First of all you must ask yourself an allmighty important question when confronted with such a situation:

"Do I want to fuck her or do I want to marry her and spend the rest of my life with her?"

The obvious anser to the second portion of that question is; NO! You are way to young for that and as has been demonstrated by many writings here it is just not worth it anyway so I will not bother to explain.

If you think that the social awkwardness is wortha fuck then go for it. If not forget it. But as an old college buddy of mine once said to me: "in situations like this think with your dick." There have been many many times when I have ignored that advice and deeply regretted it. Do not make that same mistake.

Do not get all caught up in this "oh she has a boyfriend so therefore I should back off" bullshit. She is a young college girl and she is thinking about the exact same shit you are. Do not lie I know exactly what you are thinking!

Also, and this is crucial, DO NOT OFFER TO TAKE HER OUT ON A DATE IN WHICH YOU PAY FOR ANYTHING AND I MEAN ANYTHING! Female affection is abundant and totaly free so do not ever pay for it indirectly through the auspicies of a date. EVER!

Simply try to engineer some time alone together. Mention a movie that you think she would like that has to do with Sociology or something like that( do not limit that approach as there are a miriad of things that you could suggest that will get you alone with her-which is what she wants if she has expressed interest in you) that will get her to say "sure lets do that together I would like that very much."

Do not wait too long to do this!

When you do it make sure that you let HER make the first move! Women always want to make men resposible for failed meeitngs as to avoid resposibility for THEM not getting laid. If she does not make the first move then forget about her.....PERIOD. If she does then go with it getto style. That is what she wants.

WEAR A FUCKING CONDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOD DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If thing do not work out simply move on to the next girl who will almost undoubtably present herself to you just like this one did.

FORGET ANY KIND OF ROMANTIC SAPPY ASS BULLSHIT YOU MAY HAVE DREAMED ABOUT THAT STUFF IS SIMPLY A MYTH!!

Advice from a man who has been through it all. Seriously.


I want a full report if things work out.

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I want a full report if things work out.

deal, but i was also looking for a bit more on exactly what to say...

also how to i get her to make the move?

I can't really advise, because 90% of my relationships have been with women who have approached me... hence I now stay clear of women who come to me lol.

I have asked women out, but only once I've got the clear understanding they're ok with me.

So, I guess I would just pick a moment when you both aren't overly busy and simply ask her out for a drink. The last time I did that I wasn't 100% whether she liked me or not, but once I'd asked her she was kinda.... doing the female swooning thing, "What.. me? Go out...? for a drink..? Oh gawwwsh, I'd love to... uh... me?"

How about just striking up a conversation with her just after class. If things are getting in a grove, ask her for a coffee straight away. If you still like her after chating for a bit, then give her a few - BUT GENUINE complements - this llets her know you are a man, and she is a woman. If you get good signals back, ask her on a date BUT have somewhere in mind to go! Art gallery? I found that a good place is somewhere where there is live music and you can dance. This creates physical contact and a fun atmosphere. Personally I took a few salsa lessons so I can twril girls around - it does work (-: Remember, even "good" pick up artists say that it takes at least 8 hours of contact before you go to bed, so don't rush it. Enjoy her company, learn a few interesting fun things (look up Neil Strauss; "The Cube" test, it generates a few laughts).

If the sparks don't fly, then don't push it. Sometimes the chemistry does not work out - remember she will have friends and this gets you into her network, and vice versa her friends will get into your network or friends. This is what its all about HAVING fun.

Remember that HALF of the world are women, so if it does not work out with her, there are lots more fish in the sea, and EVERY woman (like every man) has something magical and super to offer

In case you are all wondering we tried to do things a few times but she works like crazy. As far as I am concerned, if she doesn't have time to spend with me its not worth pursuing the relationship.

When someone is "married" to their work or study its difficult - but she still has urges. What is she studying? Is there a lecture on what she is studying in the city/some famous professor coming to lecture on her topic in a neighbouring university? This way you get "proximity" to her. Then make the journey to the destination fun - maybe make a small detour to a romantic spot?

Well, 2 choices: ask her out on a date before the "friend" stuff starts, or wait for her to make a move. Don't be afraid of rejection, it happens to all of us. As the famous Zen philosopher Yoda said: "Do or Do Not, There is no try"

Yup, as the possible Human yes, "get on with it". Right now you are probably obsessing/thining about her. Make your move, and if it does not work out, move on. Life is short and you need to make the most of it.