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    The dumb ass mother of the kid got police to drop charges saying thier parents should punish them. They were only going to be charged with missdeminor battery. If 3 boys did this to a girl they would have been charged with attempted rape.

    http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2011-06-01/Online-video-shows-Fort-Myers-boy-being-bullied

    i need to quote a comment from syg;

    Ok - so I contacted the "States Attorney" (the ADA) and the Fort Meyers Police Department.

    First the States attorney's office: Not a real shining moment on their part. I asked for the Attorney on duty, the one who takes the incoming phone calls, and after expaining why I was calling was transferred to Samantha Syoen. She is (from memory, sorry if it's not the exactly right title) Communications Director. She had her talking points and wasn't exactly a good reflection on the State's Attorneys' office. I got bullet comments, and told that "it's in the hands of the police, so we can't comment" crap - not to mention a fair amount of high handed tone and a good dose of "Call the Fort Meyers Police Department" and wanting to get rid of me.

    In fairness, I do get that they want to put a good face on this - but Samantha Syoen needs to find a new job. She was haughty, dismissive, and, IMO, to me, was having poor impulse control when trying to not show her annoyance at me.

    Now - let's be clear : I deal with people of rank, stature, and who hold various offices all day - and so I get the "bureaucratic-ese" response to a PR disaster. I really do. I also know how to be polite, but insistant, and to not be fobbed off too easily, but if Samantha Syoen is the face of the State's Attorney's office, she's either new at Communications, been in the job too long, or has never been schooled in the art of diplomacy nor in how to win over the public.

    When she kept trying to foist me off (and clearly get me to call SOMEONE ELSE) she told me to call the Fort Meyers Police Department. I asked whom should I speak to and she kept giving me the general number. I reminded her that her office works "hand in glove" with the FMPD all the time, and it would be helpful to know which division, department, and really helpful to know the lead detective's name. Nope, nada, zip, she could not be bothered and feigned ignorance.

    Which, ya know, is strange, considering that, when you assign a Communications Director to answer all questions regarding a case, you normally would brief them in on why they are being assigned, who the players are, what the situation is, and how best to keep the public on good terms with your office vis a vis this case so as to best represent your office. Samantha Syoen clearly failed that course in college, or has a seriously over developed case of hubris.

    So I called the FMPD.

    ##################

    Completely different story. I know that many MRAs have had issues with those who wear a badge - and I get that. From my perspective, as both an MRA and as a Soldier, one who has worked with many police officers, local, state, and even federal, I tend to give them a lot more credit and try not to make assumptions.

    So, I get a secretary, who listens to me, and, in her own way (trying not to misrepresent her, nor get her in hot water) expresses her own disgust at what these girls did.

    She dutifully directs my call to the detective (Flynn, if memory serves) and I go to voice mail.

    I express my feelings of dismay, and ask them to consider that the message this sends is very bad ju ju. Would this not send the message that such actions by these girls can be done with impunity by OTHER girls, because of how these girls got off. Also, should it come to pass that this boy, in 2-4 years, takes it into his head to do this same thing to some neighborhood girl, laughing and giggling, while she is SCREAMING in distress, would the police then let him go and blow it off - was this not creating the potential for more victims in the years to come?

    I left my name, and my phone number, and honestly thought I would be blown off.

    Not so.

    I get a call from the FMPD Chief. He was calling me back to discuss my concerns and to listen to what I had to say. From the outset, to me, this signals a more open police department, and one that is trying to deal with a situation with as much openess as they can.

    When he called, since it said "unknown #" on my phone (we have caller ID) I answered in my formal job position title and greeting of the day. I cleared up that I am a Sergeant in the Army, and not on a police force.

    He was very open to talking to me - and here's the gist:

    The media are blowing this out of proportion. The kids all know each other, live in the same neighborhood, the kids are all 11 and 12, and this really was, or started off as, a prank. It clearly BECAME (my take on it) more malicious, and the video being posted was the height of stupidity.

    How ever, and no pun intended, I stood my ground, and asked a few questions and injected a few ideas.

    1) Sure, it STARTED OUT as funny, and clearly the girls found it hilarious, but the boy was SCREAMING in pitiful distress.

    2) Sure, bullies start out bullying in their local neighborhoods, and not the next town over, but that's just due to access and availibility of a car - and does not lessen the severity of the attack - and that was what it was.

