if only young men could coldly see wimyn as wimyn see men - wimyn's criterion is almost 100 % utility and exploitability of her mark and then she will perform her five star acadamy in love performance for him and "him" will probably buy it;

the truth of this is obvious in the nations of sincere and credulous men marched through her star chamber she coyly refer to as the Family Court being neither one nor for the Family

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if only young men could coldly see wimyn as wimyn see men.

I think you spoke too soon about the young men coldly seeing women as women see men. They're out there and I don't think they know what restraint is!

This is largely in the hands of women, not men. When we talk of 'society's' demands on men, it is WOMEN'S demands we are talking about. They are the majority in society.

I was talking to a childcare elder woman who told me about one young boy who likes to wear pink and girl's clothes. She said they have to teach him how to act like a boy in preparation for school.

I said it was a double standard and that society is fine with girls wearing boys clothing and acting like boys and yet we don't accept it the other way around. My words sparked conversation amongst a few women and I got a lecture on reality for boys and society expectations by their peers.

It reminded me of a group of Pacific Island boys I watched swimming at a lake recently. One boy screamed when he jumped in the water. His cousins verbally attacked him telling him he could not do that because he is a boy.

I think we need to seriously look at what is going on for boys and men when it comes to society's expectations. I agree women do need to expect less from men and accept them more as who they want to be while at the same time men need to expect less from women and accept women more as who they want to be.

I think we as a human race are working on this and I think many women are hearing men's words saying they have power to do something about it and I think they are trying. (those who are in the know that there is a problem and why)

NIIICE post.

I see gender hermophradism is still the main aim of some folk in the bowel movement..

Men do manly stuff and women do womanly stuff..

Those folk who are still waiting for wimmin to suddenly start conceding their advantages will be still waiting when the cows come home..

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Another important question from Pelle Billing. Can we have it both ways?

Pelle looks to a 'post-feminist' future where recognition of one anothers strengths and wishes becomes a reality.

But, personally, I am not so optomistic. There are one or two ommisions in his arguement (but as I am persona non grata with MND's psychopath editor I cannot comment there)



Many men, it is true, LIKE the struggle of pitting themselves against nature and other men. They like to take on the tough jobs. But women so far have resisted every attempt to encourage them to take on the same dangerous and dirty work.

It is all well and good looking to a time when people can do what they 'want' to do - like being the homebody - but while men are EXPECTED by society to do the dirty dangerous work AND support the stay-at-home mum, there will not be an option for men. Men's 'wants' are not considered. The EXPECTATIONS upon them are enforced, directly and indirectly, covertly and in plain sight.

This is largely in the hands of women, not men. When we talk of 'society's' demands on men, it is WOMEN'S demands we are talking about. They are the majority in society.

The ploy women use is to say that men control everything. This is clearly a lie. It is false. It is the opposite of what reality shows us. But it absolves them from taking any part in finding real equality and simply keep on demanding privilege.

Men are discovering slowly that the con has gone too far. While men may want to do dangerous and dirty work - in the mines, out in the fishing fleets, hoisting cable, building and maintaning the world we have - many are asking 'what for'? Their labour and desires are expolited and the rewards of their efforts are expropriated. They are increasingly 'slowing down', dropping out, saying 'bugger off'.

Women have their complaints about men. Men fart in bed. Feminism has convinced women to shit in the bed. The effect is very different. Men are not going to wash the sheets for them.

There will be NO post-feminist time until women wash the sheets and take responsibility for the shit.

Well said Bro but we all know the likeyhood of that hapening are in the negative vaules, I hope more men and boys start giving women and girls the cold shoulder, then and maybe then women and girl will take a step back and ask them what is worng with the sittuation and realize that it's their fault that men and boys are distancing themselves from them.
But I won't hold my breath on that

"Wanting the best of both worlds", is a problem with MRA's I have noted..

They want to get some of their "old power" back, but dont want..

a) the responsibility that comes with it..

b) to look like they believe in the suggestion that men are better suited to managing the power in the main..

c) to lose their ability to get a variety of pussy when required..

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"Wanting the best of both worlds", is a problem with MRA's I have noted..

They want to get some of their "old power" back, but dont want..

a) the responsibility that comes with it..

b) to look like they believe in the suggestion that men are better suited to managing the power in the main..

c) to lose their ability to get a variety of pussy when required..

I have no problem with wanting the best of both worlds, hell I'm not scoring any pussy now so I have live with it and as for men being more suitable when it come to power you have to admit that since women were given power the world has become a major shithole in the western nations.

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I have no problem with wanting the best of both worlds, hell I'm not scoring any pussy now so I have live with it and as for men being more suitable when it come to power you have to admit that since women were given power the world has become a major shithole in the western nations.

The key to it all is restoring men to thier positions as heads of family..

I agree completely with haahoo here. I made a thread soon after I arrived here called Which Equality do you Want where I asked which way we try to push things, to the full gender equality that feminists claim to strive for (but obviously only when it is to their advantage) or to a restoration of the old gender roles. I said that I thought the latter was the better option.

For starters it is actually impossible to free men from their responsibilities. It was possible to allow women to run amok and only suffer the dire consequences down the line, but if men were to throw off all their responsibilities in the manner women have done civilization would collapse immediately. Why havent men been freed from their obligation to do all the grunt work? Because if that work doesn't get done everyone dies. It's easy to do without properly civilized and adjusted children, for a while anyway, that one won't come to bite you in the ass for a good couple of decades. It isnt quite so easy to without energy, or food.

