DOUBLE STANDARDS circumcision
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- 30th-September-2009 #1
DOUBLE STANDARDS circumcision
Circumcision: the first cut is the deepest | spiked
Opposition to female circumcision has become something of an article of faith for international development organisations. While there are still great and unresolved debates among policymakers and intellectuals about the importance of promoting democracy, bestowing foreign aid and mandating international standards of criminal law, everyone seems to agree that female circumcision is abhorrent and needs to be stopped.
The consensus, for once, is right: female circumcision reduces – if not eliminates – sexual pleasure, provides no apparent health benefits, and violates individual autonomy. At its core, female circumcision is a degrading and brutally unfair practice.
All of this is true of male circumcision – the removal of penis foreskin – as well. Yet, as the New York Times recently reported, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), an arm of the United States federal government, is now considering a plan to ‘promote [the] routine circumcision’ of infant boys in the US with the aim of reducing the spread of HIV (1). This proposal is as degrading as it is illiberal.
The scientific evidence that the CDC is relying on in considering the new recommendation is laughably weak. Consider, first, the people who were the object of the study: the population group surveyed was from sub-Saharan Africa, where sexual mores and cultural conditions are utterly different from those of the US.
The study found that adult circumcision led to a modest reduction in the transmission of HIV. However, the cited research found a reduction only in the incidence of HIV transmission as a result of sex between men and women. This is an extremely rare form of transmission in the US. Most damningly, even advocates of circumcision as a means of HIV reduction concede that circumcised men still need to use condoms to protect themselves. But this simply raises the question: why remove the foreskin in the first place, then? At best, therefore, the health benefits of circumcision are marginal.
Moreover, another recent study determined that circumcision does absolutely nothing to reduce the spread of HIV amongst men who have sex with other men – the group most likely to come into contact with the virus, at least in the US (2). Self-evidently, circumcision will do nothing to combat the spread of the disease among intravenous drug users, another group beset with HIV problems. And despite the claims of medical fearmongers regarding the supposed AIDS ‘epidemic’ in the US, fewer than 500,000 Americans are living with the disease in a country of over 300million people (3). To recommend universal circumcision is a wild overreaction to this problem.
While science gives us little reason to pursue this policy, it does tell us something important about circumcision: it greatly reduces sexual pleasure. To take just one academically determined example of what is quite self-evidently true, Gregory Boyle of the University of Australia has observed that the ‘inner layer of the foreskin comprises thousands of erogenous nerve endings’. He further determined that circumcised men enjoy ‘significantly less penile sensation as compared with genitally intact men’ (4). This makes plain sense: after all, the foreskin is an erogenous zone, and removal of said zone is bound have a deleterious result on sensation. To deny men a life of sexual pleasure because of highly dubious claims of ‘health benefits’ is ethically unjustifiable. To add insult to (ahem) injury, other studies have concluded that not only does circumcision deny males pleasure, it actually causes them pain as well (5).
More troubling, the plan to mandate circumcision betrays an insidious disregard for individual autonomy. Indeed, even if circumcision could be shown significantly to reduce the spread of HIV, the practice of circumcising infants would remain an affront to human dignity. It denies men autonomy over their own bodies. No right-thinking person would ever endorse the involuntary circumcision of adult males – indeed, even the most vehement supporters of the practice shy away from this. Why should the case of an infant male be any different? The detriments to his life he is likely to receive as a result of the procedure will only affect him when he is an adult.
Is there really any ethical difference between circumcising a baby against his will and circumcising an adult against his will? What kind of ethical framework is it that allows parents the right to deny their children future sexual pleasure?
Lamentably, many American elites have ridiculed and maligned opponents of compulsory cutting. Substituting mockery for argumentation, Hanna Rosin, writing in the influential Atlantic Monthly, referred dismissively to the circumcision ‘controversy’ (note the use of scare quotes) and accused opponents of being ‘hysterical’ (6). Emily Bazelon, a senior editor at the highly respected web magazine, Slate, characterised critics as ‘crazy’ and ‘on the rabid side’ (7). It is difficult to imagine two liberal women being quite so glib about opponents of female circumcision.