    3) This boy may be so humiliated that he is indicating that he wants this to "go away" and "be over", but he's 11 - and does not realize that in 3-4 years, when he's in high school that this will still be following him - probably into college too. As he's teased, bullied, and suffers endless shame and social isolation from this, his anger will grow and it will never have the outlet of judicial redress.

    4) The girls will get the message that saying "it was a joke" and "we didn't mean it" and "we didn't know it bothered him" will get them out of trouble like this. And so will their classmates, friends, team mates, and other girls who hear of this story. What message are we sending?

    Bullies don't look at their victims as equal people or as real persons. While, yes, kids can be cruel, this was vicious. While, yes, they were laughing while the boy was screaming, to me that does not indicate a lack of understanding or that they thought it was a game, but rather a complete lack of empathy for a fellow human being, and an enjoyment of his humiliation and suffering.

    5) Regardless of whether mom wants charges filed, that didn't the FMPD sometimes get calls from neighbors who hear a disturbance, and the police show up on a possible DV call? Where the woman has clearly been beaten, but won't press charges? Were those cases dropped or pursued? Did not video of this crime exist? Isn't it kidnapping to restrain a person and not allow them to leave? Isn't it sexual assault to set out to and complete the act of stripping a person of their clothes while you hold them down? Isn't it a crime to video tape it, of this naked child, and put it on YouTube, which crosses state lines, and post a video of a naked child?

    Clearly the video existed - so "mom's permission" was not needed.

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    Now, in fairness to the Chief, he agreed on many points, he listened and was attentive. He really listened, and he was actually very polite (compare and contrast to Samantha Syoen - whos' next job that matches her skill set when dealing with people should involve cleaning cat litter boxes) - and he kept telling me that there was more to this story, that the case was not closed, that the kids all knew each other and lived in the same neighborhood, and had been friends for a long time, and that this was a tragedy and a terrible mistake, was getting miscontrued by the media.

    Honestly, I don't think the Chief and I will see eye to eye on this - but he was open as he could be, not guarded, took the time to address everthing I said, and was doing his best to do a difficult job as this incident had clearly taken on political and social aspects and a life of its' own.

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    As MRAs we may not like the outcome (I don't), but I wanted to share what had transpired when I called. The State's Attorney's office clearly needs a new Communications Director (or at least put her in a job not dealing with people), and needs to look into this case after the police deliver their report.

    As to the FMPD, I disagree on the "it was just kids" line of thinking - but, only because so many of us here have seen that were this 3 boys who did this to a girl, that same line of thinking would have taken on a different directions. And God forbid it had happened to little girl of color by 3 white boys (wow, that does sound familiar).

    Lastly - the victim is going to live with this for years. Why? Because it was video taped and we all know how kids are - he won't be ABLE to "put this behind him" - his peers won't allow it.

    Should he grow up to do the same thing, as clearly the message here is "it's just kids", I have a feeling a sex offender registry, a term in prison, and a very confused mind (as it was "no big deal when it was done to him") will surely ensue.

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    Hope that was helpful.

    Steven
    and another;

    I will give out the contact #'s I have, but first, please some caveats:

    1) I did identify myself to the FMPD Chief as an MRA about 2/3 the way through our conversation - but tried to put a good face on us by always being polite - not that it was hard - he was a decent guy.

    2) We want to make them aware that people are interested, but as MRAs we do need to make the best name for ourselves, and that we are taking notice of events that are blatantly sexist.

    And hopefully, we call in 2 - 4 weeks to let them know - "we are watching".

    Phone #'s:

    State's Attorney's Office: (239) 533-1000

    Fort Meyers Police Department: (239) 321-7700.

    Steven

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    Edited to add:

    I just keep thinking of it - and it's ticking me off: That Samantha Syoen - I'm betting if this had happened to a girl, and it was women calling to express their interest in the case - that she'd have been far more conciliatory and helpful. I don't KNOW that - but her whole dismissive snarky attitude reeked of disdain and a lack of empathy about this case. - maybe that's just me, but it is my opinion.

    Steven


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    This is just wrong on so many levels...

