Thread: PUA's - friend or foe?

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Regardless, the mods need to step in. Men bashing whole races of men just plays right into the feminazi agenda.

Her ideal man is someone with a big dick and huge aggression. You really going to get upset about someones subjective preferences? especially someone who has preferences like that. Well, the well endowed thing makes sense from a womans perspective, but aggression? really?

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And what information or studies support your ridiculous claim?

I bet the researchers you want to cite are the same ones that also find men to be less intelligent than women. They're probably the same "researchers" that said the male/Y chromosome is unstable.

You, sir, are engaging in the game of disparaging a whole race of males to prop yourself up as superior competition for women. You're playing the very game that women want you to play. The moment you start bashing other men to look good with women you have already lost!!!

Actually, they are the scientists who have the explanations about why men are most of the scientists and so on and are hunted by the PC drones like yourself. Will you apologize if I bother to post references about what I wrote? Because if you don't promise a full apology and that you are willing to change your idiotic, inaccurate beliefs, there's no point in me bothering to cite studies(mind you, people being the same is contrary to evolution to begin with, so once you accept evolution, you accept that selection is influenced by environment and hence people living in different places will have different traits - the null hypothesis, if you accept evolution is to prove likeness, not differences). Did you bother to read any literature on the topic or do you feel like having an opinion because you are able to type? I will teach you how things are, if you promise you will apologize.

EDIT: I'd also like to point out that the whole world wide brotherhood of men is an utopia - it will never happen because men are inherently competitors and it pays off to not be part of such a movement, which results in masturbation over sex. And the more men will be part of it, the bigger the benefits of the dissenters will be, since they will get more and more stuff.

Black Knight, actually, people who like outsiders are outliers - generally, even in terms of intermarriage, the people who do it are more alike each other in other ways besides genetics. But again, anecdotal evidence and opinions reign supreme around here.

Duran, actually it is an overall preference. Sort of like men prefer demure women. Nice ad hominem though.

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Duran, actually it is an overall preference. Sort of like men prefer demure women. Nice ad hominem though.

Big penis and high aggression is an overall preference? Possibly, I doubt there's any stats saying so but I'd probably agree with that when it comes to western white women. Still though, at an individual level it is subjective preference.

Eitherway, going by your definition of the ideal male there's simply no way you can not admit to being a mudshark, logically speaking. Ad-hominem or not, that is the reality of the situation.

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Big penis and high aggression is an overall preference? Possibly, I doubt there's any stats saying so but I'd probably agree with that when it comes to western white women. Still though, at an individual level it is subjective preference.

Eitherway, going by your definition of the ideal male there's simply no way you can not admit to being a mudshark, logically speaking. Ad-hominem or not, that is the reality of the situation.

It's called being an outlier(also, it isn't about being an ad hominem, it's about you making a straw man argument - I never said that was my ideal male). And it's more true for Asian women - why do you think around half wouldn't mind dating white men, while only about 15-20% of white women would date others? The women who don't like their men the most are Asian(which explains brothel countries like Thailand - I suppose they're combining business with pleasure lol) and who have no other choice but date their men are black women, since there isn't a racial group with higher T levels et al. This explains why Asian women like white men, but white women don't like Asian men and white women like black men, while black women don't like anyone besides white men. Obviously, with interracial dating, white men end up the better off because they wouldn't mind any woman and white women and Asian women like them, while white women don't like Asian men. The worst off people are, of course, black women and Asian men who have nobody to date because the former don't like anyone besides black men and the latter aren't liked by anyone besides Asian women, who also have the least resistance to interracial dating.

And sexual selection is explained by a multivariate model, in which what I said(e.g. aggression), while having an inferior threshold, doesn't explain everything. Still, what beauty and youth are for men, power is for women. And to exemplify it, I'm pretty sure looks aren't everything for you, but I'm pretty sure you have a standard under which you don't go - or would you date an obese wilder beast with warts on her face? Then after a level, a woman can compensate for her looks with other traits. It's the same for women, but we care about other features more.

le jacquelope, let me know if you are willing to apologize for your silly reaction and I will cite studies about everything I said that you had a problem with.

https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2011/1...of-ultimatums/
Here's a good read about PUAs and feminism.

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(also, it isn't about being an ad hominem, it's about you making a straw man argument - I never said that was my ideal male).