Of course, the impulse to regulate personal behaviour in the name of health and safety has been ascendant in Western society for some time now. But that impulse, as we have seen time and again, can go too far. If we were really to pursue such an outlook to its logical conclusion, we would demand a ban on homosexual sex, since this would result in a far larger reduction in HIV transmission than circumcision. This, most people would agree, would be ridiculous, but if any regulation is permissible in the name of health and safety, then why not simply mandate this?
The safety impulse is the same one that has brought us public smoking bans, seatbelt laws, and fees on shoppers’ use of plastic bags. And now, left unchecked, that safety impulse is set to hit American men where it really hurts.
Ethan Epstein is a business writer living in Portland, Oregon.
Previously on spiked
Dr Michael Fitzpatrick showed how the AIDS epidemic was a glorious myth. Stuart Derbyshire argued that the UN was making AIDS in Africa worse. Ann Furedi wrote that chlamydia is the new medical justification for not having sex. Or read more at spiked issue Health.
(1) Officials Weigh Circumcision to Fight H.I.V. Risk, New York Times, 23 August 2009
(2) Large US study finds circumcision doesn’t protect gay men from AIDS virus, Los Angeles Times, 25 August 2009
(3) HIV and AIDS statistics by state, AVERT
(4) Boyle, Gregory J; Svoboda, J Steven; Goldman, Ronald; Fernandez, Ephrem (2002). Male circumcision: pain, trauma, and psychosexual sequelae. Bond University Faculty of Humanities and Social Sciences
(5) American Academy of Pediatrics Task Force on Circumcision (March 1, 1999) Circumcision Policy Statement, Pediatrics 103 (3): 686–693. doi:10.1542/peds.103.3.686. ISSN 0031-4005 PMID 10049981
(6) Lose the foreskin, The Atlantic, 25 August 2009
(7) Should the CDC push circumcision?, Double-X, 27 August 2009
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- 30th-September-2009 #2
Re: DOUBLE STANDARDS circumcision
Circumcision weakens a man's sexuality as the foreskin is specialised tissue richly supplied with blood vessels, highly innervated, and uniquely endowed with stretch receptors.
Any hygenical gains of circumcision are neglectable, the US is not the sahara desert and if someone just cleans his foreskin everything is simply fine.
It's mutilation and a farce for making money (circumsiders/circumsadists get paid quite well to mutilate a defenseless infant).
Allot people are ignorant about how male circumcision is unneccesary and what damage it actually causes.
- 30th-September-2009 #3
Re: DOUBLE STANDARDS circumcision
I happened to be reading an article on the Net a wee while back, that was about how the UN is dead set against Female Genital Mutilation and how any suggestion of the practice needs to be outlawed.
Of course, the UN would say that, wouldn't it, it's full of feminists.
Well bugger me, if I didn't see this old article on the net tonight, that I'd read when it first came out, yet back then I more or less thought nothing of the story:
Rwanda in mass circumcision drive.
Rwanda has launched a campaign to encourage all men to be circumcised, to reduce the risk of catching HIV/Aids.
A health minister told the BBC that soldiers, policemen and students would be asked to come forward first for circumcision.
The UN World Health Organisation has said male circumcision reduces the risk of heterosexual HIV infection.
But correspondents say it is rare in Rwanda where the majority Christian population do not practise it.
Rwanda has successfully managed to lower the spread of Aids in recent years thanks to its HIV campaign.
Figures from the World Bank last year put the prevalence of Aids in the country at about 3%, down from 11% in 2000.
"We took this decision from a statistical point of view," Innocent Nyaruhirira, secretary of state for Aids prevention, told the BBC's Great Lakes Service.
"It is a fact that men who are circumcised are 60% more likely to be protected against HIV during sexual intercourse," he said.
"We will start this campaign with the new born and young men in universities, the army and police."
While it will be nominally voluntary, correspondents say many in the armed forces will regard it as an order.
Mr Nyaruhirira said health workers would be trained to make sure there were enough people available to perform the sensitive operation.
I fail to see the link between circumcision and preventing the spread of HIV.
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- 1st-October-2009 #4
Re: DOUBLE STANDARDS circumcision
What I found here is that the people who want their kids circumcised the most... ARE MEN! Just like the female circumcision being a female business lots of times. Percy, I want your psychiatric input on this.
- 1st-October-2009 #5
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