    I grow tired and sickened of how females are allowed to commit sexual trangressions. There is absolutely no justice in making exceptions for certain groups. The same people who behave like lynch mob folks excuse and even condone sexual misconduct commited by females and by doing so, also condone the misery of males who have been sexually violated. They are wiped under the carpet, since males don't matter and can impossibly have feelings besides anger and bravado (according to the feminist doctrine).
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    Re: In Florida 3 girls strip boy naked and film him and post it on you tube.

    Has anyone on SYG made the point yet that you made (I also made this point on the youtube file a day back), that if it was boys on a girl - it would be classed as an attempted rape, even though it may not have been. It's no surprise to see feminists being silent on this.
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    The girls should be charged with assault and battery, kidnapping, false imprisonment, child endangerment, sexualt assault, and making and distributing child pornography. They should be put on the sex offender registry for life and sent to juvenile prison until they are 18, just like any boy their age would be treated had he done what they did but to a girl. The only difference is, unlike boys treated that way by the system, girls could always find a guy to marry them and take care of them for the rest of their lives. They wouldn't have to worry about a lifetime of job rejections and homelessness like guys do.
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    Quote Quote from Marx View Post
    Has anyone on SYG made the point yet that you made (I also made this point on the youtube file a day back), that if it was boys on a girl - it would be classed as an attempted rape, even though it may not have been. It's no surprise to see feminists being silent on this.
    yes,pretty well all the points were covered.

    i never really pointed out anything-it was the crowd at syg and another site


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    The girls should be charged with assault and battery, kidnapping, child endangerment, sexualt assault, and making and distributing child pornography. They should be put on the sex offender registry for life and sent to juvenile prison until they are 18, just like any boy their age would be treated had he done what they did but to a girl. The only difference is, unlike boys treated that way by the systems, girls could always find a guy to marry them and take care of them for the rest of their lives. They wouldn't have to worry about a lifetime of job rejections and homelessness like guys would.
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    The girls should be charged with assault and battery, kidnapping, false imprisonment, child endangerment, sexualt assault, and making and distributing child pornography. They should be put on the sex offender registry for life and sent to juvenile prison until they are 18, just like any boy their age would be treated had he done what they did but to a girl. The only difference is, unlike boys treated that way by the system, girls could always find a guy to marry them and take care of them for the rest of their lives. They wouldn't have to worry about a lifetime of job rejections and homelessness like guys do.
    This SHOULD happen, but it won't. I hope the boy sues the girls and their parents for all he can get. Just a complete frigging double standard.
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    Quote Quote from Dylan MacVillain View Post
    The girls should be charged with assault and battery, kidnapping, false imprisonment, child endangerment, sexualt assault, and making and distributing child pornography. They should be put on the sex offender registry for life and sent to juvenile prison until they are 18, just like any boy their age would be treated had he done what they did but to a girl. The only difference is, unlike boys treated that way by the system, girls could always find a guy to marry them and take care of them for the rest of their lives. They wouldn't have to worry about a lifetime of job rejections and homelessness like guys do.
    I could not have said it better myself, it's pure bullshit, pretty soon mobs of girls and women will be hunting and torturing men worse then this for fun and games and the fucking pigs will not do anything about it.

    I hope these scum bag bitches suffer the same as this boy then maybe they will learn that it's not right to torment boys.
    The boy's mother is a fucking clueless bitch who should lose cousty of her son as she is incapable of protecting him, either she is incapable or is unwilling to look after her son.

    Funny how the boy's father is not mentioned at all, mostly likely the boy's mother divorced him and took him for everything he had, this just goes to show that children are not safe with single mothers.
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    Since I've heard this story,I've been so beside myself with rage that nothing is being done.Even more enraging is the boys mother who won't press charges.The boys mothers says she's upset nothing is being done, and that if this was 3 boys doing it to a girl they would be charged.How can she be upset nothing is being done when she herself doesn't want anything to BE done?One this is for sure, had this been 3 boys forcefully stripping an 11 year old girl then posting it on youtube, they would have been arrested immediately.The police would not be calling it a "prank',and none of the excuses being used as why nothing is being done would be valid.

