Sounds like a lot of good work going on in NZ, Julie. Glad you're keeping us informed.

I've enjoyed reading about your campaigns in the past.

Ever the pragmatic fox, Jools, who knows how to dig under the fence. Good for you and more power to your elbows. You have my admiration for the digging you do. You are not one to lean on the shovel.

This 800,000 immigrants sound a bit suss though. Can you give chapter and verse on that. What is the source and the details.

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Ever the pragmatic fox, Jools, who knows how to dig under the fence. Good for you and more power to your elbows. You have my admiration for the digging you do. You are not one to lean on the shovel.

This 800,000 immigrants sound a bit suss though. Can you give chapter and verse on that. What is the source and the details.

Hi Percy, thanx for asking me this. I was with a group of people discussing this yesterday. They had mentioned 800,000 people. But now that I have researched it myself, it is 18,000 people will be given 3 year working permits.

The discussion was around the Maori fight against the Government.

Whether somehow this has been added up as 18,000 families I have not been able to tell. Or whether it sounds similar and has changed through chinese whispers.

The opposition has said that there is not enough gained for NZ in this.

Radio interview
http://tinyurl.com/4wjquy

Government site
http://www.mfat.govt.nz/News/index.php

This has been another lesson. Always check the facts on every thing you hear. Hearsay is not a good thing to publish.

The rest of the article is from my own eyes and speaking to others myself.

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True that is why I have remained silent about all the juicy gossip I heard about you Jules.

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Oh no. I can just imagine it.

I hope there is no blackmail coming my way. Just want to say up front,

It wasn't me. I didn't do it.

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Condemning feminist at this stage would be one of those moves to shut you down. It has been a brick wall for men for decades. (I am not a lion. I am a fox)

Better to ignore feminism, as anyone who is practically minded, it is like a agent provocator..

Men's rights and men's groups are strong regarding child support and Family Court issues and Father's rights. Father's issues are very important and there is strong support throughout the country.

Are they? Then no doubt they reccomend NO state dictated child support and the complete scrapping of the family courts.. As for mens rights? ffs.. rights for what? Rights to grovel? The rights based culture is impossible to uphold and a lawyers job creation scheme..

Being popular with the state and feminists is not my idea of "strength"..

Teenage issues are very important to NZ also and there are statist approaches to solve this problem and there are community approaches to solve this problem. I want to make this very, very clear that I absolutely 100% oppose statist solving. It is bureaucracy and very harmful for our youth. The Government system in NZ does not work for the benefit of the youth. It has proven that over and over again.

The catch is that people who step forward to help in the community need resources. That is a reality that cannot be ignored. So, they look from the outside that they are following a statist approach yet they are people who have come in to help and they bring their own expertise of doing life. Most groups that care for men and for youth cannot take a side in this gender war. It is not in the best interest for their purpose.

Are you basically saying that the state is funding volunteer groups, who speak the right way?

So, they are getting "control on the cheap"..

I wonder what is better, the unpaid control freaky volunteer or the idle-arsed state sector parasite just turning up for the money..

Personally, I like the idea that families and communities look after their own from the own resources.. and the state can help that by not taking so much tax off them!!

What about the women who care about men in the prisons on false rape charges? What rights can they bring? None. They can only fight back the system.

No offence, no false allegations..

The laws on rape are what enables this travesty..

Most "rapists" plead innocence.. Most accusers are.. Well.. I wont go into what I think of the Yo-Yo knickered..

What about mothers of boys (this is my new tool) who are wanting to fight the education system to care for their boys? What are they after? Male teachers for one. The school system to start changing to suit boys is another. I guess that falls under a men's right.

Aye.. The state should allow parents to have more say in schools and more choices I think.. Its looking like school is better devalued as exams become walk-overs..

What about the men who fight the Government? Wow, that is a movement involving 10's of thousands of people.

What about the Maori? They help men and they help youth and they fight politically. Well, they fight the Government too. They also are on the outside.

Now all this combined makes for a very strong movement. That's a worry for the Government wouldn't you say? We are looking pretty good about now.

But the Government has no intention of allowing the people power. So they diversify by bringing in immigrants.

With the Trade agreement between NZ and China signed (we are the first in the world to do so) 800,000 new immigrants will be coming in from this country alone. This has set back our movement. We have just been ignored. All of us. And with this new move, the country is going to find it hard to form it's army.




So, no, FFF. I am NOT a feminist. Nor am I a statist. You have been watching my growth. And grow I have.

Ok, when you can make you mind up what to label yourself, consider that it does not really mean as much as your own individuality..

As long as you are looking for the state to give you power, you are playing thier game..

Sometimes, you just have to NOT COMPLY with them and refuse to walk that way when you know it aint right..

FFF, I have not gone into your comment and answered bit by bit because I think you need to challenge your own side and not me.

I have not been in this as long as the men in NZ. Some have been in this for 20 years plus. I am sure your own country has a movement you could challenged. I am sure your country has quite a number of people caring for the youth. They are the ones who would be best to hear your suggestions. Your country is a lot richer than mine.

Generally, all Western Countries are working under the same laws and opportunities.

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FFF, I have not gone into your comment and answered bit by bit because I think you need to challenge your own side and not me.

I have not been in this as long as the men in NZ. Some have been in this for 20 years plus. I am sure your own country has a movement you could challenged. I am sure your country has quite a number of people caring for the youth. They are the ones who would be best to hear your suggestions. Your country is a lot richer than mine.

Generally, all Western Countries are working under the same laws and opportunities.

How wet..

The young dont need caring for.. At least, not the "adult" young..

They need respect..

Its not directed at you personally as much as directed at the voice of the mens movement, which here you seem to have positioned yourself, at least as regards NZ men..

But as a woman, you prefer to avoid the challenges that come with responsibilities..

Shame really.. But not unexpected as when women take these positions, they like the men to answer the tough questions that they cant..

Seems 20 years has not made much progress..

Its like Rob Fedders said, its just folk jockeying for positions in groups, like they do..

"family courts." what a deceitful non de plumes for a mangy star chamber

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"family courts." what a deceitful non de plumes for a mangy star chamber

The family court is what I use to judge my kids.. Its within the family!

The state family destruction unit is another matter..

New Zealand women are the easiest in the world, in my experience. I knew one that actually could have charged all the men she slept with and would have been sitting on a small fortune. Free prostitute was basically what she was. I had a go at her before I figured out what she was like, she passed herself off as such a nice woman, but in actuality was a major slut.