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Questions HAVE to be asked.

This is a discussion on Questions HAVE to be asked. within the Discrimination & Sexist Double Standards anti misandry forums, part of the Why We're Here category; Years and years of MRAs collecting news stories and we still do not 'combine' to ask the questions that MUST ...

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    Questions HAVE to be asked.


    Years and years of MRAs collecting news stories and we still do not 'combine' to ask the questions that MUST be asked before this feminist scourge can be tackled.

    The general public out there is told half-stories by the news media. That media avoids asking the tough questions which journalists ought to ask. The journalists are 'restrained' in making the comments in articles, that can only come as answers to the tough questions that their newspapers' policy deters them from asking. And we do nothing.

    WE know what the journalists ought to be asking.

    Do we launch assaults on the Editors to let them know what we want?

    Rarely.

    Let's look at an example:

    [QUOTE]

    Mother lets rip after verdict

    ZARA DAWTREY | May 29, 2012 12.01am

    THE mother of a Warrane man paralysed in a car crash last year walked out of court yesterday after telling the drunk driver responsible that it should have been her.

    Ricky Wright, 31, was left a paraplegic when Tania Lee Self, 40, lost control of her Kia on the East Derwent Highway at Otago Bay on July 19.

    Mr Wright, her neighbour, was the passenger.

    The Hobart Magistrates Court yesterday heard Self had no recollection of the crash and could not explain why she was even driving.

    She had consumed one and a half bottles of red wine before getting behind the wheel and recorded a blood alcohol reading of .226 after the crash. (P. 0.05 is the limit)

    She also tested positive for the drug Diazepam.

    An off-duty police officer witnessed the accident in which the car skidded on the gravel verge then become airborne.
    Self was relatively uninjured and after getting out of the car, told the police officer there were no passengers.

    Emergency services personnel later found Mr Wright lying on the ground some distance from the car. He had been thrown from the vehicle and his spinal chord severed.

    After hearing that evidence, Mr Wright's mother Lynette Nichols left the courtroom.

    "Shame it wasn't you," she called out to Self. "You're wrecking people's families."

    The court heard it was the anniversary of Self's partner's death from a drug overdose the day of the crash and she was battling alcoholism, an eating disorder and depression.

    Her licence had expired in April that year and she had forgotten to renew it.

    Lawyer Amber Mignot said the mother-of-three had been suicidal before and after the accident and the consequences weighed heavily on her.

    Magistrate Chris Webster said her culpability was"extremely high". He sentenced her to nine months' jail for causing grievous bodily harm by negligent driving and exceeding the alcohol limit, but suspended six months on the condition she be of good behaviour for three years upon release.

    She was also banned from driving for three years.

    http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2012/05/29/332421_tasmania-news.html
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    It is astonishing that the newspaper even reported the 'Mother's 'words, but in the emotional heat of the moment we cannot expect her to ask the right questions nor offer the sort of comments that are needed. But the Journalist here, Zara Dawtry, who is probably (possibly) a work-experience 25- going - on -14 year old, SHOULD and could have made some pertinent comments following proper questioning and news gathering.

    Why was this woman given a suspended sentence? Two thirds of her prison time was 'suspended'. Why? Why didn't the reporter ask the Judge? Why didn't she take a look at who gets suspended sentences and tell us? Why didn't she ask a bloody obvious question - why have a friggin' sentence at all if you are going to suspend the fucking thing??

    Why was her licence simply suspended for three years after she had been driving, unlicenced, under the influence (at a level four times the limit), instead of her being forbidden to drive or even own a car again for the next 20 years, because she doesn't seem to give a shit about licences at all. Where is the reporter's questions about the laxity of the Court, The CULPABLE laxity.

    Why was the woman not told to pay the man's medical expenses and living costs for the rest of his life? ALL of it. Until he is 'cured'. SHE caused his paralysis. SHE should pay. Not a thing about this was even mentioned. THAT should be the MAJOR part of such a Court determination. Courts are after all supposed to be the societal representative of aggrieved parties.

    Why did the reporter not raise the one major issue that everyone would like an answer to? That of the cost to the taxpayer for the trial, the prison and later 'good behaviour' monitoring? No doubt the taxpayer is paying for the man's medical needs now, instead of her. HOW MUCH DID THIS FRIGGIN' FIASCO COST US.

    Why did the newspaper not add a small paragraph showing the last 20 such 'traffic' incidents of such moment and compare the female and male sentencing?

    None of the above.

