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I never said that they should have collapsed completely to the ground on the side of impact. I said they should have collapsed towards the side of impact. There are two inherent problems in the official story: 1) That the planes were the cause of the quick and uniform collapse of the buildings and 2) That the planes were the cause of the complete collapse of the buildings. If the buildings had simply partially collapsed towards the side of the point of impact (with the point of impact being the "tree chopping area"), I would have no qualms with the "official" story.

You assert without engineering study or deta that it "shoud have" collapesed toward the impace. But other than uneducated assertions there is no evidence for that.

The WTC had structural damage on one side, but the forces shifted to remaining steel. It didn't just fall over on impact. The video clip you provided shows the airplane impacts and fires. At some point during the fire the steel lost strength and apparently the thin steel floors support trusses let go. The floors are tied across from side to side, and hold the sides in colum. If the floor lets go, it would release BOTH OPPOSITE SIDES at the same time. It may even pull all 4 sides toward the center, out of column, at the same time. Thus, the "straight down" fall argues FOR the engineering analysis. Its an affirmation.

You used a "falling tree" anaogy. But I don't know if you have ever cut down a tree. To get a tree to fall in one direction you have to first cut a notch on the side toward the fall. Then you cut the opposite side above the first cut, leaving a "hinge" in the center. If the tree is hollow, or you don't cut it right, it may in fact fall straight down for a while. Many loggers have been killed when trees did just that, fell straight down. And in fact, that is why Tree Faller is frequently the #1 most dangerous job on the OSHA list of death jobs. Even trees don't always fall "over."

You make the analogies (tree falling) that are neither relevant nor true. You make wild assumptions about how a building might fall without having any engineering studies showing that conclusion. What you have is a burning desire to blame Bush for the work of Al Queda and a great reluctance to believe that a terrorist suicide plot worked as they expected.

Its time to reconsider and wise up. Its time to come to accept the obvious in front of your face. There are great forces to fight. The feminsit war on men confronts us all. Wasting time on spurious conspiracy theories divert energy from real problems. Time to wise up and refucus on the real problems of men.

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You assert without engineering study or deta that it "shoud have" collapesed toward the impace. But other than uneducated assertions there is no evidence for that.

You provide more ad hominem comments than data and facts. What's more, the data you provided proved the point of the video I provided. No other skyscrapers have totally collapsed due to plane crashes or fires.

You used a "falling tree" anaogy. But I don't know if you have ever cut down a tree. To get a tree to fall in one direction you have to first cut a notch on the side toward the fall. Then you cut the opposite side above the first cut, leaving a "hinge" in the center. If the tree is hollow, or you don't cut it right, it may in fact fall straight down for a while. Many loggers have been killed when trees did just that, fell straight down. And in fact, that is why Tree Faller is frequently the #1 most dangerous job on the OSHA list of death jobs. Even trees don't always fall "over."

I would imagine that the opposite side cut makes for a cleaner cut and a safer fall. It is not requisite to have such a cut for the tree to fall in the direction you want. If a vehicle crashes into a tree, the tree (provided the vehicle is large enough, the tree is small enough and the force is hard enough) will fall towards the point of impact, i.e. the vehicle.

You make the analogies (tree falling) that are neither relevant nor true. You make wild assumptions about how a building might fall without having any engineering studies showing that conclusion. What you have is a burning desire to blame Bush for the work of Al Queda and a great reluctance to believe that a terrorist suicide plot worked as they expected.

The tree analogy is a valid, simple example of the basics of physics. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. If a man is punched in the head, he is going to fall down away from the punch. If his legs are kicked out from under him, he is going to fall towards the point of impact. Likewise, if a structure is impacted so that it collapses, it is going to move as if the part of the structure from the point of impact and above is a lever and the point of impact is the fulcrum. Only a building that experiences equal structural compromises around its perimeter and in its core in sequential manner going downwards will fall in a quick and uniform way. Otherwise, its collapse, whether partial or complete, will be chaotic and nonuniform. The TT's fell the former way, not the latter. Do you really think the effect of the planes and burning fuel produced uniform structural weakenesses on the building from the top down?