If those are womens preferences overall, then surely you're saying they're your preferences too? Unless of course you're one of those "outliers" you speak of which brings me to the point of, where are your stats, not just for womens preferences in men but the measurement of importance for each preference. It's far too unmeasurable to ever accurately say what you just did (that the overall preference is well endowed, aggressive men) what if there's other traits that women find more important e.g money, physique, facial features, aesthetics, social status etc.

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And it's more true for Asian women - why do you think around half wouldn't mind dating white men

In the poor asian countries it's due to money and only money. The miniscule amount of japanese women who date outside their race aren't even close to the amount of Thai/Cambodian/Vietnamese women that do and the reason usually has much more to do with money than physical attraction.

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while black women don't like anyone besides white men.

I'd love to see evidence of this. LOL.

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Obviously, with interracial dating, white men end up the better off because they wouldn't mind any woman

Pretty sure you're wrong here, most white men prefer white women. It's white women who end up better off overall because they are, from my observation atleast, the ones who sleep around with different races far more than any other ethnic group I've seen, in the UK. Also I've seen tons of white women with asian men, you obviously haven't heard of "weaboos" and shit, them white womenz love dem azns. Really don't know how you can conclude white men are the better off when it comes to interracial dating though, from my point of view it's easily white women.

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It's the same for women, but we care about other features more.

The problem is how do you measure which traits are the most important, it's so varied, do you have any multivariate statistics that shows any of this?

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https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2011/1...of-ultimatums/
Here's a good read about PUAs and feminism.

Articles that use the word "alpha" to describe certain types of men should be deleted.

I meant that black women don't like anyone besides black men on average. And white men don't date the 'Asian' women you have in the UK because the 'Asian' men you have mate guard, while white men don't, which insures one-way gene flow and it's a pretty neat thing to do as a man. Obviously, if you're on the sucker end of this, it's lame - but again, letting hordes of others move to your country is idiotic, from an evolutionary point of view, to begin with. lol

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I meant that black women don't like anyone besides black men on average. And white men don't date the 'Asian' women you have in the UK because the 'Asian' men you have mate guard, while white men don't, which insures one-way gene flow and it's a pretty neat thing to do as a man. Obviously, if you're on the sucker end of this, it's lame - but again, letting hordes of others move to your country is idiotic, from an evolutionary point of view, to begin with. lol

You're implying I or any other indeginous man allowed this to happen though, we didn't, our government did because mass immigration meant cheap labour and big profits for the sociopaths running corporations. We tried mate guarding once upon a time and was immediately called oppressive, racist monsters basically not only did our women turn against us but every other race/culture did aswell, now we're relegated to nothing more than emasculated little weaklings. That's why people like Anders Breivik start popping up, but alas what is one man vs a whole country, there's really nothing any of us can do about it, blaming us is like blaming a child for getting beaten by its parents.

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Actually, they are the scientists who have the explanations about why men are most of the scientists and so on and are hunted by the PC drones like yourself.

Still unable to name names or post cites, eh? Good luck selling your bullshit to any critical thinker.

Will you apologize if I bother to post references about what I wrote?

Nope. Because you're still a racist playing into the Feminazi game.

Because if you don't promise a full apology

I apologize for your parents who did not educate you.

EDIT: I'd also like to point out that the whole world wide brotherhood of men is an utopia

You are TOTALLY in service to feminazi propaganda. If you were right most of our major religions wouldn't even exist.

it will never happen because men are inherently competitors and it pays off to not be part of such a movement, which results in masturbation over sex. And the more men will be part of it, the bigger the benefits of the dissenters will be, since they will get more and more stuff.

There are many brotherhoods of men out there. Most major religions feature it.

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Her ideal man is someone with a big dick and huge aggression. You really going to get upset about someones subjective preferences? especially someone who has preferences like that. Well, the well endowed thing makes sense from a womans perspective, but aggression? really?

I'm upset that someone can be allowed on this forum to stand around and play divide-and-conquer among races of men, female or not. But also, your point is worth considering... maybe RV is a female posing as a male?

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I'm upset that someone can be allowed on this forum to stand around and play divide-and-conquer among races of men, female or not. But also, your point is worth considering... maybe RV is a female posing as a male?