    What we got instead was the usual lazy tripe about being depressed. Not a whiff of criticism of this woman who is clearly an alcoholic basket case, excusing her behaviour with 'eating disorder'. Not a whiff of a question of releasing this woman onto her three kids. Not even a small comment about the poor little doomed buggers having to live with this disaster of a mother.
    Last edited by Percy; 29th-May-2012 at 11:30 AM.

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    Re: Questions HAVE to be asked.

    In this news report, the woman had stole her boyfriend's car, crashed it while drunk, physically attacked the police who came to arrest her, and she received a suspended sentence.

    Here's you answer - the female news reporter describes as "hearbroken".

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    Re: Questions HAVE to be asked.

    Maybe its all part of a great master plan to prove that women truly ARE completely unfit to be allowed to do whatever they feel like whenever it comes to their head to do whatever.. (which is what women do very much it seems..)

    Then, the state can clamp down on womens freedoms in the same way as it has done successfully to mens..

    Total control will be assumed..

    Baaaa!
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    Re: Questions HAVE to be asked.

    Quote Quote from Percy View Post
    why have a friggin' sentence at all if you are going to suspend the fucking thing??
    It's the suspended sentence that puts the teeth in the good behaviour bond. You have the rest of that sentence hanging over you for the rest of the (in this case) three years. It means that it isn't just 9 months in prison and then that's over and done with. The purpose of the good behaviour bond and suspended sentence is to filter out the decent, generally law-abiding people who have made a horrible one-off mistake from people who just can't obey the law for longer than two monts at a time. It's a test of character: how do you behave when there aren't screws looking over your shoulder every minute of the day? Can you keep it up for three years?

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    Why was her licence simply suspended for three years after she had been driving, unlicenced, under the influence (at a level four times the limit)
    Because that's the standard of sentencing. The goal of a suspension of license is that it break bad habits. Realistically, of course, this stupid woman will break the terms of her bond, and everybody knows it. But you don;'t throw people in prison for what you are pretty sure they will do.

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    Why was the woman not told to pay the man's medical expenses and living costs for the rest of his life? ALL of it. Until he is 'cured'.
    Because that would mean that if you are injured in an accident, you better hope it was someone with money. Hobart is in Australia, dude. Everyone gets medical care on the taxpayer.

    They do have your system in some countries. In those countries, if a taxi hits someone the driver will drive that person around until they die, rather than be liable for the costs of their medical care. You'd like to live in one of those? You just haven't thought through consequences at all, haven't you? All you have is thoughtless outrage.

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    Courts are after all supposed to be the societal representative of aggrieved parties.
    No, that is exactly wrong. The prosecution in a criminal case represents The Crown, not the aggrieved party. In civilised societies, courts do not "do" vengeance. Sentences are about risk of reoffending, general dterrence, and the public good.

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    Why did the reporter not raise the one major issue that everyone would like an answer to? That of the cost to the taxpayer for the trial, the prison and later 'good behaviour' monitoring?
    Sure, it would be cheaper to … what, exactly? What alternative are you proposing? Throw everyone in prison for life? Not have trials at all? "If they hang 'em all, they get the guilty. But remember - they'll have to hang you too."

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    No doubt the taxpayer is paying for the man's medical needs now, instead of her. HOW MUCH DID THIS FRIGGIN' FIASCO COST US.
    As I mentioned, yes, of course. This is the case in almost every developed nation.

    Quote Quote from Percy View Post
    Not a whiff of criticism of this woman who is clearly an alcoholic basket case, excusing her behaviour with 'eating disorder'. Not a whiff of a question of releasing this woman onto her three kids. Not even a small comment about the poor little doomed buggers having to live with this disaster of a mother.
    Being an alcoholic basket case is not a crime. You don't send people to prison for it. And what a joke, you banging on about taxpayer expense and how m,uch the justice system costs, and then suggesting that the kids be taken from their mother and well, what? Put through the foster care system? Or didn't you think that far ahead?

    Remember - the papers only get the defence at the trial. Because of the broken and silly way our courts work, the prosecution gets a free hand up until a judge hears all the evidence, which is something you have not done.

    Sorry, Percy, but I have a bit of a stake here. I know that the papers just don't get the facts right, I know that people banging on who haven't heard everything just don't have a clue. Know it for a fact. Forgive me if I'm a little short with you over this.
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    Re: Questions HAVE to be asked.

    Mr Wombat, I don't mind people being a little short with me. I am short myself.

    But the arguments you put forward are specious.

    It's the suspended sentence that puts the teeth in the good behaviour bond.
    But it doesn't work. Where is your proof that it makes any difference at all. People constantly get suspended sentences, break the rules, and get another one.

