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21st-June-2012 #1
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Women leaders in largest grassroots conservative Tea Party organization
This is a fight that I am constantly having to keep my radar on for. I am part of the higher up leadership within the largest grassroots conservative organization in the U.S. We are very, very, very politically active. In fact I leave for D.C. day after tomorrow for a leadership conference in advance of the SCOTUS ruling on Obamacare.
Anyway, a large percentage of our national and state leadership are comprised of women. It is a pleasure to work with them and they are hard working and very politically 'Savvey'. They are very fair across the board in the actions.
However, sometimes there are things that happen that show a leaning towards favoring women over men.
When we had our huge Summit in Phoenix back in February 2011, I noticed a month later a letter that was posted on our main website from a woman who expressed how much she enjoyed the Summit. (She was right, it was a sight to see and be proud of) BUT on the last line, it said "And the Women outnumbered the men 2 to 1".
Now as a member of the organization I was very proud, but when I read the last line I was shocked, then pissed. Then my outraged turned to concern. First, this lady was wrong about her calculations. The other is the main point about my coming here and writing this.
When this letter was posted on the main website, not one of the female leadership realized that it was wrong, and almost everyone of them had a hard time understanding what was wrong in it.
Since then there have been other examples. I had noticed earlier that when we men chose replacements, we would choose a woman out of fairness. Because the previous officer was a male. But when it came to choose a replacement that was previously held by a female, not one female in authority chose a male replacement. The scary point is that they just didn't see it. (At least they appear not to have seen the bias).
This is reverse discrimination in my opinion and I have been vocal and also able to keep reverse some of the unintentional bias that has bubbled up.
This is a constant struggle, requiring a constant vigil. There are several other men on my level of leadership, and I hope they too are aware that it appears that these female leaders are not quite aware of the bias.
The double standard shoes are on the other feet now. They are the ones that have to; need to be careful. It's time for the women to understand what power actually is and how it should be shared. What I have seen so far is, that most women when given the power they have fought so hard for, do not know how to share it equally. They must be determined to. So they do not lose it. It is fragile and they can easily get a bad reputation. *****If they are not careful in keeping this a gender equal conservative organization, it will end up at the same level as all the other women's political organizaton's and lose their current level of political influence and power that they retain now. (They hadn't thought of that either until I brought it up.)
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Re: Women leaders in largest grassroots conservative Tea Party organization
Serious indeed. It's good of you to keep us informed. Keep up the good work.
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22nd-June-2012 #3
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you appear to be a feminist man - perhaps this is why they walk all over you...
grassroots? conservative? politically active? c'mon man, don't be a pawn.I am part of the higher up leadership within the largest grassroots conservative organization in the U.S. We are very, very, very politically active.
why's that?It is a pleasure to work with them
actions thought to be par for the course when applied to men, yet you believe it to be something exceptional in the case of women. why?they are hard working and very politically 'Savvey'. They are very fair across the board in the actions.
sorry, i'm not understanding.. where's the fairness? looks decidedly unfair to me.I had noticed earlier that when we men chose replacements, we would choose a woman out of fairness.
indeed. this is the nature of woman.But when it came to choose a replacement that was previously held by a female, not one female in authority chose a male replacement.
nah. they see it alright.The scary point is that they just didn't see it.
nope. just plain old discrimination.This is reverse discrimination in my opinion
unintentional? if you're referring to a female benefiting bias then no, it's not 'unintentional'I have been vocal and also able to keep reverse some of the unintentional bias that has bubbled up.
i got real struggles pal. you decided to play the game of your own volition. you play with fire; you get burnt. simpleThis is a constant struggle, requiring a constant vigil.
they sound like your garden variety enablers to me. much like yourself..There are several other men on my level of leadership, and I hope they too are aware that it appears that these female leaders are not quite aware of the bias.
it was never on the other foot to begin with.The double standard shoes are on the other feet now.
what ye goin to do, spank them?They are the ones that have to; need to be careful.
women aren't retards, they know what power is.It's time for the women to understand what power actually is
'fought so hard for'? too much hollywood for youWhat I have seen so far is, that most women when given the power they have fought so hard for, do not know how to share it equally.
good for you. you sound like a shrewd operatorIf they are not careful in keeping this a gender equal conservative organization, it will end up at the same level as all the other women's political organizaton's and lose their current level of political influence and power that they retain now. (They hadn't thought of that either until I brought it up.)
have a nice day.Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace on earth: I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. - Matthew 10:34
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Good breakdown scullion.
And to answer one of your questions, we could spank them...
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2nd-September-2012 #5
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Look,
I am taking the fight against the liberal commie Obama, and doing it with the most successful organization that is changing the face of politics. And I am a recognized leader among leadership. Higher Leadership. Women walk all over me. That was never mentioned. What was mentioned in my above thread was that our operations does not address social issues like womens rights or mens rights. WE do not address social issues. I only pointed out that they failed to recognize a bias for women and against men.