*shrugs* rather free speech than liberal fascism. Also 99.999% sure she is female, where did she state she was male?

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You are TOTALLY in service to feminazi propaganda. If you were right most of our major religions wouldn't even exist.

As much as I hate to admit it she makes a very valid point here, men will never stand as a gender against the injustices imposed on them if women disagree with them. It just won't happen on any meaningful scale, it's a depressing fact but it's the reality of the world we live in. You can't really use religion as a counter argument as on the whole they're usually very oppressive to women or at the very least put them in a position where they can't go against men as a gender.

Basically unless we're willing to arm up and go in Breivik style, we're changing fuck all. (and lets face it, we're all too comfortable in our insignificant lives to even attempt such a thing).

When will things improve for us? most likely when women start seeing the injustices imposed upon us. Who knows how bad things are going to get before that happens though.

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*shrugs* rather free speech than liberal fascism. Also 99.999% sure she is female

*shrug* male or female, it's still highly racist. Bashing Asian men is racist and I don't care if every male on Earth will go with this divisive BS in order to win favor with women... I will not.

I'm sure there are Asian men on this forum and they have a right to be enraged at what s/he said.

As much as I hate to admit it she makes a very valid point here, men will never stand as a gender against the injustices imposed on them if women disagree with them.

But there are large-scale brotherhoods that do exist, in the form of religion.

It just won't happen on any meaningful scale, it's a depressing fact but it's the reality of the world we live in. You can't really use religion as a counter argument as on the whole they're usually very oppressive to women or at the very least put them in a position where they can't go against men as a gender.

They may be accused of oppressing women but religion has done a LOT to fight back against the power of women. Monogamy, for one. Granted there are a lot of women who cheat on their husbands but you have to admit things would be INFINITELY worse without the cultural norms imposed by religious powers. And I'm also not saying religion is perfect, but it has put the brakes on a lot of misandry.

Going Brevik(sp?) style on women basically means a massacre. China's people have gone the way of eliminating women, look what it's got them.

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RV is a woman , speaking as a woman.
and if you've ever seen any of my naughty posts , i've said much more
offending racial rants than she , only mine never have an elaborate point.

So if one of these Asian men came along and spoke up for themselves we're supposed to play the female game and jump all over him? Or does someone back down and apologize?

This is how females divide and conquer men. All it takes is a bunch of weak males to turn on each other for sexual brownie points. WTF. Asian men are no worse than anyone else. Prick them and they bleed like you and me.

Stop being manipulated. Just because someone told you it's impossible for men to unite, doesn't mean you have to accept it and play the role.

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*shrug* male or female, it's still highly racist. Bashing Asian men is racist and I don't care if every male on Earth will go with this divisive BS in order to win favor with women... I will not.

I'm sure there are Asian men on this forum and they have a right to be enraged at what s/he said.

I've already addressed her points about asian men and she may be being racist but there's good truth in what she said, asian men are generally less aggressive and aren't as well endowed as other races hence my point about how does she know they're the most important traits women look for in a man etc etc

She's not just insulting Asian men there, she's insulting any man with a below average/small penis and low aggression by saying they're less of a man without those things. I suggest you go re-read my posts addressing her points.

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But there are large-scale brotherhoods that do exist, in the form of religion.

Which are on the whole, very oppressive to women.

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They may be accused of oppressing women but religion has done a LOT to fight back against the power of women. Monogamy, for one. Granted there are a lot of women who cheat on their husbands but you have to admit things would be INFINITELY worse without the cultural norms imposed by religious powers. And I'm also not saying religion is perfect, but it has put the brakes on a lot of misandry.

Sorry but I've said this before, if I had to choose between Sharia law on women and what we have now, I'd stick with what we have now.

As Nietzsche said "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

I'd rather not impose the same/worse injustices upon women just because we as men face injustices from them. Misandry dies when morals rise. Religion has been nothing but a cancer upon our society, it has held back science and bought about unneeded massacres throughout history, once upon a time it was needed but as Nietzsche said again "God is dead in the hearts of modern men".

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Going Brevik(sp?) style on women basically means a massacre. China's people have gone the way of eliminating women, look what it's got them.

I meant Breivik style on the politicians, education system and criminal family court judges/lawyers who seek to destroy men for their own personal gains.