    Think about what these girls did, and the fact that they've yet to be arrested, now compare with the following news story:
    Boy, 13, Arrested After Pulling Down Female Student's Pants At School

    There ARE huge differences between the two stories.Here they are:

    Difference 1:
    1st story: 3 older girls against 1 younger boy
    2nd story:1 boy against 1 older girl

    Difference 2:
    1st story:Older girls held him down and forcefully stripped him
    2nd story:Boy came up behind girl and yanked her pants down,no physical restraining involved

    Difference 3:
    1st story:Girls intent was to expose boy naked
    2nd story:Boys intent was to expose girls underwear....the girls panties also coming down were accidental

    Difference 3:
    1st story:Girls filmed their attack.
    2nd story:Boy did NOT film it

    Difference 4:
    1st story:Girls posted it on YouTube to further humiliate the boy.Their filming it shows it was planned.
    2nd story:Boy did not post video on YouTube because he didn't film it,and he didn't film it because it was a spur the moment joke.

    Difference5:
    1st story:After almost 2 weeks, no charges has been brought against the girls, and it's being called a 'prank".
    2nd story:The boy WAS arrested and charged with battery. I think he was even arrested the same day it happened.


    The police in the 1st case claim there is no double standard,which we all know is absolute rubbish.The boys mother has expressed a fake outrage about the lack of action.If instead of a son she had a daughter who this happened to, she'd be pressing charges and there is no doubt about that.So to summarize:

    3 girls hold down and forcefully strip younger boy naked, then post it online for all to see,which shows this was planned and done maliciously.Punishment? None

    1 boy,as a bad joke, sneaks up behind older girl and yanks down her pants, but her panties come off in the process.Not filmed because it wasn't planned, rather it was a spur the moment thing.Not done maliciously, but in jest.Punishment? Arrested, charged with battery, suspension from school, possible jail time, will now have a record that will follow him.

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    Re: In Florida 3 girls strip boy naked and film him and post it on you tube.

    I hope this doesn't end up a double post.i posted this once, but it didn't show up when I hit "submit your reply".If it takes some time before a post shows up, then I apologize for double posting.I'm posting this again in case my first post didn't go through as I suspect.

    Since I've heard this story,I've been so beside myself with rage that nothing is being done.Even more enraging is the boys mother who won't press charges.The boys mothers says she's upset nothing is being done, and that if this was 3 boys doing it to a girl they would be charged.How can she be upset nothing is being done when she herself doesn't want anything to BE done?One this is for sure, had this been 3 boys forcefully stripping an 11 year old girl then posting it on YouTube, they would have been arrested immediately.The police would not be calling it a "prank',and none of the excuses being used as why nothing is being done would be valid.

    Think about what these girls did, and the fact that they've yet to be arrested, now compare with the following news story:
    Boy, 13, Arrested After Pulling Down Female Student's Pants At School

    There ARE huge differences between the two stories.Here they are:

    Difference 1:
    1st story: 3 older girls against 1 younger boy
    2nd story:1 boy against 1 older girl

    Difference 2:
    1st story:Older girls held him down and forcefully stripped him
    2nd story:Boy came up behind girl and yanked her pants down,no physical restraining involved

    Difference 3:
    1st story:Girls intent was to expose boy naked
    2nd story:Boys intent was to expose girls underwear....the girls panties also coming down were accidental

    Difference 3:
    1st story:Girls filmed their attack.
    2nd story:Boy did NOT film it

    Difference 4:
    1st story:Girls posted it on YouTube to further humiliate the boy.Their filming it shows it was planned.
    2nd story:Boy did not post video on YouTube because he didn't film it,and he didn't film it because it was a spur the moment joke.

    Difference5:
    1st story:After almost 2 weeks, no charges has been brought against the girls, and it's being called a 'prank".
    2nd story:The boy WAS arrested and charged with battery. I think he was even arrested the same day it happened.


    The police in the 1st case claim there is no double standard,which we all know is absolute rubbish.The boys mother has expressed a fake outrage about the lack of action.If instead of a son she had a daughter who this happened to, she'd be pressing charges and there is no doubt about that.So to summarize:

    3 girls hold down and forcefully strip younger boy naked, then post it online for all to see,which shows this was planned and done maliciously.Punishment? None

    1 boy,as a bad joke, sneaks up behind older girl and yanks down her pants, but her panties come off in the process.Not filmed because it wasn't planned, rather it was a spur the moment thing.Not done maliciously, but in jest.Punishment? Arrested, charged with battery, suspension from school, possible jail time, will now have a record that will follow him.