It is apparent you all are a little too interested in not recognizing the obvious. I never said that they went out of their way to take a position against men.
Did any of you so called politically inclined gentlemen catch the problem in the GOP Convention this week?
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sadly the US Republicans and and the Democrats are heads of the same hydra much the same as the Nazis and the Bolsheviks gone by ie
the ethos behind both is collectivist which basically means that the heads see the rank and file much as the queen of a termite nest sees the workers - each subsumes to the whole nest ; a bit like the Borg in Star Trek who think with the same brain as automatons
the US is and indentured state to off of the planet clandestine rich - you will never see their faces specifically commenting on what they are doing ie
act as puppet master for the ostensible overt leader whether it be Obama or Romney who speak from a day script
certainly the agenda of the back rooms set is clear ie one world government and we doing what we are told and loving it from years of brainwashing !
the Tea party would be co opted to the collectivist domain were it seen to be too radical or threatening the new age order you have seen what happens to US presidents when they step out of line and currently youse have a team headed by the chattering Obama fully endorsed by Oprah and the feminit Secretary of State Hillery and her world as a global village no doubt with the likes of her motley crew as the titular chiefs - if there is a God Please save us
were the Tea Party to succeed it would somehow have to abolish fractional reserve lending and adopt an internal currency for exchange much like the Chinese Renminbi thereby defying the behind the scenes celestial bankers who are currently driving the USA as a phenomenal debtor ! is it 15 trillions right now
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2nd-September-2012 #7
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What the Tea Party has to do is throw away the Paulites style of using the Federal Reserve atrocities as the basis of crossing over into the realms of Fiscal Responsibility. The issue is our governments out of control spending and not the Federal Reserve.
The above criticism of my original threads strayed way off course of what was written. Let's keep the facts to how it relates to that thread.
It has to do more with, recognizing that bias and being able to use both sides of the gender fence to stand up for us, as others did for the womens rights movement. We must make the women understand their mistakes and if they think they have the right to punish men. It is the same as the left believing they have the right to punish the USA.
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With any political movement, women will somehow get into positions of power. I have no problem with that at all, but the hidden danger is that they bring subtle anti-male bias as identified by you on the website with the 2:1 ratio falsehood. You need to damn careful the movement does not morph into a conservative women's party. Feminists are extremely good at political subterfuge and inserting their doctrine into fledgling political movements, both conservative, liberal, and centrist.
We can take lessons from how the feminists infiltrate movements and government and use it to our benefit.
Obama's Chicago thug style liberal entitlement politics will come back to haunt him sooner or later.
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Funny.. according to the lame stream media, there are virtually no women in the tea party. Oh, and no blacks either for that matter...
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2nd-September-2012 #10
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You cannot get blood from a stone, and you shouldn't expect women to be fair. It's not in their nature. For one thing, they have been convinced and have convinced themselves that they live in a patriarchy. Now anyone, regardless of gender, race, religion, etc. who feels that she is part of a weak group and somehow manages to get into a position of power is bound to do as much as possible to help HER group. She is not going to worry about being fair. She is going to help her group every chance she gets. Is that the right thing to do? No. But that is what happens.
Now, regarding the men in your group, they also have been convinced and have convinced themselves that they live a patriarchy. So, they have a sense of guilt and feel obligated to "be fair." Now any group demanding "fairness" or "equality" that manages to get another group to acquiesce is going to drive that submissive group into the ground while simultaneously demanding fairness. So, what you are expecting the TP women to do is never going to happen. Stop being "fair" to the women in that movement if you want them to stop mistreating men. If you continue to treat them the way you men have been treating them, they will continue to treat you the way they have been treating you. That's a given.
Now, regarding what Shaazam had to say, if people really want to make a difference in the world, they need to understand how it works. To put it succinctly, I see it as an elite-controlled matriarchy. For those loath to accept the idea that the world is run by conspiracies, take a look at this if you will:
n+1: The Foundation StatesmenLast edited by Dylan MacVillain; 2nd-September-2012 at 03:50 PM.
"Rights for women and responsibilities for men is really license for women, slavery for men, and liberty for neither. " Dylan MacVillain
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Excellent post, Mr. McV.
Probably the most toxic threat from feminism right now in this country is from the far right. The model there is that men should be running everything, but just aren't "stepping up" and so the women just have no choice but to take over. It is a self-perpetuating theme, one that is re-generated in every household run by aggressive, mouthy, angry women who treat men and even their own sons as if they were born with a handicap and require special training to be the equals of their uterus-bearing, long-suffering selves. There is not a shred of liberal groupthink behind this template, it is fed and watered in front of the schools at the end of the day, at the hair salons, in the grocery aisles, on social media, etc: 'those poor, defective, underachieving men who just aren't up to what we can do, we have to either shove them forward or replace them...'
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