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Do Females really want to be dominated and sexually abused?

I don't think they want to be abused. But, dominated? Definitely. One of the premises around BDSM is that one takes all of the control and decisions which relieves the other of responsibility and accountability. Somewhere in every woman is a part that wants to be controlled that finds it sexy when a man tells them what to do. A woman should be feminine and a man should be masculine.

Oh, and I just went and bought the book.

Quote from outdoors

Do Females really want to be dominated and sexually abused?

Perhaps the abnormal ones enjoy it.

Quote from Jonathan Frisch

I don't think they want to be abused. But, dominated? Definitely. One of the premises around BDSM is that one takes all of the control and decisions which relieves the other of responsibility and accountability. Somewhere in every woman is a part that wants to be controlled that finds it sexy when a man tells them what to do. A woman should be feminine and a man should be masculine.

Oh, and I just went and bought the book.

My girlfriend read your post and ask if you could send her the book after you read it

Quote from Richard

My girlfriend read your post and ask if you could send her the book after you read it

It's a kindle book. I'll see if there's a option to lend and PM you to let you know.

Quote from Jonathan Frisch

It's a kindle book. I'll see if there's a option to lend and PM you to let you know.

No lend option. I didn't find it an enjoyable read anyway (the half I did trudge through).

Check out this girl for the role of Anastasia Steele, she's an actress from New York.
...stunning

Fifty Shades of Grey critics slam bondage stereotypes

BDSM advocates say E.L. James's books perpetuate myths about BDSM community

Booksellers recently reported that E.L. James’ erotic trilogy Fifty Shades of Grey accounted for up to 20 per cent of all the print novels sold in the U.S. this spring.
While the series has obviously titillated readers, sex experts and members of the alternative sexual community say the books draw a problematic and unfounded link between sadomasochism and mental illness.
“As a researcher in this area of sexuality, it doesn’t sit well with me,” says Caroline Pukall, director of the Sex Therapy Service in the Department of Psychology at Queen's University in Kingston, Ont.

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Fifty Shades of Grey critics slam bondage stereotypes - Arts & Entertainment - CBC News

Yeah, the BDSM community HATES 50 Shades of Grey because the characters break many generally accepted rules in BDSM circles.

Plus, it started as Twilight fanfiction. Seriously. She first published it on I think fanfiction.net, and took it down when it got popular, so a lot of the plot is lifted from the Twilight series.

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Somewhere in every woman is a part that wants to be controlled that finds it sexy when a man tells them what to do. A woman should be feminine and a man should be masculine.

Probably not every woman. The vast majority however? Definitely.

I borrowed part a comment from a member of syg.com and posted it,the CBC actually let it through.

Could use some thumbs up.


outdoors copied;

Considering all the PC/feminist culture has done to neuter and beta-ize men today – it’s not surprising that a book describing a strong male, submissive female engaging in Dom/sub behavior has become such a hit. It seems to have filled a “need” niche that women have missed out on thanks to feminists.

Ladies – enjoy the book – but if you try later to shame-language me about my erotic desires, expect a scathing lecture on double standards and for me to humiliate you, in public, when you try to berate me

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Quote from Missy-A

Perhaps the abnormal ones enjoy it.

I betcha you would like it.

Quote from outdoors

I borrowed part a comment from a member of syg.com and posted it,the CBC actually let it through.

Could use some thumbs up.

Gave you my thumbs up, but I think that CBC-Pravda will probably take down your comment...

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Gave you my thumbs up, but I think that CBC-Pravda will probably take down your comment...

Wouldn't be the first time,thats for sure.

LOL!

ooohh...I just checked the link that I posted,that is not the site that was intended.


My mistake.


This is where I borrowed the comment from....sorry.


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I don't think they want to be abused. But, dominated? Definitely. One of the premises around ...Somewhere in every woman is a part that wants to be controlled that finds it sexy when a man tells them what to do. A woman should be feminine and a man should be masculine.

Oh, and I just went and bought the book.

Ha, my girlfriend just bought the book, so it will be interested to see what she says about it.

In the meantime, the various posts on this topic beg a few questions. First WHAT is masculine and feminine? We can biologically state that quite obviously, but when it comes to behaviour its more difficult? A woman in a strictly Islamic country who wears a full burka to cover her body and face is being submissive, as it the woman in 50 shades of gray, but this leds to the queston that domination or submission is a SOCIALLY CONDITIONED or social created categories.

Further dominaton and submission have little to do with sexuality or gender - it is a feature of our daily social lives - every day we submit to being taxed, to the law...etc etc. Domination is a power exchange - it happens when we encounter the state, or it is a principle that can be even when we submit to a woman, or submit to the rules on this forum. Or am I confusing the categories of power with that of authority? But what is authority if not a reflection of power?

Thus a man or a woman could take up the role of domination or submission. Is there an automatic link that a woman is submissive? Prove that link? And judging by the West, women there are taking control. So is it "against" nature? Or is it simply what we have been used to.

I am not supporting feminists - but I am pointing out that it seems we are a bit lazy in our thinking and assumptions.

I have yet to see a study that shows women are biologically submissive and men dominant. It would a bit like saying jews are "naturally" drawn towards money, or coloured people are drawn towards drugs "naturally". If we see a coloured drug addict we say "oh poor man he is a victim of circumstance", while a submissive woman is not seen as a victim of circumstance.

OK, I am provoking a bit, but perhaps it sheds light that male=dominant traits and female=submissive traits is a bit simplified and leads us into a simple view of the world which the feminists used against us - and thus win the intellectually arguement. If feminine = submissive then Islamic women would be the most submissive women of all.

Time to get your thinking caps on gentlemen (-:

I haven't read 50 shades, but the mock-up 50 sheds of grey is pretty funny.

https://twitter.com/50shedsofgrey

The 'liberated' woman absolutely loves the submission game. Thay can talk about it at coffee mornings while their husbands are work.

I think that the groundbreaking site takeninhand.com is still in existence - yes it is. It's a good virtual game for women.

The idea is very appealing to (western) women, but only so long as it's just a game. If the sh*t hits the fan, all they have to do is pick up the phone and say, "my husband is abusing me". Then it's "game over".

When men seek dominance they are taught from birth that 'responsibilty' comes with that.

The reverse equation doesn't apply.

When women seek support and protection, for themselves and their offspring, "submission" (to the father/breadwinner) comes with what????

Actually, it doesn't. Because the entire legal and political system is honour-bound to come to their aid - with taxpayer's money. Yeah, Right?

Men are accountable for their actions and women are not. That's a theme that runs through almost every damned article on this site - for year after year.
You name the topic and I'll find the quotes. We know it already. Our forefathers knew it. Why is it suddenly news?

A lot of men are now waking up to the fact that their forefather's pretended dominance was never real. It was a fraud and their ancestors were duped.
Most "modern" women don't really want to shoulder all the responsibilites that men used to have. And take care of the kids too?? That's too much!

For all this social dysfunction, we have to thank feminism.

As the feminists say, the genii will not go back in the bottle. I hope so. It's time for a fresh appraisal.