Even were this not the case though, identical gender roles are a doomed concept for the simple reason that it is impossible to eliminate the attraction that exists between masculine men and feminine women. Each sex has it's image of how the opposite sex should be and appretiates members of the opposite sex primarily for their resemblance to this ideal. Basically, no one wants it, I mean no one. Not us, not the feminists. Feminism was never about gender equality, that was just a ruse, there is absolutely no substance behind that concept, no one wants it and it would be horrible. Why take up the fake cause of feminism as our own? Even our opponents aren't stupid enough to believe in it.

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I agree completely with haahoo here. I made a thread soon after I arrived here called Which Equality do you Want where I asked which way we try to push things, to the full gender equality that feminists claim to strive for (but obviously only when it is to their advantage) or to a restoration of the old gender roles. I said that I thought the latter was the better option.

For starters it is actually impossible to free men from their responsibilities. It was possible to allow women to run amok and only suffer the dire consequences down the line, but if men were to throw off all their responsibilities in the manner women have done civilization would collapse immediately. Why havent men been freed from their obligation to do all the grunt work? Because if that work doesn't get done everyone dies. It's easy to do without properly civilized and adjusted children, for a while anyway, that one won't come to bite you in the ass for a good couple of decades. It isnt quite so easy to without energy, or food.

Even were this not the case though, identical gender roles are a doomed concept for the simple reason that it is impossible to eliminate the attraction that exists between masculine men and feminine women. Each sex has it's image of how the opposite sex should be and appretiates members of the opposite sex primarily for their resemblance to this ideal. Basically, no one wants it, I mean no one. Not us, not the feminists. Feminism was never about gender equality, that was just a ruse, there is absolutely no substance behind that concept, no one wants it and it would be horrible. Why take up the fake cause of feminism as our own? Even our opponents aren't stupid enough to believe in it.

well explained..

The equalists will always be, mediocre in their "achievements".. The state is the overhead that is used to continue the forever failing attempt to create some sort of gender hermophradism that is not feasible, well, not as long as we do not have the sort of workforce as created in the "I Robot" movie..

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well explained..
The equalists will always be, mediocre in their "achievements".. The state is the overhead that is used to continue the forever failing attempt to create some sort of gender hermophradism that is not feasible, well, not as long as we do not have the sort of workforce as created in the "I Robot" movie..

I think the progress of medicine and equality are 2 main things that came from Hitler's reign in WWII. The medicine because he allowed tests on non Germans that we as societies would never allow on humans without a lot of research and testing in other ways and equality because we saw the effects of having one group superior to another and societies will never allow that again.

Recently a nurse told me that equal rights for women had done wonders for women in work. Not only did it mean the same money for the same job but she explained to me that at university women had 3 choices when she was there. Nursing, teaching and secretarial work. You can see the effect of equalists when you consider how many women are now in business, politics, medicine, Psychology, Psychiatry and much more. That's not mediocre progress for 40 odd years.

Race relations have been a lot better and equality for the sexes has improved because of equalists. I am still to find an old women who says life was better in her day compared to today for women.

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There is still alot of room for more progress IMO and I think if you can get rid of the radicals by holding each culture and gender accountable, the moderates will explain things much better allowing for even less resistance.

I also think men marrying foreign women is a positive for equality. It breaks down the cultural walls for children. I still see alot of men and women concerned about who their parents will accept as husbands and wives but it is nowhere as bad as it once was.

I will never forget seeing the anger shown on American TV when parents were faced with their children bringing home a white person into a black family and vice versa.

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"Wanting the best of both worlds", is a problem with MRA's I have noted..

They want to get some of their "old power" back, but dont want..

a) the responsibility that comes with it..

b) to look like they believe in the suggestion that men are better suited to managing the power in the main..

c) to lose their ability to get a variety of pussy when required..

Our power never left us!

A person who has morals and a firm grip of right and wrong is better suited for managing the power of the main. The power should never be given to feeble specimens who can't see pass their naked greed.

You're wrong!
We still have the power to get our duds milked whenever we're good and damn ready!

Jools, Jools, Jools, what are we to do with you.

but she explained to me that at university women had 3 choices when she was there. Nursing, teaching and secretarial work. Jools

And just when did she attend University? Being as women were studying Law at University in 1903 and a woman was the Chief Judge of the Seattle Supreme Court in 1909, this friend of yours must be very, very old.

when you consider how many women are now in business, politics, medicine, Psychology, Psychiatry and much more. That's not mediocre progress for 40 odd years.

It is no measure of progress over 40 years at all (that is, back to the long distant days of 1969), considering that all of those professions had women members back in the 1930's and earlier.

Go back and tell your nurse to see an optometrist (they had women in that profession too in the 1930's) to test her for one-eyeness.

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Jools, Jools, Jools, what are we to do with you.

And just when did she attend University? Being as women were studying Law at University in 1903 and a woman was the Chief Judge of the Seattle Supreme Court in 1909, this friend of yours must be very, very old.

It is no measure of progress over 40 years at all (that is, back to the long distant days of 1969), considering that all of those professions had women members back in the 1930's and earlier.

Go back and tell your nurse to see an optometrist (they had women in that profession too in the 1930's) to test her for one-eyeness.

Hi Percy,

What I am saying is real but don't forget this is about New Zealand.

Another thing; White women in NZ were the first to vote in the world, one election after the men received voting rights. Unless of course the white woman owned land, then she could vote even earlier.

But get this; Maori women weren't allowed to vote until the 1960's and they weren't allowed until then to work in the post office or a bank. I haven't yet learnt when Maori men got to vote.

I am just saying the equalists are not mediocre. I still think men's rights is a good idea and I still think feminism, I mean I know first hand feminism is about women superiority. Women are no better than Hitler himself.