Bush's burning desire while the Twin Towers were under attack was to read about goats with 2nd graders from the time the world first learned about the attacks, 8:48 am, until 9:16 am. He went into the photo op at 9:00 knowing about the first attack and stayed in the classroom after being told about the 2nd one. He even hung around afterwards chitchatting. He was not surprised or concerned. He should have been whisked away by the Secret Service for his own protection, but he declined that. What's more, the war in Afghanistan was planned before 9/11.

Its time to reconsider and wise up. Its time to come to accept the obvious in front of your face. There are great forces to fight. The feminsit war on men confronts us all. Wasting time on spurious conspiracy theories divert energy from real problems. Time to wise up and refucus on the real problems of men.

Feminism is just one part of the war we face. The war is much bigger than just that one issue. History, science and logic are all on the side of those who study conspiracies.

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Bob



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Re: 9-11 and 7-7 were both inside jobs.

AKUUS, with all due respect, please learn how to use the quote tag. I can't talk to you when it's so difficult to parse out your words from the words of the person you're quoting.


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AKUUS, with all due respect, please learn how to use the quote tag. I can't talk to you when it's so difficult to parse out your words from the words of the person you're quoting.

Whenever I write inside of someone else's quote, I write in bold print. My paragraphs are in bold print, and bob's are in regular print.



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Re: 9-11 and 7-7 were both inside jobs.

This statement by George Herbert Walker Bush is PRIOR to 9-11 however, it gives a good insight into the mindset of this evil family


George Herbert Walker Bush stated:
"If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched."


Source: June, 1992 Sarah McClendon Newsletter.


Bearing in mind that we do not lynch people for giving too much money to good charitable causes or for helping too many old ladies across busy streets.


This prompts the question, “What was it that they had done that was so bad, that had the people known what they had done, then the people would of chased them down the street and lynched them ?”






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Re: 9-11 and 7-7 were both inside jobs.

Are these more "uneducated assertions"?

Government-Funded Investigators Accused Of WTC Cover-UpGovernment-Funded Investigators Accused Of WTC Cover-Up American Society of Civil Engineers lied about inability of skyscrapers to withstand airliner ...
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...architectural drawings of the World Trade Center that prove beyond any doubt that the official reports into the collapse of the towers misrepresented their construction were used by the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) during their study, but not before they had signed legal documents which bound them to secrecy and demanded that they never use the information against the buildings' owners as part of a lawsuit.The detailed architectural drawings make clear what official reports have apparently attempted to hide: that the Twin Towers had massive core columns, and those columns ran most of the height of each Tower before transitioning to columns with smaller cross-sections. These facts were buried in the FEMA-funded ASCE report and contradictory conclusions were offered despite the fact that the group had access to the diagrams.
Numerous different World Trade Center designers and construction specialists are on record as having ruled out the possibility that multiple commercial jetliner impacts could bring the towers down. Such comments were made on a regular basis ever since the towers were first conceived and built.
A February 3, 1964 white paper which was written during the design phase of the towers stated, "The buildings have been investigated and found to be safe in an assumed collision with a large jet airliner (Boeing 707 DC 8) traveling at 600 miles per hour. Analysis indicates that such collision would result in only local damage which could not cause collapse or substantial damage to the building and would not endanger the lives and safety of occupants not in the immediate area of impact."
During a 1984-85 Office of Special Planning study into the vulnerability of the WTC to a terrorist attack, Leslie Robertson, one of the two original structural engineers for the World Trade Center, assured investigators that whether the towers suffered a bomb attack or were hit by an airplane, there was "little likelihood of a collapse no matter how the building was attacked."

A February 27 1993 Seattle Times article entitled Twin Towers Engineered To Withstand Jet Collision quotes John Skilling, head structural engineerfor the WTC.
"We looked at every possible thing we could think of that could happen to the buildings, even to the extent of an airplane hitting the side," said Skilling.
"Our analysis indicated the biggest problem would be the fact that all the fuel (from the airplane) would dump into the building. There would be a horrendous fire. A lot of people would be killed," he said. "The building structure would still be there."
In a telling afterthought, Skilling said that the only way the building could be brought down was by means of well-placed explosives rigged by top experts.
"I would imagine that if you took the top expert in that type of work and gave him the assignment of bringing these buildings down with explosives, I would bet that he could do it," he said.
In 2001, Leslie Robertson again stated, "The twin towers were in fact the first structures outside the military and nuclear industries designed to resist the impact of a jet airplane."...

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Also in early 2001, , "The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door -- this intense grid -- and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting."




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