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    Father murders baby, gets off free

    Strangles the baby and tosses it over a fence into a neighbour's yard.

    And the Judge lets him walk free, with sympathy.

    Hah. Fooled ya.

    Of course not.

    It was the mother.

    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/canada-legalizes-infanticide/

    People in Canada who think killing an infant is the act of a morally bankrupt monster who deserves more time than the average murderer are getting another kick in the teeth, courtesy of Judge Joanne Veit.

    She let a woman convicted of murdering her newborn baby then throwing the body over her neighbor’s backyard fence
    walk out of court with a suspended sentence and probation.

    According to Veit the murderess is the victim:

    Queen’s Bench Justice Joanne Veit rejected the Crown’s call for a four-year prison term — which she described as “essentially” seeking the maximum five-year punishment when taking into account the time Effert has already spent behind bars and under strict bail conditions.

    Based on the fact infanticide has not been struck from the Criminal Code and it has no minimum penalty, Veit said she feels Canadians “understand, accept and sympathize with the onerous demands pregnancy and childbirth exact from mothers, especially mothers without support.

    “Naturally, Canadians are grieved by an infant’s death, especially at the hands of the infant’s mother, but Canadians also grieve for the mother,” said Veit.

    I’m sure. The mother in question is Katrina Effert. In 2005, she gave birth to the child alone in her parent’s basement and when the baby started to cry, she strangled the boy with a pair of thong underwear and threw his body into her neighbor’s yard. When police investigated after finding the boy’s body, she initially claimed she was a virgin, but when caught in that lie she told cops she had given the baby to her boyfriend.

    She strangled her newborn baby, threw the body into her neighbor’s yard, and then tried to frame her boyfriend for the murder. She did all this because, at 19, she was hiding her pregnancy from her mother.

    Would the kind, empathetic, nurturing Judge have given the same nonsense non-sentence to a man?

    Or if it had been a baby girl murdered and tossed away?
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    Re: Father murders baby, gets off free

    Wow. Didn't know Canada had post-birth abortion as an option. What's the maximum cutoff age?
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    Re: Father murders baby, gets off free

    This would be funny-if it weren't so funny


    two cases-two results;

    Foster mother guilty of manslaughter
    "I fully expected we were looking at a second-degree murder conviction," he said. "I have to say I was very surprised right at the end when she dropped it to manslaughter. I just hope that we now see a sentence that fits the crime."

    This is the second time Choy has been on trial. A jury convicted her of manslaughter in November 2008 and she was sentenced to three years in prison. Last year, the Alberta Court of Appeal overturned the conviction and ordered a new trial.
    Choy was set free on bail and will be sentenced Oct. 17. She earlier spent two months and two days behind bars in a minimum security jail before a judge set her free on bail pending her appeal.
    Foster mother guilty of manslaughter - Edmonton - CBC News
    Newfoundland baby death draws 5-year sentence
    A western Newfoundland man convicted of causing a baby's death more than four years ago was sent to prison Wednesday.
    Newfoundland baby death draws 5-year sentence - Nfld. & Labrador - CBC News


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    Re: Father murders baby, gets off free

    Quote Quote from Black Knight View Post
    Wow. Didn't know Canada had post-birth abortion as an option. What's the maximum cutoff age?
    In the UK, there are apparently greater penalties for a mother who kills an unborn child over 24 weeks from conception than there are for her killing a child once born but under 12 months of age.

    Go fathom.

    In this marvellous age of equality, unless a man is a registered abortion practitioner the penalties for him are dire as soon as conception has occurred.


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    Re: Father murders baby, gets off free

    I guess women claim "post natal depression" and diminished responsibilty, or whatever.

    And remember there are statistics called infant mortality rates of babies who die within the first year of birth (why only the first year?!). Many such deaths are under suspicious circumstances.
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    Re: Father murders baby, gets off free

    This case is all over the internet. Type: 'Judge Joanne Veit' and dozens of sites come up about this case. One site even called into to question the ethics of the judge.
    Unethical Quote of the Month: Canadian Judge Joanne Veit | Ethics Alarms

    Also, notice how that Newfoundland guys gets 5 years yet Katrina Effert gets virtually nothing.

    Father murders baby, gets off free
    Strangles the baby and tosses it over a fence into a neighbour's yard.

    And the Judge lets him walk free, with sympathy.

