
    Last week, a two-week-old baby girl was found in a pile of trash in the Chicago suburb Franklin Park- this, despite the fact that Illinois has a “safe haven” law. Nearly every state in America has a “safe haven” law that allows mothers to abandon their children at designated hospitals, fire stations, or police stations and just walk away from their responsibilities as a parent. There are no legal ramifications or accountability for the mother and few, if any, questions asked- most importantly- where is the child’s father?

    In most cases, the father is probably unaware of the child as well as the ultimate fate of his child. With the built-in anonymity that “safe haven” laws afford the mother, there is very little chance that the father will ever be contacted so that he can pursue custody and care for his child and be afforded due process and equal protection under the U.S. Constitution.
    “Safe haven” laws were passed to protect infants that are literally being thrown into dumpsters and garbage cans and left to die.

    However, statistics have shown that even with the “safe haven” laws in place; mothers are still disposing of their infants in this terrible way, as with the baby found Tuesday evening. Each “safe haven” law in each state has its own unique language. Some states give mothers 30 days to abandon their children and others, such as Nebraska, give no age definition of a minor child. A man in Nebraska recently dropped 9 of his 10 children off at a hospital; they ranged from ages 1 to 17- all of them fitting the legal definition of a minor child.

    This rare occurrence of a father abandoning his children under a “safe haven” law only complicates the problems with the law itself. Perhaps the most powerful argument against “safe haven” laws is that they enable children to be thought of as throwaway trash.

    The irony in the “safe haven” laws lies with continued gender bias that surrounds the rights of fathers. When a father chooses to opt out of parenthood and just walk away from his paternal responsibilities, he becomes a “deadbeat dad” or worse, he goes to jail for failing to live up to his financial responsibilities. Yet, when a mother decides that she will not take care of her child, she is given anywhere from 78 hours to 18 years, in some states, to “safely” abandon her child. Unlike a traditional adoption, the father does not have to be notified, does not have to legally relinquish his parental rights, and the child is denied a chance to grow up with dad or members of his biological family.

    A father’s lack of knowledge of the existence of his child or the intentions of the mother to abandon the child is not grounds for termination of a father’s legal rights as a parent. The very nature of the law erodes the importance of the American family and the values we place on it.

    Opponents of the law also argue that the mothers who are disposing of their children in such a manner are clearly in need of psychological counseling, yet, there is no opportunity to provide them with the counseling they are in desperate need of. There is also an aspect of validating to a teenager, or an irresponsible adult, that there are no consequences to their actions. These “safe haven” laws are telling our youth that they can go ahead and have casual, unprotected sex without responsibility. Pregnancy no longer means that you must become a parent, just return the child and move on with your life. Lastly, unlike traditional adoption, children who are abandoned in such a way are denied the right to know their medical history, a consequence that can be life threatening.

    While the “safe haven” laws were born out of good intentions, the problems that they have created outweigh the benefits, especially when mothers continue to abandon their children in dangerous and life threatening ways. Lawmakers and legislators are torn on how to fix the laws so that they protect the child while still affording the father parental rights and safeguards to claim and raise his child. Most states have created punitive father registries to afford fathers notice, however, these registries are pointless if the mother’s identity is not established and the fathers are not provided actual notice. Also, the fact that these registries exist is not known to the public at large.

    Fathers cannot be kicked to the curb while their constitutional rights to due process and equal protection are trampled upon. “Safe haven” laws aren’t working for everyone and need to be reengineered so that they correctly protect children who would otherwise meet certain death, and protect their fathers who have a right to know that their children exist and are about to be abandoned.

    Jeffery M. Leving, Esq.
    Chicago, IL
    Jeffery M. Leving is a nationally renowned attorney and fathers’ rights advocate. He is the author of “Fathers’ Rights” and “Divorce Wars” and the founder of dadsrights.com. Mr. Leving is also the Governor appointed Chairman of the Illinois Council on Responsible Fatherhood.
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    Even a chap with a brilliant mind - like wot I are - cannot fathom the logic of deliberate social destruction, particularly by means of a variety of bizzare means some of which are credible only by their being observed.

    The mind struggles and comes up with rationalisations such as - “the “safe haven” laws were born out of good intentions” - despite one not being able to discern any such good intent nor any good outcome.

    We seek a ‘rational logic’ where there is only a psychosis.

