boys should seek their fathers.

Male role models are a feminist invention.

Well, the term is used by them as some piss poor excuse for saying its ok for boys to grow up without the input of their FATHER.

"Its ok, my son has a great male role model in the drunken tosser who is asleep on the sofa paid for by and in the house paid for by that terrible wicked man who dares call himself a father.."

Most PUA's I have ever known have only become PUA's because they got fucked over by some axewounder.. They often use this as their excuse for treating women like sport..

Soon as they meet a woman who is smart enough to get them back under the thumb they dissapear back to the lifestyle of the ball-bagged..

Urban Dictionary: ball bagged

1.	ball bagged	6 up, 1 down
	The status of once proud and fearless gent of integrity who has lost his freedom and right to roam by submitting to the manipulations of a "ball bagger".. This sad turn of events often happens to men in the prime of their lives, and could be a reaction to the stresses of "freedom" and the poor quality of casual pick-up material on offer these days.. Usually such specimens of men are rarely seen outside of the work environment or at family gatherings usually arranged by their miserable and deeply insecure female "owners". Any attempt to assert their previous rights to roam are met with histrionics, prolonged sulking, sex strikes and threats of "violence by proxy" often involving family members or friends of the ball bagger, the police, or family courts.. A ball bagged man is the butt of many jokes, as he lives in a form of comfortable castration rather like a neutered housepet.. But never has any real fun anymore, because his balls, are in "she who must be obeyed"'s handbag.. Bill realised, as he looked in the mirror at a body that was once lean and athletic but now looks as sad and sorry as the heap of lard sulking on the sofa that had ball bagged him into this pathetic life, that he was not really able to escape now. The price would be too high and he didn't want to end up unable to see his child, even though that was what had trapped him in this situation in the first place.. buy ball bagged mugs & shirts deballed housepetted sad sorry glum.. by Drex le manic Jul 22, 2011 share this add a video

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CD I agree, but what about the boys who dont have a father? What about the tens of thousands of fathers - LIKE DAVYONE, who the court refuses access? What are his sons supposed to do?

There's no definitive answer given the institutional bias against fathers. You individually can only keep plugging away given your unique situation, and hope your sheer tenacity pays dividends that inspires other fathers towards a collective political solution.

I agree, but those boys still need to become men. They need a positive masuline influence. What are the option when it comes to teaching them about Male-Female relations? The school cirriculum which is feminist dictated?

I have to admit, like many others, I was pro-feminist in my early days. While I drifted away, I did not have model on how to act. The PUA stuff gave me that positive model (my father died over 22 years ago), and my success with relating to women since that time I read about the PUAąs has blossomed.

Some PUA's are idiots, and whatever you can learn from them its not as good as what your father might treach you, but in the light of any other model to learn form we have to accept it.

I dont think there is any fear or shame in accepting learning from PUA. After all, if you want an university education, then you would hardly ask your parents to teach you at home. Your parents can teach you the basics, then can give immense moral and psychological support, but often not much more.

And lets be honest, you are hardly going to your dad aged 13, 14, and ask how to pick up girls! Such conversations tend to come when you are in your early 20s with your dad.