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"First Step:" (Program For Men)

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    "First Step:" (Program For Men)


    I stumbled onto this site today;

    » Programs And Services

    Their programs and services have a special
    ,"First Step:" (Program For Men)
    Most of us have affected by abuse and violence These behaviours are learned and are likely to be repeated in your family by future generations unless you step forward, take responsibility and make changes.
    Men,
    In Your Relationship Are You…
    • Using put downs, mind games, guilt trips?
    • Yelling, breaking things?
    • Wanting to control where your partner goes, what she does, her friendships?
    • Making threats?
    • Physically striking out?
    • Wondering why your partner or children are backing off, afraid or distant?
    • Saying “sorry” often?
    • Angry about changes in your lives?
    • Having trouble letting someone go?
    If any of the above apply to you, you are not alone. Help is available. We respect men with the courage to step forward and take responsibility and can provide tools and support to help you change your behaviour.
    I wrote and asked for a reply;

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    "First Step: (Program For Men) "

    I am wondering why there is no support for battered and abused men?

    These are the victim's who truly have no where to turn for help.

    I thought god loved all people and did not favour one group over another?

    You are propagandating a feminist myth that it is only men that abuse women.

    Gender violence is approximately 50/50 with women starting 70% of all the argument's.

    What about the women who abuse their significant other,could they not use help in dealing with their anger and abusive behaviour?

    You are doing a great diservice to these abusive women who want to take the "first step",or do you not respect them for coming forward like you do for men?

    You are perpetuating a myth not based on fact but on the emotional foot stomping appeal of women's group's(feminist's) and their demand's for special treatment.

    Another question.

    Women are the primary child abuser's and children are disproportionately high on the abuse chart in death and injury as compared to women.

    Why do you feel that women deserve more special services and protection than these children?

    There are million's of dollar's in support for women in every town and city in Canada,yet not a god given thing for men and their children escaping abuse.

    I also noticed this on your site;

    "Session III
    Helping your child behave.

    Handling temper tantrums. Helping your child feel good about "her"self. Finding other help for problems."


    I thought the women you support didn't ever have anger issue's? Yet you say right here,that you offer help in dealing specifically with little girl's tantrum's?

    These same little girl's grow to be big girls.

    Please explain yourselves;

    Thanks.

    Contact them yourselves » Contact maybe one of us can get an answer.
    Your silence is important-Feminist's demand it

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    Re: "First Step:" (Program For Men)

    Excellent... Armchair activism at it's finest.
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    Husband : "How about the ones like mine?"
    Wife : "Those they gave away."
    Husband : "I had a dream too...I dreamt they were auctioning off pussy. The pretty ones went for a thousand dollars, and the little tight ones went for two thousand."
    Wife : "And how much for the ones like mine?"
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    Re: "First Step:" (Program For Men)

    Quote Quote from Marx View Post
    Excellent... Armchair activism at it's finest.
    I agree Marx - but let's not user the "armchair" word too lightly.

    Let's not forget that it's 90% likely that Outdoors:.....

    Bought and paid for an armchair, built and designed by men, via the exchange of his own labour;
    He's not sitting in the middle of a jungle (well, not a real one) and his armchair is in a house that somebody (a team of women perhaps?) built.
    He pays tax to the government. He paid tax on the armchair when he bought it, along with the folk that made it ready for sale.
    He pays tax on the house where the armchair sits.
    He pays a bit for his internet connection so the latest news can be at his fingertips, but pays considerably more to a government that will screw him over.
    He's allowed to complain and have his complaints ignored because he's still paying.
    Even if he didn't complain he would still be paying.

    What's the real cost of an armchair?

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    Re: "First Step:" (Program For Men)

    They never answer.
    Your silence is important-Feminist's demand it

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    Re: "First Step:" (Program For Men)

    maybe because they get the same question all the time. check their FAQ
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    Quote Quote from Yan Yan View Post
    I agree Marx - but let's not user the "armchair" word too lightly.

    Let's not forget that it's 90% likely that Outdoors:.....

    Bought and paid for an armchair, built and designed by men, via the exchange of his own labour;
    He's not sitting in the middle of a jungle (well, not a real one) and his armchair is in a house that somebody (a team of women perhaps?) built.
    He pays tax to the government. He paid tax on the armchair when he bought it, along with the folk that made it ready for sale.
    He pays tax on the house where the armchair sits.
    He pays a bit for his internet connection so the latest news can be at his fingertips, but pays considerably more to a government that will screw him over.
    He's allowed to complain and have his complaints ignored because he's still paying.
    Even if he didn't complain he would still be paying.

    What's the real cost of an armchair?
    I do not know the cost of his armchair but I do know that, since it is his, it is by definition, outdoors. (Or should that have an apostrophe, as in Outdoors's?)

    Added after 31 minutes:

    I sent the following:

    Ever since I was a young man (I am now middle aged) andleant at school that we should all be treated equally, I have believed in this.Despite my disappointment that modern day society seems only to recogniseinequality when it is perpetrated against women or by men and seems blind tothe possibility, and indeed fact, that it is at least as prevalent in thereverse direction (though less obvious, largely because we choose to ignore it)I continue to believe in equality as an ideal to be striven for. I believe init because I believe in the “principle” of equality so, no matter how itaffects me, I feel the same way about it. One of the principles of equality forme is that one does not single out groups of victims, since any victim is avictim, and one does not single out perpetrators, since any perpetrator isperpetrator, irrespective of which group they belong to in society.
    I would like to believe that good and well meaning peopleare capable of acting according to principle and therefore seek to respond toevil without regard to their self interest. Whilst I do not find it in theleast difficult to believe in the principles of goodness and equality; I findit difficult to believe that people are good when they set up groups to dealspecifically with their problems and ignore the equally valid problems faced byothers. On your site you talk of men who abuse, and women who are victims; I donot doubt that there are such perpetrators, and such victims, but if you are agood person ask yourself why you would wish to exclude victims who do not fitinto your categories; specifically I would ask: do you feel yourself to be a trulygood person if you look first to the needs of the group to which you belong andforget the needs of people who may not be like you.
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