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    Youtube exchange with a feminist

    So, a few months ago, I viewed some sort of feministic content, to which a 20-year-old girl had replied. I can't remember the exact nature of which, but I disliked her reply, and so, with little time on my hands, simply commented, "you are an idiot" on her profile. Two weeks or so ago, and a while after the said comment, I received the following reply:

    "oh, that's really interesting. any reason for such a callous judgement, or are you too inarticulate to share it..? "

    And since, our exchanges have gone like this (hers in italics, mine in bold (No jokes, if you please...)):

    Are you a feminist? If so, that's why I said it; being as it was over two months ago, I can't remember.........

    oh wow. just wow.

    I'll let you in on a secret. if you look up feminist in the dictionary (I'm not sure you're skilled enough to open one though, being that instead of coming up with a counter-argument of any description to whatever it was I said which offended you so, you elected to write "you are an idiot" on my wall- props on the thought-provoking insult there, really burned) it simply refers to any individual who believes in equal rights and opportunities for men and women, in domestic/financial matters etc.

    so am I one of those complete nutters who believes in equality? why yes I am!
    clearly you are not. I guess that makes you... a bigot? chauvenist? would you prefer some less technical terminology for ease of digestion? dickweed? cunt? anything'll do, you get the idea.

    any time you feel like googling your way to a mildly intelligent response, I'll be most interested to hear the justifications fro your fascinatingly ignorant viewpoint.

    good to see another feminist pointing me to the dictionary definition of 'feminism', which in truth has no bearing on feminism, as a practice, at all. How about I add some more structure, to the debate: you tell me what things you consider to be sexist against women in the western world, and what things you consider to be sexist against men.



    You're kind of hilarious.

    I'd respond to your second point directly, only IT MAKES NO SENSE. how exactly would the definition of feminism have no bearing on feminism? that's absolutely ridiculous. it's like saying the definition of socialism has no bearing on socialism, you fucking tool.

    I'll respond to part of it anyway. though I have NO idea why you're specifically requesting examples from the western cultures, how is geography relevant here? did I ever specify that the things I find most offensive are specifically located in the western world, no. I'm guessing you meant to argue that feminism shouldn't exist in the west. shockingly enough, you're misinformed......




    captainapathy01 (20 hours ago)
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    how about the fact that in the UK, 1 in 3 women will face physical or sexual abuse at the hands of a partner in her lifetime? maybe the fact that 85% of domestic violence is perpetrated by men against women (again a UK statistic)? not fussed? perhaps the fact that women are supremely under-represented not only in large companies and organisations, but also in government and local councils?

    try and respond with something that actually makes cohesive sense and is a halfway convincing argument if you can, you ignorant shit.




    captainapathy01 (20 hours ago)
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    and I'm not aware of any solid principles, conventions or laws which are sexist against men.
    I suppose the only argument anyone could come up with is that it's easier for a woman to gain custody of a child than a man, perhaps that's fair considering the domestic abuse statistic I earlier cited.

    Please, quit with your uncited 'statistics'; either provide sources to back up your claims, or shut the fuck up. Making ridiculous, bullshit claims to back up your bigotry doesn't wash with me, sweetheart.

    the dictionary definition is as it is, because feminists CLAIM to be for equality. However, I don't go on claims; I go on ACTIONS. And feminist action invariably promotes an idea of female supremacy.

    I say the 'western world', because in, say, the middle east, I won't deny that women can have it bad; and also, because that's where feminists I come in contact with, come from, and concentrate their efforts. As for women being underrepresented, in top positions, well, yes; as is inevitable, given that women's careers, ON AVERAGE are shorter than men's, due to taking lengthy career breaks, to raise children. That's not employer discrimination; that's the inevitable result of women's CHOICES to do so. If ANYONE takes a career break, for ANY reason, that will tend to be the result. You can't credit employers with experience they don't have.

    Perhaps you could answer me this: if women would work with the same producitvity, and the same AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE, for LESS pay than MEN, why would anyone employ men, in the first place?! By feministic logic, top businesses are all run by crazy idiots, who want to make their labour costs unnecessarily high (and, by extension, profits unnecessarily low). In a free market, this CANNOT be happening; any employer who would make their costs so unncessarily high, simply would not survive, and would lose out to competitors. Anyone who actually has even a basic understanding of business and economics, can see this.

    Oh, and before you accuse me of being some traditionalist, who thinks women should look after kids, and men work, FAR FROM IT. I would happily take on the role of full-time father, because, contrary to what feminists say, being a full-time parent is NOT degrading, but rewarding. And what would be the flip-side of the coin? I would earn less, in the short-term and the long-term; just as a woman doing the same would, gender irrelevant. I wouldn't then bitch at how I wasn't earning as much as others who hadn't taken career breaks, as feminism effectively does, by arguing about the wage gap.