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    Quote Quote from Afternever View Post
    Since I've heard this story,I've been so beside myself with rage that nothing is being done.Even more enraging is the boys mother who won't press charges.The boys mothers says she's upset nothing is being done, and that if this was 3 boys doing it to a girl they would be charged.How can she be upset nothing is being done when she herself doesn't want anything to BE done?One this is for sure, had this been 3 boys forcefully stripping an 11 year old girl then posting it on youtube, they would have been arrested immediately.The police would not be calling it a "prank',and none of the excuses being used as why nothing is being done would be valid.

    Think about what these girls did, and the fact that they've yet to be arrested, now compare with the following news story:
    Boy, 13, Arrested After Pulling Down Female Student's Pants At School

    There ARE huge differences between the two stories.Here they are:

    Difference 1:
    1st story: 3 older girls against 1 younger boy
    2nd story:1 boy against 1 older girl

    Difference 2:
    1st story:Older girls held him down and forcefully stripped him
    2nd story:Boy came up behind girl and yanked her pants down,no physical restraining involved

    Difference 3:
    1st story:Girls intent was to expose boy naked
    2nd story:Boys intent was to expose girls underwear....the girls panties also coming down were accidental

    Difference 3:
    1st story:Girls filmed their attack.
    2nd story:Boy did NOT film it

    Difference 4:
    1st story:Girls posted it on YouTube to further humiliate the boy.Their filming it shows it was planned.
    2nd story:Boy did not post video on YouTube because he didn't film it,and he didn't film it because it was a spur the moment joke.

    Difference5:
    1st story:After almost 2 weeks, no charges has been brought against the girls, and it's being called a 'prank".
    2nd story:The boy WAS arrested and charged with battery. I think he was even arrested the same day it happened.


    The police in the 1st case claim there is no double standard,which we all know is absolute rubbish.The boys mother has expressed a fake outrage about the lack of action.If instead of a son she had a daughter who this happened to, she'd be pressing charges and there is no doubt about that.So to summarize:

    3 girls hold down and forcefully strip younger boy naked, then post it online for all to see,which shows this was planned and done maliciously.Punishment? None

    1 boy,as a bad joke, sneaks up behind older girl and yanks down her pants, but her panties come off in the process.Not filmed because it wasn't planned, rather it was a spur the moment thing.Not done maliciously, but in jest.Punishment? Arrested, charged with battery, suspension from school, possible jail time, will now have a record that will follow him.
    Really couldn't have presented it better myself. I would make a video on this nonsense but I'm not at home so I sent the link to Bernard Chappin on youtube, hopefully he'll pick it up.
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    Those 3 girls thought they could get away with it because their feminist mentors (either direct or indirect) told them that they should be treated like boys/men. Of course the feminists meant the good stuff. What they conveniently failed to mention is that in order to be treated like a man, you should also take your lumps like a man. I agree with the other posters who say that the girls should be treated (or should have been treated) the same way as if they were boys. Then they might learn something.

    For the record, based on my earlier thread about misandry, I would say that this IS a definite example of it (or at the very least, anti-male sexism). I would not let this one "slide".

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    I was outraged when I hear this story. Not only for the double-standard but for some not-so-great memories of high school.

    In the '40 and '50's females on film were portrayed a certain way. This was generally how men wanted them to be. Perhaps they were that way back then but when I was in high school many (but to be fair not all) females were some of the most callous, narcissistic beings imaginable. Sexuality for them was a means to get what they wanted and males were just beings to exploit. At least I knew that the party for them would be over once they got past their 20's and and bloom has faded ha ha ha.

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    The boys mothers says she's upset nothing is being done, and that if this was 3 boys doing it to a girl they would be charged.How can she be upset nothing is being done when she herself doesn't want anything to BE done?
    Like it or not, the first port of call for female sexism/chauvinism is ones mother. This is where double-standards are born.
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    Like it or not, the first port of call for female sexism/chauvinism is ones mother. This is where double-standards are born.
    Yup CD you are absolutely right on this one. Not all mothers are like this but it is true that when a child is growing up they learn that the rules for boys and girls are different from their mother. This makes you wonder why they didn't care to ask the boy's dad how he felt about the whole thing and whether or not there is even a dad in the picture to begin with.
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