    These ‘laws’ are a travesty born from a distorted mind; one that has lost any semblance of moral compass. Not just one mind - it would be easier on us all were it just one. But many. The minds of so many, particularly in the western nations, the flower of civilisation nations, have been infected with a viral-like illness that is intent on a creative way of destroying life and love and humanity as we know it.

    Thanatos is alive and well and has risen to the fore several times in history driving a number of civilisations to death. It is here again.

    We - in the broad sense - are destroying fatherhood; destroying motherhood. We are destroying Families, that singular Unit upon which all growth and forward civilising development has been based. We are murdering babies. Those that ‘get through, we are throwing them in trash-cans.

    There are those not just ‘excusing’ these horrific activities, but are finding all sorts of bizarre rationalisations and deliberately doing them. They create the means and the ‘reasons’. They are the ones voting in manipulators and the corrupt, thoughtfully and with a clear intent.

    We here are not those people of course. There are some of us though who allow it; those of us who permit our taxes to fund it and reward the mad and the bad. There are the indifferent; the ones who see and say nothing, just get on with the shopping and the working and the tax-paying, the voting in of manipulators and the corrupt without thought. And there are the ‘worriers’. Us, here. We ‘comment; we collate; we educate to unhearing ears. We argue and whine and squabble and shout. And most of us - to be frank - are cowards. We are quite aware that what is needed is a very ‘firm’ response.

    But history tells us that the only response that has any hope of success usually ends in strong resistance and bloodshed. And we fail to address that. We are civilised and will join the queue to the slaughterhouse. Oh, and drop our vote in the ballot box as we shuffle past.

    Or, will we bite the bullet and then….chamber it?
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    Re: Don't throw the baby in the trash-can Dearie. And don't tell the Dad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Percy View Post
    Even a chap with a brilliant mind - like wot I are - cannot fathom the logic of deliberate social destruction, particularly by means of a variety of bizzare means some of which are credible only by their being observed.

    The mind struggles and comes up with rationalisations such as - “the “safe haven” laws were born out of good intentions” - despite one not being able to discern any such good intent nor any good outcome.

    We seek a ‘rational logic’ where there is only a psychosis.

    These ‘laws’ are a travesty born from a distorted mind; one that has lost any semblance of moral compass. Not just one mind - it would be easier on us all were it just one. But many. The minds of so many, particularly in the western nations, the flower of civilisation nations, have been infected with a viral-like illness that is intent on a creative way of destroying life and love and humanity as we know it.

    Thanatos is alive and well and has risen to the fore several times in history driving a number of civilisations to death. It is here again.

    We - in the broad sense - are destroying fatherhood; destroying motherhood. We are destroying Families, that singular Unit upon which all growth and forward civilising development has been based. We are murdering babies. Those that ‘get through, we are throwing them in trash-cans.

    There are those not just ‘excusing’ these horrific activities, but are finding all sorts of bizarre rationalisations and deliberately doing them. They create the means and the ‘reasons’. They are the ones voting in manipulators and the corrupt, thoughtfully and with a clear intent.

    We here are not those people of course. There are some of us though who allow it; those of us who permit our taxes to fund it and reward the mad and the bad. There are the indifferent; the ones who see and say nothing, just get on with the shopping and the working and the tax-paying, the voting in of manipulators and the corrupt without thought. And there are the ‘worriers’. Us, here. We ‘comment; we collate; we educate to unhearing ears. We argue and whine and squabble and shout. And most of us - to be frank - are cowards. We are quite aware that what is needed is a very ‘firm’ response.

    But history tells us that the only response that has any hope of success usually ends in strong resistance and bloodshed. And we fail to address that. We are civilised and will join the queue to the slaughterhouse. Oh, and drop our vote in the ballot box as we shuffle past.

    Or, will we bite the bullet and then….chamber it?
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    Re: Don't throw the baby in the trash-can Dearie. And don't tell the Dad.

    Yep!

    Women already have the best birth control virtually allowing them complete control over conception. They already have all the reproductive rights and can CHOOSE to become a parent. Yet, they still can't keep from killing the babies.

    What does society do?

    We create laws to prevent women from having to be parents even after they chose to have the child by letting them abandon their children with no consequences AND STILL THEY CAN'T STOP KILLING THE BABIES!

    All the rights and choices, none of the responsibility...

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