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Awesome, thank you for the information.

Question: According to the article, this problem a prevalent problem amongst illegal immigrants. In your experience, is this true? Are female illegal immigrants treated in a similar fashion or are they receiving benefits that their male counter-parts are not?

Illegal immigrants are just a small percentage of the issue and that needs redressing too, in a civilised country we shouldn't have people living on the streets if they choose not to.

I have never seen a Woman other than an alcoholic living on the streets in England, that includes immigrant Women.

Refuges for Women are scattered evenly across the country and councils are ORDERED to ensure their safety by putting a roof over their heads.

A law doesn't exist for Men, it's a personal bugbear for me because many of the homeless Men are ex military and it could have been me in the winter freezing my knackers off.

They're back from the front line - so why are these ex-soldiers still fighting their own wars? | UK news | The Observer


This is shocking by anyones standard.

That is incredible. That such disparity can occur in the first world is a clear sign of the militant feminist agenda reaching fruition. The media isn't on a rampage about it in the US but if it were women and children you could bet your life on it that it would be.

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That is incredible. That such disparity can occur in the first world is a clear sign of the militant feminist agenda reaching fruition. The media isn't on a rampage about it in the US but if it were women and children you could bet your life on it that it would be.

Is this sarcasm?

No.

Sarcasm is not well conveyed on the internet, people generally take it at face value of the words. But this is the first time I've ever had anyone read sarcasm into words at face value before.

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London 2011: Homeless men forced to sleep in bins | News

More than 40% of domestic violence victims are male, report reveals | Society | The Observer

This just scratches the surface.

The definition of homelessness varies.

Men are actually homeless and sleep on the streets when their welcome runs out at friends etc.

Women (With children or not) are placed in council accomodation off the streets with their own key to their own door.

This is not entirely true. When I was 17 my parents lost their business and along with it, the accommodation. The council were only willing to re-house my mum and my younger brother (he was still at school). That would have left my dad and myself on the streets. My parents fought until we were given somewhere for the whole family.

More recently, I moved to a council house with my sick mother and youngest daughter. The council wouldn't make allowances for my eldest daughter who was 19 at the time. They recommended she put her name on the council list and wait the usual 2 years like everyone else. She ended up sleeping on friends settee's until my mum passed away. Now my eldest daughter lives with me again and I have to lie about her being here to the council until I have lived here year as that is when I am allowed to take in lodgers! I have to class my own daughter as a lodger so don't tell me that the system is biased towards fucking women!

I have to class my own daughter as a lodger so don't tell me that the system is biased towards fucking women!

'wah wah wah, I have a personal tragedy therefore all women have it rough,' what a pile of shit. The FACT is the overwhelming majority of rough sleepers and homeless persons are men. Mathematical fact. Because the state actively promotes housing women over men. Does this mean the state can comfortably and easily house all women with no fuss? Of course not, and nobody is saying they do, but of the available resources women receive the vast majority.

What does your story mean anyway? Did you end up on the street? Did your daughter? No. So why are you complaining when hundreds do? The council housed you at its expense, you should be grateful.

so don't tell me that the system is biased towards fucking women!

I'll tell you the system is biased towards Women until i'm blue in the face because it's true.

How many Women actually live on the street because they have nowhere to go?

Walk around any City center at night and see the droves of MEN living in boxes and sleeping bags.

Look at the statistics for shelters that support Women in the UK and the complete lack of support Men don't get.

After separation Men get a fuckin' roasting from the state while the Women get to keep their cosy houses in most situations.

Why?

Because they use the right they have over their children as a financial shield.

Even a blind squirrel will find a nut once in a while....

Ahem...

What's that noise I hear? Sounds like stamping feet or something...

TMOTS

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'wah wah wah, I have a personal tragedy therefore all women have it rough,' what a pile of shit. The FACT is the overwhelming majority of rough sleepers and homeless persons are men. Mathematical fact. Because the state actively promotes housing women over men. Does this mean the state can comfortably and easily house all women with no fuss? Of course not, and nobody is saying they do, but of the available resources women receive the vast majority.

What does your story mean anyway? Did you end up on the street? Did your daughter? No. So why are you complaining when hundreds do? The council housed you at its expense, you should be grateful.

I didn't end up on the streets because my mum was dying. My daughter did what men also do, she used her friends. It was only because my mum died that I was able to take her back in before she out-stayed her welcome! I'm sure some would see it as a lucky break.

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I'll tell you the system is biased towards Women until i'm blue in the face because it's true.

How many Women actually live on the street because they have nowhere to go?

Walk around any City center at night and see the droves of MEN living in boxes and sleeping bags.

Look at the statistics for shelters that support Women in the UK and the complete lack of support Men don't get.

After separation Men get a fuckin' roasting from the state while the Women get to keep their cosy houses in most situations.

Why?

Because they use the right they have over their children as a financial shield.

Because the system is biased toward the PARENT with the children. I realise that statistically it does mean that women get the better deal as it is women who generally have the children, but this does not happen in all cases. I cannot speak for other mothers in my situation because I do realise that is rare, but so far, the system has worked for HIM in my case because he is the parent with the younger children.

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Even a blind squirrel will find a nut once in a while....

Ahem...

What's that noise I hear? Sounds like stamping feet or something...

TMOTS

You are quite right TMOTS, because just like any absent parent, that's about all I can do at the moment.

I didn't end up on the streets because my mum was dying. My daughter did what men also do, she used her friends. It was only because my mum died that I was able to take her back in before she out-stayed her welcome! I'm sure some would see it as a lucky break.

Very lucky. In so far as I appreciate things if one cannot afford accomodation, and no-one is willing to put you up, you end up on the street. State housing is usually overburdened. Please don't think I believe you or she deserve to end up on the street, or that I'd think it would be in any way alright if you did. In a prosperous nation no person should lack the option of accomodation. Anything less is unacceptable. Of course I realize homeless women, and female rough sleepers are more vulnerable than are homeless men, but this is no excuse. Nothing so vital as accomodation should descriminate even if a compelling reason does exist. To do so would open the way for all Government aid to become demographic-based and conditional. Other groups are just as vulnerable, or more so and recieve no special consideration.

As always it's not about justice, but about how appealing the victims are as a demographic. Any cause that can trot out a photogenic young woman as it's poster child gains automatic support totally out of proportion to its importance and this is simply intolerable for a society that is supposedly progressive, and which trumpets its advanced sensibilities. However the state here is not really to blame, and I put the finger squarely at the people who are suckered time and time again by such base appeals to their least rational and most hysterically primitive impulses. Such cynical exploitation is constantly used because it works.

Truth and justice have small value in a free-market of ideas dominated by the spirit of perpetual adolescence.

Sexism is sexism it's a part of life. Hopefully one day it isn't but until then we basically sit in the back of the bus while women sit in the front.