    Hah. Fooled ya.

    Of course not.

    It was the mother.

    Too funny! Actually U did fool me for a second.

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    Re: Father murders baby, gets off free

    Canada sucks supreme when it comes to letting chicks off for offing their own kids on the premise of depression. I should know, I live here and have seen first hand on way too many occasions women getting the biggest pussy pass you will ever see.

    When I see one of those huge, gigantic, bigger than life, pussy passes being given out, I think this is it. Can't go or get any worse than that.

    Then something like this comes around and just cluster fucks my mind again.

    Check this site out;

    Infanticide in Canada - mothers who kill their babies
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    Re: Father murders baby, gets off free

    Then something like this comes around and just cluster fucks my mind again.

    Check this site out;

    Infanticide in Canada - mothers who kill their babies

    fuck


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    Re: Father murders baby, gets off free

    Some women will kill babies because they know they'll get away with it. No big deal, it's just another part of feminism.
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    Re: Father murders baby, gets off free

    This makes my blood boil!!!

    I have suffered from clinical depression my entire life. Been suicidal on more than one occasion. After I had my son, it was all I could do to get out of bed. No kidding, I went to the store with the family, and they had to put me in a wheelchair and push me around - I didn't have enough energy to walk. I had a terrible time bonding with my son. It shames me to say I really wanted nothing to do with him until he was six months of age. I have never known that depth of despair.

    I didn't want to kill my child. I did want to walk him to the corner and give him away to the first taker.

    But you know what? The entire time this was happening, there was a little voice in the back of my head telling me that if I followed through with it, I would never, ever forgive myself. The right thing to do was to go through the motions of taking care of him and seek medical attention for myself.

    I didn't want to. I didn't feeeeeeeeeeeeeeel like it. But I did. And eventually, I fought my way back to functioning.

    Do not presume to tell me that post-partum depression leading to murder is excusable in any way. It is not. It is not understandable in any way.

    This makes me absolutely sick. Because you know what? That animal who killed her child can still breed.

    Society says we are about protecting the children, but nothing could be further from the truth.

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    @KellyMac: Sorry to hear about your PPD. it's shameful that the judge doesn't have the same sense of justice
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    Now now Kelly Mac, we are just talking about folks who kill their own kids. No sense in getting riled up.
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    Re: Father murders baby, gets off free

    Gotcha. So a superior court judge in a relatively civilized jurisdiction is happy to extend the principles underlying legalized abortion in order to mitigate the killing of a legal person — that’s to say, someone who has managed to make it to the post-fetus stage. How long do those mitigating factors apply? I mean, “onerous demands”-wise, the first month of a newborn’s life is no picnic for the mother. How about six months in? The terrible twos?

    Speaking of “onerous demands,” suppose you’re a “mother without support” who’s also got an elderly relative around with an “onerous” chronic condition also making inroads into your time?

    And in what sense was Miss Effert a “mother without support”? She lived at home with her parents, who provided her with food and shelter. How smoothly the slick euphemisms — “accept and sympathize . . . onerous demands” — lubricate the slippery slope.

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    Re: Father murders baby, gets off free

    There is humanist ideology that states a baby is unable to bond with a mother till a month old because the baby is not actually a life until one month old. It's set there so they can take babies into care for the first month and kill those who are not healthy.

    This interest group would be very strong in Canada and the judge may possibly be making sure it comes to fruition by her verdict. (part of feminism)

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    And remember there are statistics called infant mortality rates of babies who die within the first year of birth (why only the first year?!). Many such deaths are under suspicious circumstances.
    Talking of statistics, please be aware when looking at child murder statistics that those countries who support a mother killing her own child (usually called 'infanticide' and applicable in the first 12 months of a child's life) do not always include such deaths in their homicide statistics. So if you are ever looking into how many children are murdered by fathers and how many by mothers, you need to know if infanticide is included and, if not, make sure to look up the infanticide statistics as well and add those figures to the number of children murdered by mothers. While I'm mentioning statistics, some countries accept mothers abandoning new-borns as a non-crime, even if the baby is taken into the fields and left to die. In such countries, try getting the estimate of the numbers that includes, too but beware that at least one nation will consider it murder on the part of the father if the mother abandons the baby 'under duress from the husband' even if she could have given the child to be cared for by someone else - so you might need to deduct some 'murders' from the father statistics to account for that.

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