    So, that's how it looks, so far. Apologies for the sloppy/inconsistent pasting, but I have rushed this post. Being as my time online is limited, I haven't had time to write as extensive replies as I would have liked, to her. Anyone who can suggest other things to say and sources, or who wishes to friend request me (dyslexicbanana) and join in the debate, I'd much-appreciate it.
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    Re: Youtube exchange with a feminist

    Kudos, DB. I've taken some time here and there to point out feminist hypocrisies on some prominent Dutch forums and there is one particular feminist twat I've literally been argueing with quite awhile and to be honest, these people frustrate me to no end. Their uncompromising bigotry borders on absolute retardation. They dismiss EVERYTHING you say, backed up with logic, facts and empiric evidence without even dismantling everything you say. Just a 'your talking nonsense' or 'I don't agree!' and then continue vomitting irrational rubbish and occasionaly cherrypick a biassed piece of 'evidence'. Their self-reighteousness is second to none; they are 'true believers' in every sense of the word.

    If I have sufficient time and energy on my hands, I might lend you a hand and help out there on youtube.

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    Re: Youtube exchange with a feminist

    Great job. I bet at this point that she either quits responding or more likly she will respond with even crazier claims.

    Kepp up the pressure if she responds. Feminists always crack under logical argument and facts.
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    Kepp up the pressure if she responds. Feminists always crack under logical argument and facts.
    i am preparing to watch the "arguing with a feminist",you-tube vid.


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    Re: Youtube exchange with a feminist

    Poking folks in the eye with a sharp stick (calling them an 'idiot') is likely to get such an antagonistic result. Perhaps that was your intent.

    But at least you redeemed the idiocy of your inital salvo by aiming better in your subsequent posts. Good for you DB.
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    Re: Youtube exchange with a feminist

    I'm not aware of any solid principles, conventions or laws which are sexist against men.


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    Re: Youtube exchange with a feminist

    For users of 'Youtube', here is the link to my profile, on which the debate is taking place (as well as on her profile): YouTube - ‪. As I say, it's easy to participate, not even any need for a friend request, although if anyone wishes to friend request me, so much the better. It's just my online time, as I say, is at present SOMEWHAT limited, hence I don't have the time to do the topic quite as much justice as I could otherwise.

    Here is a quick update on a couple more points I've added:

    You know, it's really quite hilarious, how feminists claim that they don't dislike men, and how they believe men and women to be equal. This is their CLAIM, this is in accordance with the dictionary definition of 'feminism'. However, their actions don't correspond at all with this definition, as you prove perfectly. One moment, you claim we're equal, no hatred in the equation at all; the next, it's "men commit 85% of domestic violence", "1 in 3 women are abused by their partners", and it very soon becomes apparent that you're painting a very negative picture indeed of men, and that, given that feminists continually deny or excuse bad female behaviour, they clearly believe females to be superior, at least morally, to males.

    The feminist argument-path is so predictable: they claim they're for equality, that they don't hate men, and hence anyone against them is 'misogynistic'; they then spout wild, UNSUBSTANTIATED 'statistics', that anyone with half a brain should realise are rubbish, that paint men in far worse a light than women (thus, already contradicting their claims of believing in male/female equality), without providing a source for which (spare the odd FEMINIST 'study' (er, no bias there, then!)). Thus, despite the claims being wild, despite them being uncited, they accuse anyone of disputing them, to be 'misogynistic', and hence one basically has to be misandric, on order not to be 'misogynistic'. They then use the said 'statistics', to justify discrimination against men (i.e. your supporting men rarely gaining custody to their own children, because of the hilariously-absurd '1-in-3' statistic.


    Thanks for the replies, and I'll try to respond to which, when I have more time. Hopefully see some of you on there.
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    Re: Youtube exchange with a feminist

    friend request sent


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    Re: Youtube exchange with a feminist

    Well, well, well, after leaving the below replies, the trollop deleted my replies from her profile, and banned me from commenting; so typical, hey?




    captainapathy01 (12 hours ago)
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    fucking pathetic. get a grip.



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    richard h hobbins- global problems and the culture of capitalism
    the double dividend of gender equality - UN children's fund 2006
    sex and power 2008 - report by the equality and human rights commission
    shaping a fairer future - women and work commission 2008
    domestic violence FAQ factsheet - womens aid 2009
    rape: the fact - the fawcett society (anything by them is good)
    woirk and care: a study of modern parents - yougov 2009
    the political economy of the global sex trade - s jeffreys
    anything by the centre for reproductive rights



    captainapathy01 (12 hours ago)
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    I'd love to see some of your sources. you know, the ones which disprove the things in the reports are read. you know, those things... oh yeah, facts. I'd love to see your mystical sources which somehow disprove proven, categorical facts. very intrigued.



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    career length is completely irrelevant, so well done. when people refer to the pay gay they're talking about a man and woman of the same skill set and qualifications being paid less, obviously. youre not comparing a woman who ends her career at maternity leave to a man who's worked up until retirement age.



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    I absolutely love how you prove me right in every argument you attempt to make. Yes, you're exactly right, feminists hate child-bearing, and they think that anyone who devotes their life to raising a child is a failure as a human being, OH WAIT YOU'RE COMPLETELY WRONG, WHAT A SHOCK.

    the feminist view point is that women should not be pressured into raising children. it should be a level playing field, it should not be assumed that a woman will either give up her career, or never aspire to have one, because she's expected to stay at home and raise the kids while daddy's bringing home the bacon. if you think there's as many children raised mainly by their father as there are raised by their mother, again- READ SOMETHING. society pressures women into this role. it's tradition. I've never met a feminist who thinks being a stay-at-home parent is an unworthy profession, IF the parent has made that decision, and feel fulfilled by that role alone. ridiculous argument.
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