    Because that's the standard of sentencing.
    And that is what needs questioning. It is an "we've always done it this way" arguement.

    Because that would mean that if you are injured in an accident, you better hope it was someone with money. Hobart is in Australia, dude. Everyone gets medical care on the taxpayer
    Yes. Why should the taxpayer pick up the tab in anything but the cases where 'causing' miscreants can pay instead, or pay the taxpayer back? For example, the Ambulance service is 'taxpayer paid' here, and my next door neighbour has used an ambulance at least eight times in the past year. He, like that small minority in society, are wasteful users and abusers of the taxpayer. He is pissed most of the time and could get a taxi for his modest self-inflicted injuries.

    The prosecution in a criminal case represents The Crown, not the aggrieved party. In civilised societies, courts do not "do" vengeance.
    And this must not be questioned?? In our Courts where the search for Truth has virtually entirely disappeared? Where the Judge judges which lawyer has lied the best? It is high time that someone started questioning the basis of mis-representation such as that. The victim of an accident of that nature has an aggriement issue that the 'Crown' is not representing.

    You bring in 'vengance'. This is not relevant nor sought. Recompense should be.

    As I mentioned, yes, of course. This is the case in almost every developed nation.
    So are family courts that hold men guilty of almost every issue. So what that it happens everywhere? Another non-arguement.

    Remember - the papers only get the defence at the trial
    Another matter to question, not simply accept.

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    Love the Sinner but not the Sin.
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    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
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    (and within ourselves)
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    If you meet one on the road as you Go your Own Way,
    offer kindness but keep your sword drawn.
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    Re: Questions HAVE to be asked.

    I would appreciate you, Mr Wombat, having a look at the way this, below, is reported.

    What sort of questions do you think need to be raised?

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    Mother who hit twins with electrical cord
    allowed to continue working in childcare

    May 30, 20122:28PM

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/mother-who-hit-twins-with-electrical-cord-allowed-to-continue-working-in-childcare/story-e6frg6nf-1226374495105

    A MOTHER who used an electrical cord to hit her eight-year-old twins when they refused to do the dishes has been given permission to continue working in the childcare industry.

    In a written judgment published on Wednesday, theQueensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal returned a blue card - which allows people to work with children - to the woman.

    The woman, who cannot be identified, was originally issued with a blue card - which allows people to work with children - in 2009.

    However, it was revoked in 2010 after she hit her twins with the cord.

    The children received bruising and the woman pleaded guilty to assault occasioning bodily harm.

    The twins were subsequently returned to her care.

    The woman applied to the Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal last year seeking the return of her blue card on the basis she was regretful, had never again used violence towards her twins, and was not a threat to other children.

    During a hearing in March, the tribunal also considered a subsequent incident where the woman locked one of the girls out of her home in a distressed state for a short period of time.

    The tribunal found the woman had minimised the consequences of her behaviour in both incidents, but also found she was unlikely to again smack her children.
    AAP
    [/QUOTE]

    Cum dilectione hominum et odio vitiorum
    Love the Sinner but not the Sin.
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    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
    against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. “
    (and within ourselves)
    (Ephesians 6:12 (KJV)

    A Feminist is a human being who has lost her way and turned vicious.
    If you meet one on the road as you Go your Own Way,
    offer kindness but keep your sword drawn.
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    Re: Questions HAVE to be asked.

    The court heard it was the anniversary of Self's partner's death from a drug overdose the day of the crash and she was battling alcoholism, an eating disorder and depression.

    Her licence had expired in April that year and she had forgotten to renew it.

    Lawyer Amber Mignot said the mother-of-three had been suicidal before and after the accident and the consequences weighed heavily on her.
    Don't any of you misogynists see, she's a victim, I tell you, A VICTIM!!!

    The woman applied to the Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal last year seeking the return of her blue card on the basis she was regretful, had never again used violence towards her twins, and was not a threat to other children.
    Again, she was regretful so that makes it all fine.

    So long as the one woman is a victim and the other one writes that she has regret, there is nothing wrong... Damn these poor, poor women.. If only men weren't so oppressive these things would never happen.

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    Re: Questions HAVE to be asked.

    @Andy Man: That piece of jouranlism is simply awful and shockingly sexist, as is the sentence.

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    Re: Questions HAVE to be asked.

    Percy makes some great points about the need for us to complain more and do so as in an organised way in numbers.

    In particular it's worth complaining to any press regulators or compalining abour organisations who supposedly have a duty to be impartial (such as the BBC)
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